Ethiopia, please join the East African Community

[msemakweli]

At most tunaweza shirikiana kiuchumi tu...utaunda federation na authoritarian state?

Kama tumeweza na Uganda kwa nini tusiweze na Ethiopia?
Besides, wao kujiunga nasi ndio inaweza kuwa chance ya kubadili mfumo wao wa kiutawala kuwa wa kidemokrasia zaidi, as shall be required of them by the EA federal constitution. I am sure kuna waethiopia wengi tu watakaosupport hili!

 

[msemakweli]

Another quick fact about Ethiopia i just learnt:
1) They used the East African shilling from 1941-1945. So we do have some history of cooperation. They should join our monetary union.

 

[TimChoice]

Hahahahahahahahaaaaa! You had to say it. Some of us were just quietly thinking about it!

Tafadhali tuache ku derail thread......tuwe serious wakati mwingine....meaning business...watoto warudi shuleni..ahsanteni wakuu.

 

[msemakweli]

Tafadhali tuache ku derail thread......tuwe serious wakati mwingine....meaning business...watoto warudi shuleni..ahsanteni wakuu.

Yes sir!

 

[IAfrika]

Naona Kuna kiu ya kujua zaidi kuhusu Ethiopia. Ethiopia wako na uzuri wao na ubaya wao.

Kwanza kabisa asilimia 60 ya bajeti yao inafadhiliwa na misaada, hapo unaona kuna shida ushawishi wa kigeni na kutoweza kutoza kodi kwa wananchi wake.

Imeshasemwa kuwa Ethiopia authoritarian state, hii ni kwa sababu ya uhasama kati ya Amharic, Oromo, Tigrey na Ogaden ambao hawapendi utawala wa Tigrey ambao wanasema umewakalia sana. Haya majimbo huwa yanataka kujitenga kama Eritrea lakini Serikali hutumia heavy-handed tactics kuwanyamazisha. Tigrey ni wachache kuliko Amharic na Oromo (jumla 60%) lakini Tigrey huwagawanya na kuweza kiutawala Ethiopia, mmmh nchi gani ingine EA iko hivyo?

Kwenye uchumi kuna kahawa, teff ambayo naitaka sana lakini kuna export ban , kuna vehicle assembly, kuna kampuni ya kigeni ambayo inatengenaza vifa vya kivita ya hali ya juu huko, leather industry ya iko very developed kwa sababu wako na export ban ya raw leather hata niliona wabunge wa Tanzania huko wakifanya uhamasisho kwenye runinga. Lakini wengi wa Ethiopia wako na shida mingi za kiuchumi ndio sababu unaona wengi wakiwa economic refugees wakizama kwenye bahari na wa Eritrea kwa vijimeli. Wengine huwa trafficked kupitia Kenya wakienda Afrika Kusini. Habesha wengine wanafanya umalaya Nairobi, London na kwingineko. Mambo ya kuuza viungo vya mwili kama figo hufanywa sana na Ethiopians na Eritreas.

Serikali yao hairuhusu kampuni zisizo za kiafrika kuwekeza kwenye sekta kama ya benki na mawasiliano. EA ni kampuni chache sana ambazo.ni za kiafrika na zina uwezo wa kuwekeza kule katika hizi bilateral agreements. Trade kati ya Ethiopia na EA unatarajiwa kuongezeka baada ya njia ya kuinganisha na kaskazini mwa Kenya kukamilika hivi karibuni. Upande wa Ethiopia walikamilisha enzi za HaileSelassie lakini sijui hali yake sasa hivi. (There was a time Ethiopia was laying claim to Northern Kenya )

Unity and togetherness wa nchi za kanda ya ziwa Victoria katika haki zao za kutumia maji ya kanda hii ndio ilipatia Ethiopia power backing kujenga Grand Renaissance Dam ambayo Egypt ilikuwa imepinga na hata kutishia kufadhili uhasama wa kikabila na kimajimbo huko Ethiopia ilikuisambaratisha dam project hiyo.

Ethiopia wameshaonyesha nia ya kuingia EAC hapo awali lakini treaty haiwezi kulinda ushirikiano wa kiwango hicho. Wako na yale wamefanya vyema na mengine wanahitaji mabadiliko. Kuna wakati nchi nchi huwa authoritarian/dictarship halafu unapata siku.nyingine imekuwa demokrasia .

Forum ya Ethiopians iko hapa m.topix.com/forum/world/ethiopia

 

[nyumba kubwa]

Hivi sisi na wengine wa EU tuna political federation? mbona hii kwangu news...
Hata hao Uganda hatutakaa tuwe na federation nao ya kisiasa mpaka wa democratise au sie tuamue kuwa ma dictator kama wao...huwezi changaynya embe chungwa na epo...

Na kusema waethiopia wengi wata support democrasia ni wishful thinking...anayefanya maamuzi kule si wananchi ni viongozi...kwa kweli nchi yao kama nchi ina prosper...lakini young generation wakipata upenyo hawarudi kwao...wanatokomea ugaibuni...
si unana wanavyokamatwa daily kwenye magari ya mizigo wanataka kutumia Tz ku cross border kwenda South...ile nchi ni very authoritarian...new generation wengi dreams zao ni kuzamia...

Kama tumeweza na Uganda kwa nini tusiweze na Ethiopia?
Besides, wao kujiunga nasi ndio inaweza kuwa chance ya kubadili mfumo wao wa kiutawala kuwa wa kidemokrasia zaidi, as shall be required of them by the EA federal constitution. I am sure kuna waethiopia wengi tu watakaosupport hili!

 

[nyumba kubwa]

You are very right...Ethiopia inategemea wafadhili kuliko Tz...
Lakini ina respect kwa wafadhili kuliko Tz...ndio maana nikasema pamoja na dependency yao why wanakuwa na higher bargainign capital...ukishategemea mfadhili one would expect you not to have autonomy to plan your own development ...not Ethiopia....

Yule waziri mkuu wao siju Bedawi alipokufa nikasema labda Ethiopia itabadilika...ha ha ha kumbe authoritarian kwao ni mfumo uloota mizizi...hata alomrithi ni mule mule...

Kuna dada nilisoma nae nchi fulani alikuwa senior official wa Ministry of Foreign Affairs wa Ethiopia...kitendo cha yeye kumaliza shule na kuzamia kilinishtua sana ndio nikaanza rasmi kujiuliza what is happening in Ethiopia...huwezi kusikia afisa mambo ya nje amabye alikuwa na sifa ya kufanya kazi ubalozini nchi yoyote na anasafiri na diplomat passport anazamia...

Afu mnakumbuka yule pilot kijana wa Ethiopia Airline ambaye aliamua ku divert safari ya ndege huko Europe ili apate asylum...

Naona Kuna kiu ya kujua zaidi kuhusu Ethiopia. Ethiopia wako na uzuri wao na ubaya wao.

Kwanza kabisa asilimia 60 ya bajeti yao inafadhiliwa na misaada, hapo unaona kuna shida ushawishi wa kigeni na kutoweza kutoza kodi kwa wananchi wake.

Imeshasemwa kuwa Ethiopia authoritarian state, hii ni kwa sababu ya uhasama kati ya Amharic, Oromo, Tigrey na Ogaden ambao hawapendi utawala wa Tigrey ambao wanasema umewakalia sana. Haya majimbo huwa yanataka kujitenga kama Eritrea lakini Serikali hutumia heavy-handed tactics kuwanyamazisha. Tigrey ni wachache kuliko Amharic na Oromo (jumla 60%) lakini Tigrey huwagawanya na kuweza kiutawala Ethiopia, mmmh nchi gani ingine EA iko hivyo?

Kwenye uchumi kuna kahawa, teff ambayo naitaka sana lakini kuna export ban , kuna vehicle assembly, kuna kampuni ya kigeni ambayo inatengenaza vifa vya kivita ya hali ya juu huko, leather industry ya iko very developed kwa sababu wako na export ban ya raw leather hata niliona wabunge wa Tanzania huko wakifanya uhamasisho kwenye runinga. Lakini wengi wa Ethiopia wako na shida mingi za kiuchumi ndio sababu unaona wengi wakiwa economic refugees wakizama kwenye bahari na wa Eritrea kwa vijimeli. Wengine huwa trafficked kupitia Kenya wakienda Afrika Kusini. Habesha wengine wanafanya umalaya Nairobi, London na kwingineko. Mambo ya kuuza viungo vya mwili kama figo hufanywa sana na Ethiopians na Eritreas.

Serikali yao hairuhusu kampuni zisizo za kiafrika kuwekeza kwenye sekta kama ya benki na mawasiliano. EA ni kampuni chache sana ambazo.ni za kiafrika na zina uwezo wa kuwekeza kule katika hizi bilateral agreements. Trade kati ya Ethiopia na EA unatarajiwa kuongezeka baada ya njia ya kuinganisha na kaskazini mwa Kenya kukamilika hivi karibuni. Upande wa Ethiopia walikamilisha enzi za HaileSelassie lakini sijui hali yake sasa hivi. (There was a time Ethiopia was laying claim to Northern Kenya )

Unity and togetherness wa nchi za kanda ya ziwa Victoria katika haki zao za kutumia maji ya kanda hii ndio ilipatia Ethiopia power backing kujenga Grand Renaissance Dam ambayo Egypt ilikuwa imepinga na hata kutishia kufadhili uhasama wa kikabila na kimajimbo huko Ethiopia ilikuisambaratisha dam project hiyo.

Ethiopia wameshaonyesha nia ya kuingia EAC hapo awali lakini treaty haiwezi kulinda ushirikiano wa kiwango hicho. Wako na yale wamefanya vyema na mengine wanahitaji mabadiliko. Kuna wakati nchi nchi huwa authoritarian/dictarship halafu unapata siku.nyingine imekuwa demokrasia .

Forum ya Ethiopians iko hapa m.topix.com/forum/world/ethiopia

 

[IAfrika]

You are very right...Ethiopia inategemea wafadhili kuliko Tz...
Lakini ina respect kwa wafadhili kuliko Tz...ndio maana nikasema pamoja na dependency yao why wanakuwa na higher bargainign capital...ukishategemea mfadhili one would expect you not to have autonomy to plan your own development ...not Ethiopia....

Yule waziri mkuu wao siju Bedawi alipokufa nikasema labda Ethiopia itabadilika...ha ha ha kumbe authoritarian kwao ni mfumo uloota mizizi...hata alomrithi ni mule mule...

Kuna dada nilisoma nae nchi fulani alikuwa senior official wa Ministry of Foreign Affairs wa Ethiopia...kitendo cha yeye kumaliza shule na kuzamia kilinishtua sana ndio nikaanza rasmi kujiuliza what is happening in Ethiopia...huwezi kusikia afisa mambo ya nje amabye alikuwa na sifa ya kufanya kazi ubalozini nchi yoyote na anasafiri na diplomat passport anazamia...

Afu mnakumbuka yule pilot kijana wa Ethiopia Airline ambaye aliamua ku divert safari ya ndege huko Europe ili apate asylum...

Ukiangalia Adis Ababa utaona kuwa it is thriving, sijui kiwango cha udhaifu wa ichumi wao inje ya Adis Ababa. Ningesema kuwa Ethopians are exaggerate umuhimu wa green pastures lakini ni kama kila mmoja wao anataka kuzamia. Ndani ya nchi yao ni juzi tu ndio huyu PM wa sasa alianza kuwekeza kwenye elimu vilivyo.

Ikajiunga na EAC heavy impact kwenye inchi za EA itakuwa ya kiuchumi na sio kisiasa. Mara ya mwisho kulikuwa na negative impact kwa inchi zingine politically ni enzi za Idi Amin alipokuwa anataka Nakuru Kenya na kaskazini mwa Tanzania kuwa sehemu ya Uganda.

 

[Andrew123]

ILI TUENDELEE TUNAHITAJI VITU VTATU:1. ARDHI (Tunayo ya Kutosha) 2. WATU (tupo karibia 46m sasa) 3. UONGOZI BORA (?????)Wakati Fulani nilifika Addis Ababa nikakuta Barabara katikati ya Jiji ( 8 lanes, 4 lanes kila upande rafiki yangu mu-Ethiopia,ambae ni mhandisi kwenye hiyo barabara akaniambia African Development Bank (AfDB) walitoa mkopo kwa Tanzania kujenga hiyo Barabara Dar es Salaam lakini aliyekuwa waziri wa Ujenzi wakati huo akataka apewe 10% basi jamaa wa Ethiopia wakaichangamkia fursa na wakapewa mkopo na sasa wana barabara za uhakika hapo Addis Ababa. Sisi tumekalia taarabu

 

[nyumba kubwa]

ILI TUENDELEE TUNAHITAJI VITU VTATU:1. ARDHI (Tunayo ya Kutosha) 2. WATU (tupo karibia 46m sasa) 3. UONGOZI BORA (?????)Wakati Fulani nilifika Addis Ababa nikakuta Barabara katikati ya Jiji ( 8 lanes, 4 lanes kila upande rafiki yangu mu-Ethiopia,ambae ni mhandisi kwenye hiyo barabara akaniambia African Development Bank (AfDB) walitoa mkopo kwa Tanzania kujenga hiyo Barabara Dar es Salaam lakini aliyekuwa waziri wa Ujenzi wakati huo akataka apewe 10% basi jamaa wa Ethiopia wakaichangamkia fursa na wakapewa mkopo na sasa wana barabara za uhakika hapo Addis Ababa. Sisi tumekalia taarabu

This is a very strong accusation...kipi kimekufanya uamini????
Tz inanuka rushwa lakini aiingii akilini eti waziri aombe Rushwa AfDB au World Bank...hiyo ni kali ya mwaka...hao AfDB rushwa waitoe wapi?
Rushwa zinaombwa toka multinationals si kwenye hizi multilateral organizations...ungenambia walipewa ela wakala ningekubali...ila eti wameomba 10% mmmmnnnhhhhh....unaomba 10% mtu akusaidie...hizo ela si kama msaada tu....(cheap loans)...

 

[SSH2025_2030]

Unashangaa nini NYUMBA KUBWA baadhi ya viongozi hawajui kama ni mkopo wala nini yaani wao wakishaona hela ni kuomba rushwa tu. Binafsi naamini kuwa huyo Waziri alidai rushwa huko (kwa ujinga wake wa kutojua AfDB wanatusaidia soft loans kwa maendeleo yetu)

 

[nyumba kubwa]

Unashangaa nini NYUMBA KUBWA baadhi ya viongozi hawajui kama ni mkopo wala nini yaani wao wakishaona hela ni kuomba rushwa tu. Binafsi naamini kuwa huyo Waziri alidai rushwa huko (kwa ujinga wake wa kutojua AfDB wanatusaidia soft loans kwa maendeleo yetu)

Jamani mnyonge mnyongeni lakini haki yake mpeni...

Huyo waziri angeomba rushwa Tz si ingewekwa kando (black listed) kwenye mikopo yote ya AfDB...? hii mikopo ya kupigia magoti ili nchi ipewe afu kweli hata kama huyo waziri tahahira kiasi gani...unapiga magoti afu unanyanyuka na kuomba 10%...

Mimi bwana nimejifunza kutetea nchi yangu hasa mtu wa nje anapotia chumvi ili kuichafua...
Otherwise unaweza kutumika ku reinforce madharau kwa Tanzania...

Kama hao wa Ethiopia huwezi sikia wakisema vibaya nchi yao pamoja na mapungufu lukuki...kwa nini sisi tukenue wakituponda kwa uwongo wa wazi...

Hili si swala la kuamini (imani) ni logic...yani mtu aseme waziri kaomba rushwa UN unakubali? Akisema kala ela ya UN hapo hata mimi atanipata hata kama sina evidence ...(kuna tofauti kati ya kutumia ela vibaya (kula) na kuomba rushwa)

 

[Wacha1]

Wameshindwa kwenye coalition of the willing sasa wanatapatapa na Ethiopia, jamani mtuache sisi wabongo nyie endeleeni. Mambo ya miungano hasa na manyang'au hayatawezekana. Tanzania tulikuwa na nia hiyo tangu zamani lakini uroho na majizi ambayo yanataka kujificha kwenye jumuiya kubwa ambayo uwajibikaji wake ni kitendawili hauwezi kuliendeleza bara la Afrika. Wote wanaopigia debe huu muungano wanalipwa pesa nyingi na makampuni makubwa ambayo yanataka kuwa na wigo mkubwa wa kuwakamua walipa kodi wa hizi nchi masikini. Mfano Tanzania tulikuwa na mashirika makubwa kabisa ambayo yalikuwa yanaongozwa kwa faida ati yamekufa kwa sabau ya uroho wa viongozi. Hatuwezi kukubali ujinga huu yaani makampuni yote makubwa yawe chini ya Manyang'au then wafanye wanavyotaka na kodi za walala hoi. Kenya hivi sasa wanatapa tapa kwa sababu time is up na ule ujinga wao waliokuwa wanafikiri ni werevu.

Waliua mashirika yote ya EAC kwa visingizio leo hii ati ndio wasemaji wakubwa, what a joke. EA railways ilikuwa na mabasi reli nk wakaua kwa kujiona ni werevu, EA airways wakaua wakajiona ni werevu , harbours nk. waswahili tuna msemo wakati wa kwenda unakuwa mjinga sio wakati wa kurudi.

Watu wanalinganisha miungano ya Europe, kule sheria msumeno watu kama kina Kenyata hivi sasa wangekuwa jela kwa tuhuma lukuki zinazowaganda. Njia za mabeberu siku zote ni kuvuna wasikopanda.

Obo and company mjitahidi kutumia hizo pesa mnazohongwa kwenye familia zenu na wala msifikiri Watanzania wengi wamelala na wanafikiria jinsi ya kujitajirisha binafsi.

 

[IAfrika]

Wameshindwa kwenye coalition of the willing sasa wanatapatapa na Ethiopia, jamani mtuache sisi wabongo nyie endeleeni. Mambo ya miungano hasa na manyang'au hayatawezekana. Tanzania tulikuwa na nia hiyo tangu zamani lakini uroho na majizi ambayo yanataka kujificha kwenye jumuiya kubwa ambayo uwajibikaji wake ni kitendawili hauwezi kuliendeleza bara la Afrika. Wote wanaopigia debe huu muungano wanalipwa pesa nyingi na makampuni makubwa ambayo yanataka kuwa na wigo mkubwa wa kuwakamua walipa kodi wa hizi nchi masikini. Mfano Tanzania tulikuwa na mashirika makubwa kabisa ambayo yalikuwa yanaongozwa kwa faida ati yamekufa kwa sabau ya uroho wa viongozi. Hatuwezi kukubali ujinga huu yaani makampuni yote makubwa yawe chini ya Manyang'au then wafanye wanavyotaka na kodi za walala hoi. Kenya hivi sasa wanatapa tapa kwa sababu time is up na ule ujinga wao waliokuwa wanafikiri ni werevu.

Waliua mashirika yote ya EAC kwa visingizio leo hii ati ndio wasemaji wakubwa, what a joke. EA railways ilikuwa na mabasi reli nk wakaua kwa kujiona ni werevu, EA airways wakaua wakajiona ni werevu , harbours nk. waswahili tuna msemo wakati wa kwenda unakuwa mjinga sio wakati wa kurudi.

Watu wanalinganisha miungano ya Europe, kule sheria msumeno watu kama kina Kenyata hivi sasa wangekuwa jela kwa tuhuma lukuki zinazowaganda. Njia za mabeberu siku zote ni kuvuna wasikopanda.

Obo and company mjitahidi kutumia hizo pesa mnazohongwa kwenye familia zenu na wala msifikiri Watanzania wengi wamelala na wanafikiria jinsi ya kujitajirisha binafsi.

And in storms Wacha1 with the same old same old, tone down your font colour. Hata sitaingia tena kwa hizi siasa mingi za jadi. Fanya utafiti kidogo ungalie stats za EAC na demographic za nchi za Africa Mashariki, imejaa vijana wasioshughilika na siasa za jadi , ni economic opportunities ndio wanataka kwa vyovyote vile. Hio ndio sababu wanasiasa wanafanya haya niliyonukuu hapa chini huku wewe ukiwachwa pekee yako kama unavyotaka. " Uganda races to meet
Monetary Union date. DICTA ASIIMWE The East African. After months of dilly-dallying with the East
African Monetary Union (EAMU) Protocol,
the Uganda parliament finally ratified it on
December 16.
Minister of State for East African
Community Affairs, Shem Bageine said the
government will meet the revised deadline
of December 31. He said only the Foreign
Affairs Minister’s signature was being
awaited for Uganda to deposit the
instruments of ratification with the EAC
Secretary-General.
Although the Ministry of Finance submitted
the motion in September, it came up on the
Order Paper on December 8 and MPs passed
it amid “ambush” claims.
READ: Uganda the odd man out as Kenya
ratifies monetary union
Remegio Achia, deputy chairperson of the
Budget Committee, expressed parliament’s
concern at Uganda being part of the EAMU.
But MPs agreed that the concerns will be
dealt with during implementation.
“Although we have in principle agreed and
passed it, we shall scrutinise the
convergence criteria when implementation
of the monetary union starts,” Mr Achia
said.
Uganda was the last to ratify the protocol,
Kenya, Burundi, Rwanda and Tanzania
having already deposited the instruments of
ratification with the East African
Community Secretariat in Arusha.
Uganda’s ratification will pave the way for
the implementation of the EAMU Protocol.
Mr Bageine said ratification by all partner
states means the region can finally start the
process to establish the East African
Monetary Institute. This will be the first
institution established by the protocol.
According to the schedule for the
realisation of EAMU, the region should next
year establish a monetary institute and
create an institution responsible for
surveillance, compliance and enforcement
by 2018. Other institutions to be up and
running by 2018 include one in charge of
collecting statistics and another responsible
for financial services.
The EAC will co-ordinate and harmonise
fiscal, monetary and exchange rate policies
by 2018 as a way to transit into a monetary
union. The Heads of State Summit signed
the Protocol establishing the EAMU in
November last year. "

 

[Andrew123]

Nyumba kubwa unatetea Nchi yako hata kama ni uongo?

 

[msemakweli]

And in storms Wacha1 with the same old same old, tone down your font colour. Hata sitaingia tena kwa hizi siasa mingi za jadi. Fanya utafiti kidogo ungalie stats za EAC na demographic za nchi za Africa Mashariki, imejaa vijana wasioshughilika na siasa za jadi , ni economic opportunities ndio wanataka kwa vyovyote vile. Hio ndio sababu wanasiasa wanafanya haya niliyonukuu hapa chini huku wewe ukiwachwa pekee yako kama unavyotaka. " Uganda races to meet
Monetary Union date. DICTA ASIIMWE The East African. After months of dilly-dallying with the East
African Monetary Union (EAMU) Protocol,
the Uganda parliament finally ratified it on
December 16.
Minister of State for East African
Community Affairs, Shem Bageine said the
government will meet the revised deadline
of December 31. He said only the Foreign
Affairs Minister’s signature was being
awaited for Uganda to deposit the
instruments of ratification with the EAC
Secretary-General.
Although the Ministry of Finance submitted
the motion in September, it came up on the
Order Paper on December 8 and MPs passed
it amid “ambush” claims.
READ: Uganda the odd man out as Kenya
ratifies monetary union
Remegio Achia, deputy chairperson of the
Budget Committee, expressed parliament’s
concern at Uganda being part of the EAMU.
But MPs agreed that the concerns will be
dealt with during implementation.
“Although we have in principle agreed and
passed it, we shall scrutinise the
convergence criteria when implementation
of the monetary union starts,” Mr Achia
said.
Uganda was the last to ratify the protocol,
Kenya, Burundi, Rwanda and Tanzania
having already deposited the instruments of
ratification with the East African
Community Secretariat in Arusha.
Uganda’s ratification will pave the way for
the implementation of the EAMU Protocol.
Mr Bageine said ratification by all partner
states means the region can finally start the
process to establish the East African
Monetary Institute. This will be the first
institution established by the protocol.
According to the schedule for the
realisation of EAMU, the region should next
year establish a monetary institute and
create an institution responsible for
surveillance, compliance and enforcement
by 2018. Other institutions to be up and
running by 2018 include one in charge of
collecting statistics and another responsible
for financial services.
The EAC will co-ordinate and harmonise
fiscal, monetary and exchange rate policies
by 2018 as a way to transit into a monetary
union. The Heads of State Summit signed
the Protocol establishing the EAMU in
November last year. "

There is some truth in what mr Wacha1 has said though....
Kenyans led to the collapse of the first EAC and Tz suffered the most.
Also, the EAC in its current form is far from being people centred as it should be; it feels like it is more about the Vimal Shah's and the Said Bakhressa's
You say all the youth are interested in is economics, well i beg to differ. i know plenty in both Kenya and Tz who are vehemently against it.
And weve just been advised by mr Kibona not to look at things only from an economic perspective!

 

[Adiosamigo]

Hamna mkuu East African Eagle
Ukiangalia geography ya Africa DRC iko central afrika na siyo East Africa. Wako kwenye economic community of central african states (ECCAS). East Africa ni ETHIOPIA, South Sudan, Djibouti, Eritrea, Somalia na EAC ya sasa.
Besides, mimi kama mTZ nasupport sana hili suala. Tusilifikirie kwa angle ya wenzetu wana benefit nini ila kwa sisi Tanzania tunabenefit nini. Wewe ungekuwa mfanyabiashara ungelimind sana hilo soko la watu million 87.
Uhaba wa rasilimali Ethiopia umepelekea nchi hiyo kuendeleza sekta zake hasa kilimo na utalii. Tunaweza tukacomplement each other! Ethiopia leo hii inajengwa hata KEnya wanaona aibu. Mji wa Addis Ababa una barabara za kisasa na kipekee kwa hapa EA. Kuna mradi wa kuzalisha 10000MW za umeme (grand renaissance dam). We huoni kama tatizo la umeme hapa EA litamalizika kama tukishirikiana na wenzetu?

Hizi ndio akili tunazihitajia bongo, sio mafala wengine hawajui hata wanaongea nini.

 

[msemakweli]

I see, mkuu take a time na peruzi kidogo kuhusu ethipia.

Nchi za Africa Mashariki zina almost 2% benefit if Ethiopia will join EA-Community. hii inatokana na nchi hiyo kutokuwa na rasilimali za kutosha (Natural resources). almost 20 percent ya Ardhi ya Ethipia ndo hulimika tu. Ethipia haina madini kama dhahabu, almasi wala rubby kama nchi za EAC zilivyo. Uchumi wa Ethiopia unategemea secta 2 muhimu, Utalii na Air lines (Aviation industry). kila mwaka wa-Ethiopia mamia kwa maelfu wanaikimbia nchi yao ili kutafuta ahueni ya maisha katika nchi za kigeni. Nafikiri ni nchi inayoongoza kwa kuproduce Economic Refugee katika Africa.

unaongelea kuhusu soko kwenye population ya watu 87, lakini bila hata ya kuwa member wa EAC, still we can do business with them. kinachotupunza, sisi kama watz, ukitoamo Bakhressa, sijawahi kuona mkulima akienda kutafuta masoko ya mahindi zimbabwe, ethiopia wala Somalia. wengi tunataka tukilima tukamwuuzie Bakhressa ili naye aje kutuuzia unga, kutoka kwenye mahindi yetu wenyewe tuliyomwuuzia.

Tuna vyanzo vingi vya kuzalisha umeme mpaka kusaza, lakini tumekosa proper management kwenye natural resource zetu ili zilete tija kwa Taifa na Maendeleo kwa Ujumla.

Neither Ethiopia nor Southern Sudan are credible member to join EAC, since we dont share common History, let them remain what they are....

Lack of natural resources is usually more of a blessing than a curse in African countries. Very few resource rich African countries have anything to show other than just brag about how abundantly blessed they are. A good example is Tanzania!

 

[Wacha1]

You can ratify everything you want but at the end of the day each country will carry its own burden. M7 bado anang'ang'ania madaraka, JK ndio imetoka hiyo his time is up, hawezi hata kuonyesha sura baada ya Escrow . Hivi kweli Tanzania bado wana hamu na Escrow nyingine kutoka kwa manyang'au? I doubt it!

Watu walikuwa wanatolea mfano EU kuungana sasa yako wapi, wako njia panda tayari kuna mataifa yanataka kujiondoa kutokana na sera mbovu mbovu. Wengine wanafikiria matumbo yao tu hawafahamu you need to work hard wherever you are to achieve same goals. Kama Kenya ardhi yote kubwa iko mikononi mwa kenyatta et al ina maana waliobaki waje kwenye jumuiya wafaidike na ardhi ya Tanzania? Ngojeni vita baridi tu.

 

[IAfrika]

There is some truth in what mr Wacha1 has said though....
Kenyans led to the collapse of the first EAC and Tz suffered the most.
Also, the EAC in its current form is far from being people centred as it should be; it feels like it is more about the Vimal Shah's and the Said Bakhressa's
You say all the youth are interested in is economics, well i beg to differ. i know plenty in both Kenya and Tz who are vehemently against it.
And weve just been advised by mr Kibona not to look at things only from an economic perspective!

Hold on a second msemakweli, you just threw in there a huge massive " Kenyans led to the collapse of the first EAC and Tz suffered the most. " The politics around this 1977 EAC collapse is more complex than the statement I have quoted there. I have seen some literature ( search Why did regional integration fail in East Africa in the 1970s? A historical explanation Bheki R. Mngomezulu ) on this and my conclusion is nobody wanted to listen to each other even an inch and nothing was done to save EAC at that time. Politicians in Kenya and Tanzania and a dictator in Uganda led the collapse of 1st EAC. If "Kenyans" had been consulted in a referendum , a different answer would have came out. If you look at the the EAC treaty now on those "where as " statements you will find that points of agreement on this such as lack of participation of the people, business community and civil society as one of The fronted reasons. Anyway, hayo si ndwele, tugange yajayo.

We are in 2014 and its the same thing "lack of people centeredness". Any suggestions on how this should be tackled? EAMU was approved by EA Parliaments, I don't know if that is enough to pass as people centered Germany did this using a referendum in EU. A future EAPF would solve this people participation issue though.

I think Vimal, Bakhressa &Co are there to represent business community, I prefer looking at statistics when making conclusion about EAC trade and it shows intratrade has increased some of the beneficiaries being Uganda and Tanzania farmers.

Educated youth in EA can't wait, what I know is that we have many youth that have not gone to school in EA and they far out weigh the number of unskilled labour opportunities out there. These youth , even in Kenya would not want see unskilled labour jobs being taken by unskilled youth from elsewhere. Investing more in education and combining economies under different jurisdictions will bring about economies of scale that will result in more opportunities for the young people. Making use of the few that are educated now anywhere they are needed In EAC will bring about deployment of vital resources creating even more opportunities.

When it comes to human rights, corruption and transparency citizenry have to keep a watchful eye on the politicians cause they will always look after their pockets and try to silence those who raise their voices. On human rights some EA countries have made irreversible advancement in their new constitutions. Accountability requirements from leaders by the people is and will be needed locally and at EA level, today and tomorrow.