IS THE JESUS EXISTENCE A FRAUD?

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Jesus's Story Is An Obvious Rehashing Of Numerous Previous Characters

Perhaps even more compelling is the story of Christ himself. As it turns out it's not even remotely original. It is instead nothing more than a collection of bits and pieces from dozens of other stories that came long before. Here are some examples.

  1. Asklepios healed the sick, raised the dead, and was known as the savior and redeemer.
  2. Hercules was born of a divine father and mortal mother and was known as the savior of the world. Prophets foretold his birth and claimed he would be a king, which started a search by a leader who wanted to kill him. He walked on water and told his mother, "Don't cry, I'm going to heaven." when he died. As he passed he said, "It is finished."
  3. Dionysus was literally the "Son of God", was born of a virgin mother, and was commonly depicted riding a donkey. He healed the sick and turned water to wine. He was killed but was resurrected and became immortal. His greatest accomplishment was his own death, which delivers humanity itself.
  4. Osiris did the same things. He was born of a virgin, was considered the first true king of the people, and when he died he rose from the grave and went to heaven.
  5. Osiris's son, Horus, was known as the "light of the world", "The good shepherd", and "the lamb". He was also referred to as, "The way, the truth, and the life." His symbol was a cross.
  6. Mithra's birthday was celebrated on the 25th of December, his birth was witnessed by local shepherds who brought him gifts, had 12 disciples, and when he was done on earth he had a final meal before going up to heaven. On judgment day he'll return to pass judgment on the living and the dead. The good will go to heaven, and the evil will die in a giant fire. His holiday is on Sunday (he's the Sun God). His followers called themselves "brothers", and their leaders "fathers". They had baptism and a meal ritual where symbolic flesh and blood were eaten. Heaven was in the sky, and hell was below with demons and sinners.
  7. Krishna had a miraculous conception that wise men were able to come to because they were guided by a star. After he was born an area ruler tried to have him found and killed. His parents were warned by a divine messenger, however, and they escaped and was met by shepherds. The boy grew up to be the mediator between God and man.
  8. Buddha's mother was told by an angel that she'd give birth to a holy child destined to be a savior. As a child he teaches the priests in his temple about religion while his parents look for him. He starts his religious career at roughly 30 years of age and is said to have spoken to 12 disciples on his deathbed. One of the disciples is his favorite, and another is a traitor. He and his disciples abstain from wealth and travel around speaking in parables and metaphors. He called himself "the son of man" and was referred to as, "prophet", "master", and "Lord". He healed the sick, cured the blind and deaf, and he walked on water. One of his disciples tried to walk on water as well but sunk because his faith wasn't strong enough.
  9. Apollonius of Tyana (a contemporary of Jesus) performed countless miracles (healing sick and crippled, restored sight, casted out demons, etc.) His birth was of a virgin, foretold by an angel. He knew scripture really well as a child. He was crucified, rose from the dead and appeared to his disciples to prove his power before going to heaven to sit at the right hand of the father. He was known as, "The Son of God".
THE STORY OF MOSES

MOSES

Moses is known as the Law-Giver, the giver of the Ten Commandments, the Mosaic Law. However, the idea of a Law being passed from God to a prophet on a mountain is also a very old motif. Moses is just a Lawgiver in a LONG line of Lawgivers in Mythological History.

MANU

In India, Manu was the great Lawgiver.


MINOS

In Crete, Minos ascended Mount Dicta, where Zeus gave him the Sacred Laws.

MISES

In Egypt there was Mises, who carried stone tablets and upon them the Laws of god were written. As far as the Ten Commandments, they are taken outright from Spell 125 of the Egyptian Book of the Dead. What the Book of the Dead phrased “I have not stolen”, became “Thou shall not steal.” “I have not killed”, became “Thou shall not kill.” “I have not told lies” became “Thou shall not bear false witness”, and so forth.

Mmh!!!minos,mises….moses

NOAH’S FLOOD Vs GILGAMESH FLOOD

The Gilgamesh Flood
In reality, it was Utnapishtim’s flood, told in the 11th tablet. The council of the gods decided to flood the whole earth to destroy mankind. But Ea, the god who made man, warned Utnapishtim, from Shuruppak, a city on the banks of the Euphrates, and told him to build an enormous boat:

Utnapishtim sealed his ark with pitch,7 took all the kinds of vertebrate animals, and his family members, plus some other humans. Shamash the sun god showered down loaves of bread and rained down wheat. Then the flood came, so fierce that:

Then the ark lodged on Mt Nisir (or Nimush), almost 500 km (300 miles) from Mt Ararat. Utnapishtim sent out a dove then a swallow, but neither could find land, so returned. Then he sent out a raven, which didn’t return. So he released the animals and sacrificed a sheep. This was not too soon, because the poor gods were starving:

The Noah’s flood bears roughly 95% of the above features.

THE HOLY TRINITY

Ancienty Egypt had the holy trinity,Osiris(The God father),Isis(The Goddess or God mother) and Horus(The Son God,also known as the god of the sun)

Christians have The God father, The God mother and the God son

What a similarity!!!coincidence?

NOTE: All the events happened thousands of years before the creation of the christianity
 
nyabhingi said:
Jesus's Story Is An Obvious Rehashing Of Numerous Previous Characters

Perhaps even more compelling is the story of Christ himself. As it turns out it's not even remotely original. It is instead nothing more than a collection of bits and pieces from dozens of other stories that came long before. Here are some examples.

  1. Asklepios healed the sick, raised the dead, and was known as the savior and redeemer.
  2. Hercules was born of a divine father and mortal mother and was known as the savior of the world. Prophets foretold his birth and claimed he would be a king, which started a search by a leader who wanted to kill him. He walked on water and told his mother, "Don't cry, I'm going to heaven." when he died. As he passed he said, "It is finished."
  3. Dionysus was literally the "Son of God", was born of a virgin mother, and was commonly depicted riding a donkey. He healed the sick and turned water to wine. He was killed but was resurrected and became immortal. His greatest accomplishment was his own death, which delivers humanity itself.
  4. Osiris did the same things. He was born of a virgin, was considered the first true king of the people, and when he died he rose from the grave and went to heaven.
  5. Osiris's son, Horus, was known as the "light of the world", "The good shepherd", and "the lamb". He was also referred to as, "The way, the truth, and the life." His symbol was a cross.
  6. Mithra's birthday was celebrated on the 25th of December, his birth was witnessed by local shepherds who brought him gifts, had 12 disciples, and when he was done on earth he had a final meal before going up to heaven. On judgment day he'll return to pass judgment on the living and the dead. The good will go to heaven, and the evil will die in a giant fire. His holiday is on Sunday (he's the Sun God). His followers called themselves "brothers", and their leaders "fathers". They had baptism and a meal ritual where symbolic flesh and blood were eaten. Heaven was in the sky, and hell was below with demons and sinners.
  7. Krishna had a miraculous conception that wise men were able to come to because they were guided by a star. After he was born an area ruler tried to have him found and killed. His parents were warned by a divine messenger, however, and they escaped and was met by shepherds. The boy grew up to be the mediator between God and man.
  8. Buddha's mother was told by an angel that she'd give birth to a holy child destined to be a savior. As a child he teaches the priests in his temple about religion while his parents look for him. He starts his religious career at roughly 30 years of age and is said to have spoken to 12 disciples on his deathbed. One of the disciples is his favorite, and another is a traitor. He and his disciples abstain from wealth and travel around speaking in parables and metaphors. He called himself "the son of man" and was referred to as, "prophet", "master", and "Lord". He healed the sick, cured the blind and deaf, and he walked on water. One of his disciples tried to walk on water as well but sunk because his faith wasn't strong enough.
  9. Apollonius of Tyana (a contemporary of Jesus) performed countless miracles (healing sick and crippled, restored sight, casted out demons, etc.) His birth was of a virgin, foretold by an angel. He knew scripture really well as a child. He was crucified, rose from the dead and appeared to his disciples to prove his power before going to heaven to sit at the right hand of the father. He was known as, "The Son of God".
THE STORY OF MOSES

MOSES

Moses is known as the Law-Giver, the giver of the Ten Commandments, the Mosaic Law. However, the idea of a Law being passed from God to a prophet on a mountain is also a very old motif. Moses is just a Lawgiver in a LONG line of Lawgivers in Mythological History.

MANU

In India, Manu was the great Lawgiver.


MINOS

In Crete, Minos ascended Mount Dicta, where Zeus gave him the Sacred Laws.

MISES

In Egypt there was Mises, who carried stone tablets and upon them the Laws of god were written. As far as the Ten Commandments, they are taken outright from Spell 125 of the Egyptian Book of the Dead. What the Book of the Dead phrased “I have not stolen”, became “Thou shall not steal.” “I have not killed”, became “Thou shall not kill.” “I have not told lies” became “Thou shall not bear false witness”, and so forth.

Mmh!!!minos,mises….moses

NOAH’S FLOOD Vs GILGAMESH FLOOD

The Gilgamesh Flood
In reality, it was Utnapishtim’s flood, told in the 11th tablet. The council of the gods decided to flood the whole earth to destroy mankind. But Ea, the god who made man, warned Utnapishtim, from Shuruppak, a city on the banks of the Euphrates, and told him to build an enormous boat:

Utnapishtim sealed his ark with pitch,7 took all the kinds of vertebrate animals, and his family members, plus some other humans. Shamash the sun god showered down loaves of bread and rained down wheat. Then the flood came, so fierce that:

Then the ark lodged on Mt Nisir (or Nimush), almost 500 km (300 miles) from Mt Ararat. Utnapishtim sent out a dove then a swallow, but neither could find land, so returned. Then he sent out a raven, which didn’t return. So he released the animals and sacrificed a sheep. This was not too soon, because the poor gods were starving:

The Noah’s flood bears roughly 95% of the above features.

THE HOLY TRINITY

Ancienty Egypt had the holy trinity,Osiris(The God father),Isis(The Goddess or God mother) and Horus(The Son God,also known as the god of the sun)

Christians have The God father, The God mother and the God son

What a similarity!!!coincidence?

NOTE: All the events happened thousands of years before the creation of the christianity
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There is a lot of mythology all around the world, trying to explain the divine, nature and human destiny. The ways of putting together those pieces have, however, differed over time and space, as well as cultural practices.
 
Wacha maneno mengi. Binafsi nimemuona Yesu Kristo mara kadhaa... Kwa hiyo mtu akiniuliza kuhusu Yesu Kristo nitamwambia kuwa nina uhakika asilimia mia kuwa Yesu yupo na anaishi...
 
Kweli

Mnafundishwaga na wale jamaa kuwa mkimediteti mnaona maluweluwe kwa jicho la tatu.

Mimi
Nawahakikishia kuwa mkimediteti kiutauwa, kwa kutafakari na kuzingatia Neno la Mungu wakati mnapolala usiku wenye utulivu hakika
Mtaona
-Malaika
-Mbingu
-Watakatifu waliolala katika ..
KristoYesu
- Yesu Kristo mwenyewe
-Utukufu wa Mungu, nk.

Usiku ukilala kwa utulivu unaweza ukarudiarudia sala ya

Baba yetu Uliye
Mbinguni...

Au maneno kama

Asante Yesu kwa
Kuniokoa
Kunirehemu
Kuniumba
Kuniponya
Kunisamehe dhambi zangu nk.

Kwa utulivu na unyenyekevu wa heshima na taadhima, ukasali kimoyomoyo hadi ukazama kabisa katika maono mazuri ya utakatifu.

Ila uwe unalishika Neno la Mungu kwa dhati na kuishi maisha matakatifu

Jaribu ndugu, utafurahi sana.

Mi nilibahatika kuwaona Malaika usiku mmoja, hakika ni wazuri sana, yaani sura zao ni kama za vijana wa miaka ishirini, hawepo mzee au mtu mzima mnasema

Ukiwaangalia kwa harakaharaka, huwezi kuwatofautisha kwani ni kama wanafanana.

Maumbile yao niliyaona ya kibinadamu, wakiwa na urefu wa kama mita mbili hivi.
Umbo lao ni la watu wenye nguvu, wembamba kama ule wa wanamitindo

Rangi yao ilikuwa ya kupendeza kama ya mchanganyiko wa Muarabu na Mzungu, au Mwafrika Mweupe.

Mavazi yao yalikuwa ya rangi ya dhahabu, hayakuwa na mshono wowote

Hakika
Nilistaajabu na kufurahia hadi nilipoamka asubuhi.

Nilikuwa nasumbuliwa na maumivu ya vidonda vya tumbo toka siku hiyo sijayasikia tena.

Niliishiwa nguvu kabisa, walinishika na kunichomoa vitu mwilini mwangu, vitu kama mishale midogo, halafu wakaniachia
Sikuwa na nguvu hata ya kunyanyua kudole,
kweli binadamu hatuna uwezo wowote mbele ya Ufalme wa Mbingu hadi tupewe na Mbingu yenyewe.

Mengine niliyoyaina siku nyingine ni mazuri zaidi
Nakuachia zoezi nawe jitahidi uuone ulimwengu mzuri wa Kiroho kwa kutafakari Neno la Mungu lililopo kwenye kitabu kitakatifu cha Biblia.

Amani ya Bwana wetu Yesu Kristo iwe nawe daima
 
Che mittoga said:
Kweli

Mnafundishwaga na wale jamaa kuwa mkimediteti mnaona maluweluwe kwa jicho la tatu.

Mimi
Nawahakikishia kuwa mkimediteti kiutauwa, kwa kutafakari na kuzingatia Neno la Mungu wakati mnapolala usiku wenye utulivu hakika
Mtaona
-Malaika
-Mbingu
-Watakatifu waliolala katika ..
KristoYesu
- Yesu Kristo mwenyewe
-Utukufu wa Mungu, nk.

Usiku ukilala kwa utulivu unaweza ukarudiarudia sala ya

Baba yetu Uliye
Mbinguni...

Au maneno kama

Asante Yesu kwa
Kuniokoa
Kunirehemu
Kuniumba
Kuniponya
Kunisamehe dhambi zangu nk.

Kwa utulivu na unyenyekevu wa heshima na taadhima, ukasali kimoyomoyo hadi ukazama kabisa katika maono mazuri ya utakatifu.

Ila uwe unalishika Neno la Mungu kwa dhati na kuishi maisha matakatifu

Jaribu ndugu, utafurahi sana.

Mi nilibahatika kuwaona Malaika usiku mmoja, hakika ni wazuri sana, yaani sura zao ni kama za vijana wa miaka ishirini, hawepo mzee au mtu mzima mnasema

Ukiwaangalia kwa harakaharaka, huwezi kuwatofautisha kwani ni kama wanafanana.

Maumbile yao niliyaona ya kibinadamu, wakiwa na urefu wa kama mita mbili hivi.
Umbo lao ni la watu wenye nguvu, wembamba kama ule wa wanamitindo

Rangi yao ilikuwa ya kupendeza kama ya mchanganyiko wa Muarabu na Mzungu, au Mwafrika Mweupe.

Mavazi yao yalikuwa ya rangi ya dhahabu, hayakuwa na mshono wowote

Hakika
Nilistaajabu na kufurahia hadi nilipoamka asubuhi.

Nilikuwa nasumbuliwa na maumivu ya vidonda vya tumbo toka siku hiyo sijayasikia tena.

Niliishiwa nguvu kabisa, walinishika na kunichomoa vitu mwilini mwangu, vitu kama mishale midogo, halafu wakaniachia
Sikuwa na nguvu hata ya kunyanyua kudole,
kweli binadamu hatuna uwezo wowote mbele ya Ufalme wa Mbingu hadi tupewe na Mbingu yenyewe.

Mengine niliyoyaina siku nyingine ni mazuri zaidi
Nakuachia zoezi nawe jitahidi uuone ulimwengu mzuri wa Kiroho kwa kutafakari Neno la Mungu lililopo kwenye kitabu kitakatifu cha Biblia.

Amani ya Bwana wetu Yesu Kristo iwe nawe daima
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NAANDIKA KWA HERUFI KUBWA KUONYESHA MSISITIZO LEO NDO NIMEAMINI KUWA KWELI WAAFRIKA TUMEFANYIWA BRAIN WASH YAANI M2 UNAOTA MALAIKA NI MWEUPE YAANI MZUNGU AU CHOTARA AU MWARABU KWA KUWA 2 KWENYE PICHA NYINGI HUWA WANA WAPOTRAIT KUWA NA RANGI HIZO DUH!! NAJARIBU KUJIULIZA KWA NN HUKUWAOTA NI WEUSI??? JIBU NI KUWA UMEKARIRI KUWA NI WEUPE NA HIYO NDOTO YAKO YA UONGO ETI WEUPE DUH?????
 
Smigo4u

Kwahiyo ningesema walikuwa weusi ndo ungeamini kuwa ni kweli ?
Kwani wafrika wote ni weusi, au hujui kuwa wako waafrika weupe kuliko hata waarabu au wahindi
Kuna waarabu na wahindi na ni weusi tii kabisa.
Hivyo rangi nyeupe ni ya jamii yote tu

Au ungeeamini kama ningesema niliwaona malaika wakiwa katika rangi zote yaani weupe, weusi, maji ya kunde, wekundu nk.

Kimbuka hakuna mtu anayejua rangi ya malaika. Na ile ilikuwa ndoto kweli na ndivyo nilivyoona
Kwani Paulo alivyotokewa na Yesu Kristo si alisema aliona mwanga mkali ?
Ivi tunaweza kumbishia Kwa kuwa hakuona giza totoro ?

Ujue kuona Malaika katika hali ya weupe siyo kwamba wao ni weupe bali wewe unayeona unapewa uono huo bila kuchagua
Soma ile Mbingu mpya katika kitabu cha, Ufunuo je umesoma kuwa kuna rangi nyeusi kwenye kuta zake ?
Kwa hiyo huamini Mbingu hiyo kotokana na kuwa na rangi nyingine ?

Ndoto unaweza kuonyeshwa katika rangi yeyote sio lazima iwe unayoipenda wewe.

Hebu jaribu nawe kumediteti ki utauwa halafu utueleze umeona nini.

Mimi ndivyi nilivyoona


Karibu.
 
eti christians have the God father the God mother and The God son katika ukristo hakuna trinity ya namna hii kiujumla umaliziaji wako umanisababisha nisiamini mwanzo wako...
 
mimi ni muislamu na nina hakika Yesu yupo hai, yupo mbinguni.. hajawahi kufa wala hakusulubiwa ila Mungu alimchukua. na siku moja atarudi duniani ataishi na atakufa kama mitume wengine walivyokufa. na akija atakuwa na waislamu kwani yeye ni muislamu
 
Ukimuongelea Krishna unaongelea miungu ya wahindi,,,ukiongelea budha unaongelea miungu ya watu wa china,,,Isis na horus ni miungu ya wapagani wa misri.Unapomuongelea Moses as a law giver unakosea Moses alikuwa nabii na zile sheria alipewa na MUNGU mwenye jina la Jehovah.Huyo Mises kama law giver alizitoa kwa Mungu gani?? Krishna,,budha au horus???? Coincidence ktk Hivyo Vyote inatokana na ile hali kwamba kuna MUNGU mmoja mkuu alieumba vyote kwa hio kila ibada ya miungu mingine na ile namna hio miungu inavyojitambulisha inakuwa imereflect,kukopy na kupesti kutoka kwa yule alie mkuu na pekee.
 
Zaidi sana kila miungu ilio nje ya Jehovah yote inafall ktk category moja..Yaani ni kama matawi ambayo shina lake ni kiumbe mmoja alieanguka kutoka mbinguni.
 
Loeb S Mpalasinge said:
Ukimuongelea Krishna unaongelea miungu ya wahindi,,,ukiongelea budha unaongelea miungu ya watu wa china,,,Isis na horus ni miungu ya wapagani wa misri.Unapomuongelea Moses as a law giver unakosea Moses alikuwa nabii na zile sheria alipewa na MUNGU mwenye jina la Jehovah.Huyo Mises kama law giver alizitoa kwa Mungu gani?? Krishna,,budha au horus???? Coincidence ktk Hivyo Vyote inatokana na ile hali kwamba kuna MUNGU mmoja mkuu alieumba vyote kwa hio kila ibada ya miungu mingine na ile namna hio miungu inavyojitambulisha inakuwa imereflect,kukopy na kupesti kutoka kwa yule alie mkuu na pekee.
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Mkuu mimi sipingani naww ila nataka dada yangu mupenzi ISIS aje aelezee vzr kuhusu hao miungu wa wapagani wa misri..
 
nyabhingi said:
Christians have The God father, The God mother and the God son
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I have just singled out this line as matter of point of correction, trinity in christian life do not have god mother, rather it has Holy spirit for the accomplishment of tripartite divine nature
 
[QUO="ISIS, post: 20735205, member: 363774"]Ok, nitajipanga nitarudi![/QUOTE]
Nakupendraaaaa buree
 
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