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[Mwanzi1]

"Bandari yao ina deep water tofauti na mombasa au lamu, ukiwa na deep water port unaweza kuingiza na kutoa meli kwa masaa 24"

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Kwahiyo unataka kusema, kama Mombasa au Lama wakipata siku wakawa na rough sea wave of 20m high (which happen at certain time of the year) kazi itaendelea bila shida. I tell you, moja ya sababu bomba la mafuta kupelekwa Tanga na sio Mombasa ni uwezo wa meli kubeba mafuta all year round, wakati Mombasa wangeweza kufanya kazi hiyo for only 9 month of the year.

 

[Mwanzi1]

Jomba!...forget that incoherent buffoon!

When faeces turn to be a modern warfare.

 

[Itzmusacmb]

Tuliza mapumbu weeee!!, vipi mama ntilie hawajakuandalia ubwabwa hapo kitaa??

Kmbe ww unaandaliwa wali? Njoo nikuandae n mm

 

[Kafrican]

Ukirudi juu utaona nilisema wave leath ndio inachangia kupata meli nyingi na sio the depth of the port, kunawakati Mombasa inashindwa kuingiza meli because ya wave is too much. Unafikiri kwanini pirates wa kisomali wanaweza kwenda deep sea na viboti vidogo, ni kwasababu bahari ya gulf of Aden imetulia.

Port ya mombasa (Just like port ya Dar) ni inlet extending au ria , kwahivyo mawimbi yanatolewa makali meli inapokaribia habour pale kilindini, kwahivyo hakuna tofauti wa wave strength na ya dgibouti, zote ziko calm relatively, shida labda iwe wakati maji yanarudi meli ikisimama bila nanga inavutwa na maji kurudi baharini, lakini hio ni shida a kawaida

Kilindini Harbour - Wikipedia

 

[Mwanzi1]

Port ya mombasa (Just like port ya Dar) ni inlet extending au ria , kwahivyo mawimbi yanatolewa makali meli inapokaribia habour pale kilindini, kwahivyo hakuna tofauti wa wave strength na ya dgibouti, zote ziko calm relatively, shida labda iwe wakati maji yanarudi meli ikisimama bila nanga inavutwa na maji kurudi baharini, lakini hio ni shida a kawaida

Kilindini Harbour - Wikipedia


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This is were Tanga port comes in and Djibouti port also, these port respectively are shield by other objects at the sea, Tanga wanazuiwa na Pemba island, na Djibouti wanazuiwa na Gulf of Aden. Ukiwa na hiyo shield bahari yako inakuwa na mawimbi kidogo kitu ambacho unaweza hata kuweka meli katikati ya maji na ukapakia na kupakuwa.(sio lazima ije bandarini all you need is a floting dock)

 

[Mwanzi1]

Port ya mombasa (Just like port ya Dar) ni inlet extending au ria , kwahivyo mawimbi yanatolewa makali meli inapokaribia habour pale kilindini, kwahivyo hakuna tofauti wa wave strength na ya dgibouti, zote ziko calm relatively, shida labda iwe wakati maji yanarudi meli ikisimama bila nanga inavutwa na maji kurudi baharini, lakini hio ni shida a kawaida

Kilindini Harbour - Wikipedia


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PS: i can see what your saying that kilindini is inside Mombasa, lakini tatizo linakuja pale meli inapotaka kuingia kilindini au kutoka. Kama bahari imechafuka, itabidi wasubiri mapaka ikae sawa ndio waendelee na shughuli zao. Wakati bandari ya Djibouti na Tanga wao haitaji kusubiri. Hili tatizo litawakuja hata kwa Somalia siku wakiacha kucheza na vita yao wakaanzisha bandari. Na Djibouti imeliona hilo ndio maana wanajaribu to milk every opportunity which comes their way, from air to rail to shipping.

 

[Kafrican]

PS: i can see what your saying that kilindini is inside Mombasa, lakini tatizo linakuja pale meli inapotaka kuingia kilindini au kutoka. Kama bahari imechafuka, itabidi wasubiri mapaka ikae sawa ndio waendelee na shughuli zao. Wakati bandari ya Djibouti na Tanga wao haitaji kusubiri. Hili tatizo litawakuja hata kwa Somalia siku wakiacha kucheza na vita yao wakaanzisha bandari. Na Djibouti imeliona hilo ndio maana wanajaribu to milk every opportunity which comes their way, from air to rail to shipping.

Sasa nimeshakuonyesha Mombasa port imekingwa Na we bado Una insist kutakua Na tatizo bahari ikichafuka...... Kumbuka pia pale pale Kuna ferry za likoni ambazo Hua ziko karibu Na bahari kuu yenyewe, ferry Hua ziko Na flat surface kwahivyo hazipendi mawimbi Na mi sijawahi sikia eti ferry za Mombasa zimesmamishwa sababu eti mawimbi makali.... Maji pale ndani ya kilindini Hua yametulia, infact Mombasa port uko Na portable crane ya kushusha Na kupakia mizigo kwa meli zengine bila kutia nanga

Kama mulikua mnategemea mazingira tu basi itabidi mrudi kwa meza mjipange tena, port ya Mombasa ilikua natural habour tangu enzi za waarabu Na akina Vasco dagama.... Mwaka uliooita ilipakua tani millioni 26, mwaka wa 2018 inatarajiwa kupiku south Africa kwa mizigo inayopitia bandari mwake hapa Africa.... Kisha kulingana Na takwimu za majuzi bandari ya Mombasa ilivunja rekodi kwa mda unaochukuliwa kwa meli kuwasili,kushusha mzigo Na kuanza safari (turn around time) inachukua siku tatu pekee wakati recommended average Hua Ni siku tatu masaa mawili kwahivyo Mombasa uko bora kushinda hio Djibouti yako ambayo Hua inachukua hadi wiki mbili kwenda mbele

 

[Kafrican]

Ama ukisema bahari ikichafuka unamaanisha Kama tsunami vile? Manake Kama Ni mawimbi ya kawaida, meli na madau hayawezi kushindwa kuingia pale kilindini, KPA wamehakikisha wako Na madereva wa kutosha, meli ikifika karibu Na Mombasa, dereva Mkenya Hua anaingia ndani ya meli Na kuingiza mkondo wa kilindini mwenyewe

 

[Mwanzi1]

Sasa nimeshakuonyesha Mombasa port imekingwa Na we bado Una insist kutakua Na tatizo bahari ikichafuka...... Kumbuka pia pale pale Kuna ferry za likoni ambazo Hua ziko karibu Na bahari kuu yenyewe, ferry Hua ziko Na flat surface kwahivyo hazipendi mawimbi Na mi sijawahi sikia eti ferry za Mombasa zimesmamishwa sababu eti mawimbi makali.... Maji pale ndani ya kilindini Hua yametulia, infact Mombasa port uko Na portable crane ya kushusha Na kupakia mizigo kwa meli zengine bila kutia nanga

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Kama mulikua mnategemea mazingira tu basi itabidi mrudi kwa meza mjipange tena, port ya Mombasa ilikua natural habour tangu enzi za waarabu Na akina Vasco dagama.... Mwaka uliooita ilipakua tani millioni 26, mwaka wa 2018 inatarajiwa kupiku south Africa kwa mizigo inayopitia bandari mwake hapa Africa.... Kisha kulingana Na takwimu za majuzi bandari ya Mombasa ilivunja rekodi kwa mda unaochukuliwa kwa meli kuwasili,kushusha mzigo Na kuanza safari (turn around time) inachukua siku tatu pekee wakati recommended average Hua Ni siku tatu masaa mawili kwahivyo Mombasa uko bora kushinda hio Djibouti yako ambayo Hua inachukua hadi wiki mbili kwenda mbele

Nimeimba weeee mpaka nachoka, mnabisha visivyo bishika. soma gazeti ya kwenu

How Kenya lost Uganda pipeline deal

This is the same situation with Djibouti, they have the same opportunity of calm ocean not calm port. Wewe unaangalia Kilindini tuu unaona maji yamepowa, toka nje ya hiyo alleyway ya kilindini into Indian ocean. kama unaweza kusimamisha meli kwenye maji ya indian ocean na utowe mzigo kwenye meli uweke kwenye flotting dock, uweze kuleta huo mzigo ndani ya Mombasa kwa meli zingine ndogo. Lakini Djibouti wanaweza hata kubeba mzigo au kushusha wakiwa ndani ya bahari because of the shield they get from Gulf of Aden. Inawasaidia hata hawana haja ya kuwa na beth nyingi bandarini, same will happen with Tanga or Bagamoyo because of the weather protection from Zanzibar islands.

 

[Sahani20]

Meas your BOT is low

Kenya also imports more than Ethiopia

 

[Livale]

For a ship to offload and load it's wares, it needs calm waters. Mombasa, tanga, Djibouti all have that after it's through with the port business, whether it immediately enters rough oceans as is with mombasa or goes through a small patch of calm ocean as is with Djibouti doesn't matter. This is because it won't be loading or offload anything mid-sea, na bado ikitoka kwa that small sheltered waters patch itaingia tu kwa rough ocean.

 

[Juakali1980]

 

[Kafrican]

Nimeimba weeee mpaka nachoka, mnabisha visivyo bishika. soma gazeti ya kwenu

How Kenya lost Uganda pipeline deal

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This is the same situation with Djibouti, they have the same opportunity of calm ocean not calm port. Wewe unaangalia Kilindini tuu unaona maji yamepowa, toka nje ya hiyo alleyway ya kilindini into Indian ocean. kama unaweza kusimamisha meli kwenye maji ya indian ocean na utowe mzigo kwenye meli uweke kwenye flotting dock, uweze kuleta huo mzigo ndani ya Mombasa kwa meli zingine ndogo. Lakini Djibouti wanaweza hata kubeba mzigo au kushusha wakiwa ndani ya bahari because of the shield they get from Gulf of Aden. Inawasaidia hata hawana haja ya kuwa na beth nyingi bandarini, same will happen with Tanga or Bagamoyo because of the weather protection from Zanzibar islands.

There are two different things you have been talking about without necessarily realizing, You have been talking about general cargo(In containers) and oil..... there is cargo coming in and the posibility of crude oil from ug going out, now it is highly unlikely that any port would want to load/offload oil on an oil tanker which is at sea!!!!!!, the oil tanker will have to come to the birth where there is an oil pipeline tap, which as far as Mombasa is concerned, wont be affected by wind/tides as shown before, the Kipevu Oil Terminal is well inside the inlet

Kama ni ku offload cargo, inside that inlet which shields it from strong tides, there is plenty of space for a floating dock to offload cargo, A ship wont take that long to get inside that inlet as oppossed to offloading cargo from the high seas as you sujjesting, hata dakika 30 inatosha kuingiza meli ndani .

Ukiangalia hizi picha mbili utaona kuna nafasi ya kutosha hapo ndani, meli kubwa zaidi ya hata tano zinaweza toshelea bila shida

angalia hapo kwa background kuna meli karibu nne, so a floating dock can fit hapo bila shida..... (Mombasa iko na 24Hr/365 service BTW)

Alafu kitu chengine, the reason why you would need a floating dock itakua ni kama hauna nafasi ya kutosha, Mombasa iko na 21 berths, hata hakuna haja ya floating dock....... Lamu itakua na 32 berths!!!! why would you need a floating dock when you have plenty of berths..


Alafu hio ya Lamu port, is it really not shielded? wind can get through because the island is not hich enough, but can tides really get through and still have enough momentum to really affect shipping

where the Lamu port would be

Even if Lamu was not shielded, this is 21st century there are plenty engineering arcitectures of building a stable port/berth space of the oceah by shielding the port/birth space from strong tides, Just look at dubai palm islands, they have plenty of shielding from strong tides, If the Al-burj hotel is a skyscrapper built in the ocean! where there are strong winds and tides, what about a low leveled port?

look at these port designs from namibia,Oman.. they have all been build in such a way they are shielded form strong waves

Here is another point of veiw, Itachukua mda mfupi zaidi kwa meli yoyote kutoka bara Asia au magharibi kubipia red seal kuingia ndani ya Lamu, Kuliko mombasa, vile vile inachukua mda/wakati/na umbali mfupi meli kuingia ndani ya mombasa kuliko kwenda tanga na kukingwa na wawimbi.... Kwahivyo hata Tanga ikiwa na floating docks ngapi zenye ziko bahari ya tanga, bado itakua ni heri kuingia ndani ya inlet ya Mombasa au Lamu (ambapo ndo utapata kinga) kuliko kusafiri hadi Tanga

 

[Mwanzi1]

There are two different things you have been talking about without necessarily realizing, You have been talking about general cargo(In containers) and oil..... there is cargo coming in and the posibility of crude oil from ug going out, now it is highly unlikely that any port would want to load/offload oil on an oil tanker which is at sea!!!!!!, the oil tanker will have to come to the birth where there is an oil pipeline tap, which as far as Mombasa is concerned, wont be affected by wind/tides as shown before, the Kipevu Oil Terminal is well inside the inlet]

haha Kafican huu mchuzi mbona watokea jana, haujaoza tuu, au unataka kunilisha sumu, I know kenya's vile wanawakarisha chai Watanzania huku wanaweka sumu ya panya kama sukari haha.

Okay jokes aside, maybe your right, labda tulikuwa tunaongea vitu tofauti. But my argument is, when the monsoon season start the wave which is been swept from China to India to East Africa affects the operational of the ports like Mombasa and Lamu and Somalia. Hii inatokea every year kutokea December mpaka March April time. Moja ya Sababu ya Total kutaka kujenga their ternimal in Tanga was this, that they will only be able to bring their ships safely and on time for only nine mouth in a year. Hii inatokana kama bahari ikichafuka kwa monsoon weather. Tanga or Djibouti wao hawata kuwa affected. Na ujuwe sio kama the whole season ya Moonson bandari ya Mombasa haitumiki, there bad days and not so bad days. lakini kwa watu ambao they want to make money they don't want to hear anything called BAD DAY. So kama vile mungu amepanga, Djibout and Tanga wana advantage ya kuzuia hali mbaya ya hewa kuliko Kenya na Somalia kwa upande wa East Africa.

 

[Ian Cruz]

Kenyan, a land of possibilities and opportunities!! God bless Kenya!

 

[Lwiva]

Kenya lipo kutoka Mombasa hadi Eldoret. Tanzania lipo wapi?

Toka dar to Zambia bomba la tazama

 

[Tim Choice]

Nadhani hukuelewa nilichokuwa nasema, Djibouti ni tishio kwa Mombasa na Lamu, kwasababu iko Afrika na ipo karibu na nchi za kiarabu na nchi za ulaya. Kwasababu wako Afrika na Afrika ndio kwenye rasilimali nyingi, Djibouti walisha amuwa kubadili nchi yao kuwa the biggest logisic center ya Afrika. Hii sio tishio kwa kenya peke yake, ni tishio kwa Dubai, Istambul na Cairo. Wameanza kupanuwa airline yao, wachina wanajenga naval base ya kwanza nje ya China. Wamesha jenga reli mpaka Addis Ababa, wanajenga bomba la mafuta kwenda Ethiopia wakitegemea kulifikisha Sudan kusini. bandari yao ni deep water tofauti na Mombasa au Lamu, ukiwa na deep water port, unaweza kuingiza meli na kutoa msaa 24.

Alamsiki!,

Weye ndiye hukuelewa chochote kwenye bandiko langu...hao wote uliowataja sijui,nchi za ulaya na Arabuni si chochote mbele ya mchina pamoja na hela zote alizonazo na idadi ya watu, mwenye kuunga moja kwa moja na CHINA ndiye atakayeshinda.
Vipi weye wanitajia watu wameshatetereka kiuchumi tena miaka mingi iliyopita ,ambao hata idadi ya watu wao inadidimia na imesha futika kabisa.....hawana consuming power wala population tena...hao wazungu wa ulaya pamoja na waarabu.
China ndiye mziki wote wee jamaa!
Hao Djibouti hata wakiunganisha njia yao kuu kule Arabuni na Ulaya bado sifuri tu!

 

[Mwanzi1]

Alamsiki!,

Weye ndiye hukuelewa chochote kwenye bandiko langu...hao wote uliowataja sijui,nchi za ulaya na Arabuni si chochote mbele ya mchina pamoja na hela zote alizonazo na idadi ya watu, mwenye kuunga moja kwa moja na CHINA ndiye atakayeshinda.
Vipi weye wanitajia watu wameshatetereka kiuchumi tena miaka mingi iliyopita ,ambao hata idadi ya watu wao inadidimia na imesha futika kabisa.....hawana consuming power wala population tena...hao wazungu wa ulaya pamoja na waarabu.
China ndiye mziki wote wee jamaa!
Hao Djibouti hata wakiunganisha njia yao kuu kule Arabuni na Ulaya bado sifuri tu!

Sasa wewe kijana, unafikiri wachina watakaa tuu na wewe uje uchukue kilicho ndani bila kukupa stop. Hakuna nchi iliyo protective of their internal Market like China. Ethiopia inafuatia kwa kulinda masoko yake. Kila mtu anatamani kuweka pesa yake hiko lakini wanakutana na mageti makali ya protectionlisim. Kumbuka kilicho ongelewa kwenye uzi huo ni jinsi Djibouti imepania kuchukuwa soko la logistics kwenye horn of Africa (and Djibouti ni nchi ya Afrika). Wewe unazungumzia waarabu na wachina, usijidanganye kama economy ya waarabu na Turkey zimeshuka kwasababu ya population decline, kumbuka kwamba wao bado wameshikilia pesa ya dunia kwa hivi sasa. Wanaweza kukununuwa wewe na familia yako yote ukaishi huko, jina na dini waka kubadilisha kama wale wakimbiaji wa Kenya walio huko na majina mapya.

 

[Tim Choice]

Sasa wewe kijana, unafikiri wachina watakaa tuu na wewe uje uchukue kilicho ndani bila kukupa stop. Hakuna nchi iliyo protective of their internal Market like China. Ethiopia inafuatia kwa kulinda masoko yake. Kila mtu anatamani kuweka pesa yake hiko lakini wanakutana na mageti makali ya protectionlisim. Kumbuka kilicho ongelewa kwenye uzi huo ni jinsi Djibouti imepania kuchukuwa soko la logistics kwenye horn of Africa (and Djibouti ni nchi ya Afrika). Wewe unazungumzia waarabu na wachina, usijidanganye kama economy ya waarabu na Turkey zimeshuka kwasababu ya population decline, kumbuka kwamba wao bado wameshikilia pesa ya dunia kwa hivi sasa. Wanaweza kukununuwa wewe na familia yako yote ukaishi huko, jina na dini waka kubadilisha kama wale wakimbiaji wa Kenya walio huko na majina mapya.

Mimi sinunuliwi na hela ewe zumbekuku la kitanganyika!....eti nikabadilishwe jina na dini, mimi simo kwenye hizo dini zenyu za kipumbavu mlizoaminishana wanadamu afadhali hata hayawani........nonesense!
Kajiuze mwenyewe kwa hao waarabu wako pamoja na familia yako ,kalb wahed!

 

[Mwanzi1]

Mimi sinunuliwi na hela ewe zumbekuku la kitanganyika!....eti nikabadilishwe jina na dini, mimi simo kwenye hizo dini zenyu za kipumbavu mlizoaminishana wanadamu afadhali hata hayawani........nonesense!
Kajiuze mwenyewe kwa hao waarabu wako pamoja na familia yako ,kalb wahed!

Sikujuwa kama umeshaanza kujifunza kiarabu, mpaka matusi ya kiarabu unayajua (kelb waheed) your halfway there. Inshallah Sheikh Tim Choice