East African middle class

[Shinto]

Washikaji kama muna cheki hiyo middle class kwa kuangalia shopping za kwenye malls na supermarkets, najua kwa nini Kenya inaongoza! Kenya hasa Nairobi ni makao makuu ya mashirika na kampuni nyingi za kimataifa. Obviously wanalipwa mishahara mikubwa na can afford to go shopping! Wakenya halisi up to 6M in Nairobi wapo kwenye biggest slum in the world ... KIBERA! Zinazobaki ni bed-time stories!

 

[Mnairobi]

Washikaji kama muna cheki hiyo middle class kwa kuangalia shopping za kwenye malls na supermarkets, najua kwa nini Kenya inaongoza! Kenya hasa Nairobi ni makao makuu ya mashirika na kampuni nyingi za kimataifa. Obviously wanalipwa mishahara mikubwa na can afford to go shopping! Wakenya halisi up to 6M in Nairobi wapo kwenye biggest slum in the world ... KIBERA! Zinazobaki ni bed-time stories!

Biggets slum in Africa because CNN told you? Kibera houses only 170,000 and thousands have already left thanks to the ongoing slum upgrading......most of these actaully live on more than $1.25 a day.......habari ndio hiyo.....

 

[Prishaz]

Washikaji kama muna cheki hiyo middle class kwa kuangalia shopping za kwenye malls na supermarkets, najua kwa nini Kenya inaongoza! Kenya hasa Nairobi ni makao makuu ya mashirika na kampuni nyingi za kimataifa. Obviously wanalipwa mishahara mikubwa na can afford to go shopping! Wakenya halisi up to 6M in Nairobi wapo kwenye biggest slum in the world ... KIBERA! Zinazobaki ni bed-time stories!

very true comrade,hizi ni bed time stories!

 

[kshaka]

This thread is a classic...I couldn't have asked for a more perfect illustration of a malaise I identified in a previous thread. Anyway, It's quite funny (and interesting) watching people battling desperately against reality because it refuses to conform to what are, obviously, very dearly held prejudices J

 

[Bantugbro]

katazame data za cellphone industry utashangaa

Agree with you...The formula used is unreliable, data used is very old 2005!!!.:A S-coffee:

Latest Africa's Internet usage stats below:

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Source:
Africa Internet Usage, Facebook and Population Statistics

 

[Mekatilili]

Washikaji kama muna cheki hiyo middle class kwa kuangalia shopping za kwenye malls na supermarkets, najua kwa nini Kenya inaongoza! Kenya hasa Nairobi ni makao makuu ya mashirika na kampuni nyingi za kimataifa. Obviously wanalipwa mishahara mikubwa na can afford to go shopping! Wakenya halisi up to 6M in Nairobi wapo kwenye biggest slum in the world ... KIBERA! Zinazobaki ni bed-time stories!

Nyani haoni kundule! Reality check!

Tanzania has the third highest slum growth rate in Africa, over 6% per year, and the sixth largest slum population. With over 6 million people living in slums, slum dwellers make up more than two-thirds of its urban population. Other UN reports estimate that in fact 92% of Tanzania's urban population live in slum conditions – more than 11 million people – which would make it the third largest slum population in Africa.:shock:

Slums and urban poverty in Tanzania - Homeless International

 

[Bantugbro]

Nyani haoni kundule! Reality check!

Kibera and Mathare are known world wide...


Largest slums in Nairobi:

Mathare is a collection of slums in Nairobi, Kenya with a population of approximately 500,000 people

Kibera hosts one of the largest slums in Nairobi - Kibera hosts one of the largest slums in Nairobi. Approximately 900,000 people live there in an area covering 2 square kilometres.
Africa's Future - Kenya - Slums

 

[Mekatilili]

Kibera and Mathare are known world wide...


Largest slums in Nairobi:

Question is do you know what is going on in Tanzania or are you just obsessed with kenya???

Tanzania has the third highest slum growth rate in Africa, over 6% per year, and the sixth largest slum population. With over 6 million people living in slums, slum dwellers make up more than two-thirds of its urban population. Other UN reports estimate that in fact 92% of Tanzania's urban population live in slum conditions – more than 11 million people – which would make it the third largest slum population in Africa.:shock:

 

[Bantugbro]

Question is do you know what is going on in Tanzania or are you just obsessed with kenya???

Tanzania has the third highest slum growth rate in Africa, over 6% per year, and the sixth largest slum population. With over 6 million people living in slums, slum dwellers make up more than two-thirds of its urban population. Other UN reports estimate that in fact 92% of Tanzania's urban population live in slum conditions – more than 11 million people – which would make it the third largest slum population in Africa.:shock:

Dont complain, you started this slum story in two separate threads to show your obsession and desperation...:lol:

In Dar we live in unplanned areas but in proper constructed houses. While in Nairobi (Kibera and Mathare) Africa's second and third largest slums and world famous people live in shacks....saving themselves with flying toilets...

You will never see this miserable condition anywhere in Tz.:A S-coffee:

 

[Mekatilili]

Dont complain, you started this slum story in two separate threads to show your obsession and desperation...:lol:

In Dar we live in unplanned areas but in proper constructed houses. While in Nairobi (Kibera and Mathare) Africa's second and third largest slums and world famous people live in shacks....saving themselves with flying toilets...

You will never see this miserable condition anywhere in Tz.:A S-coffee:

The proof is in the pudding Mr... stop trying to redefine the facts, I apologize for bringing up this topic but it was in reaction to what someone said and now that! Actually its great to put a face and name on all the negative and xenophobic comments you have been making! How is SA btw?:A S 465:

 

[Bantugbro]

The proof is in the pudding Mr... stop trying to redefine the facts, I apologize for bringing up this topic but it was in reaction to what someone said and now that! Actually its great to put a face and name on all the negative and xenophobic comments you have been making! How is SA btw?:A S 465:

What did you expect when you started trolling with this slum story all over the shop? are houses in Kibera and Mathare better than those in Dar?...

If the answer is affirmative then the former could not be that popular...:A S 465:

 

[Mekatilili]

What did you expect when you started trolling with this slum story all over the shop? are houses in Kibera and Mathare better than those in Dar?...

If the answer is affirmative then the former could not be that popular...:A S 465:

[h=1]Kenya: Myth Shattered - Kibera Numbers Fail to Add Up[/h]
Nairobi - It has been billed as Africa's biggest slum and even by some accounts, the world's largest. Some say it is home to two million people, others a million.
But the 2009 Kenya Population and Housing Census results released this week make everything you have heard about the size of Kibera improbable. Numbers do not lie, and figures from the 2009 census indicate that Kibera barely makes it to Nairobi's largest slum.
According to the census figures, the eight locations that form Kibera slums combined host a paltry 170,070. These include Lindi, the largest, with 35,158 people; Kianda (29,356); Laini Saba (28,182); Makina (25,242); Gatwikira (24.991); Siranga (17,363); and Kibera (9,786).
Located five kilometers from the city centre, Kibera forms less than half of Langa'ta constituency. In the list of most populated constituencies, Lang'ata (185,836) comes third after Embakasi (925,775) and Kasarani (525,624).
Another major city slum, Mukuru Kwa Njenga, in Nairobi West with 130,402 people is slowly edging towards the largest slum in Kenya status. Throw in Mathare slum in Nairobi North with 87,097 people and you begin to understand why Kibera has never been Africa's largest slum.
For a long time Kibera has been touted as Africa's largest slum, with various 'experts' putting its population at anything between one and two million. But the slum does not hold a candle to India's Pharavi with one million. Brazil's Rocinha Farela with a quarter million is probably the closest rival.
Yet, the United Nations states that up 16 million Kenyans live in Slums. In its report titled Percentage Change in Slum Populations in Africa between 1990 and 2010, UN Habitat states that between 40 and 50 per cent of Kenyans live in slums. And Kibera has always been used as an illustration of Kenya's slum life.
It turns out to one big lie. Not even the combined population living in all of Kenya's slums comes anywhere close to the largest slum in Africa. According to the census, the total number of Kenyans living in slums is 618,916. "The population of people living in informal settlements has been exaggerated for a long time now," says Kenya's top census official, Dr Anthony Kilele.
Erasing the Kibera lie from history will need one enormous eraser. The lie has been fed to all, from poor residents of the slum who have since grown accustomed to flashing camera lights from tourists taking shots of "the biggest slum in Africa," to schoolchildren who cram the lie everyday in geography classes.
The lie has spread faster abroad, luring scores of big names, who brave the open sewers of Kibera to return home with tales of "how the world needs to help Africa's biggest slum." In 2006, President Barrack Obama, then a US senator, went to see Kibera, "the biggest slum in Africa," so did his foreign policy secretary, Mrs Hilary Clinton, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, United Nation's Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.
They came, they saw, they believed a lie! Perhaps they can be forgiven. Major media outlets have never made an effort to correct the Kibera lie. From the BBC to the ABC, they carried the "Biggest slum in Africa" lie. The National Geographic put Kibera population at between half a million and one million. Even the local press refers to Kibera as a "sprawling slum"
Yet by all definitions, Kibera might only be a slum for less than 200,000 tenants; but to the landlords it remains the most profitable property business in town. According to a UN report, over 90 per cent of Kibera residents pay an estimated Sh4.5 billion every year to the real owners of Kibera. This makes the Kibera a sociological paradox-a slum to the poor, a gold mine to the rich.
And it is not just the landlords who are making a killing from this big lie. Moved by the sight of "the world's biggest slums" celebrities whip up donor organisations abroad to pump in millions of dollars into the shanties. The billions have turned Kibera into a play field of philanthropists.
According to Mr. Tom Aosa, the leader of Community Based Organisations, there are between 6,000 and 15,000 community-based organisations working in Kibera. That is one charitable organisation for every 15 residents of Kibera. Throw in an estimated 2,000 governmental organisations, and you get a rough idea exactly how the billions of shillings pumped into "the biggest slum in the world" are spent.
But according to Mr Aosa, Non-Governmental Organisations are not cashing in on the "biggest slum in the world" lie. Not as much as the political machinery. "We are aware that Kibera is not the largest slum in the world, but it is not us with the statistics, it is the government," says Mr. Aosa.
But not everyone swallowed the "Biggest slum" lie. Long before the Kenyan government ventured into Kibera to ascertain the true population, an outfit called the Map Kibera Project came very close to unearthing the "Biggest Slum in Africa" lie. After mapping one of the nine villages of Kibera, Prof Stefano Marras, an Italian sociologist and social researcher said: "Considering that its area of Kibera is set between 2.3 and 2.5sqKm, the total population living in the slum can be most likely estimated between 220,000 and 250,000 people."
Marras was almost right. He came very close to the official government census figures, closer to dismantling the "the biggest slum in Africa" lie. Experts in numbers say unveiling this lie will drive some non-governmental organisations out of business. That of course depends on how many foreign donors had swallowed the "biggest slum in the world" lie, and how many will start demanding answers on how their money was spent.
As for thousands of foreign visitors who trooped in to see the "Biggest-Slum-in-Africa:" You swallowed one big lie, hook and bait!
allAfrica.com: Kenya: Myth Shattered - Kibera Numbers Fail to Add Up

 

[bagamoyo]

Agree with you...The formula used is unreliable, data used is very old 2005!!!.:A S-coffee:

Latest Africa's Internet usage stats below:

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Source:
Africa Internet Usage, Facebook and Population Statistics

Please read the report below:

The study found that based on an adult sample in each of the covered EAC towns, an average of 45 per cent of the urban population have used the Internet, with Kampala having the highest number at 53 per cent; Arusha and Nairobi at 49 per cent;Source: https://www.jamiiforums.com/busines...zania-having-only-672-000-internet-users.html ????*^

 

[Geza Ulole]

@ mekatili does it make a sense in a country that has more people living under a dollar a day at 45.9% have more people in the middle class than a country that has fewer people living under a dollar at 33.4%? The Afdb data are wrong i a dvice u to visit the WB data that are always upgraded and they give a more precise image off all the countries check the comparison below! Don't forget to check the urban development part to see who has towns that are more shanty than another
Kenya | Data

Tanzania | Data

 

[Mekatilili]

@ mekatili does it make a sense in a country that has more people living under a dollar a day at 45.9% have more people in the middle class than a country that has fewer people living under a dollar at 33.4%? The Afdb data are wrong i a dvice u to visit the WB data that are always upgraded and they give a more precise image off all the countries check the comparison below! Don't forget to check the urban development part to see who has towns that are more shanty than another
Kenya | Data

Tanzania | Data

HAHAH now you are quoting 2005 data!!! you do realize it is 2012 right?oaoaoa I encourage everyone to go to that thread and see for themselves! You level of desperation is pathetic! Why? :lol: you are so hurt and bothered by the truth! LOL! AFDB's Dara came straight from the world bank btw! hahahh! All economists are wrong and you a raging lunatic behind a computer is the expert! LOL

 

[Mekatilili]

HAYA, habari ndio hii kutoka kwa African Development Bank...

Size of middle class in total population in EAST AFRICA /2010

Kenya - 44.9%
Uganda - 18.7%
Tanzania - 12.1%
Rwanda - 7.7%
Burundi - 5.3%

Proportion of people living under $1.25 per day in East Africa in 2010

Tanzania - 82.4%
Burundi - 81.32%
Rwanda - 74.43%
Uganda - 51.53%
Kenya - 19.72%


Graphs na links hizi hapa,
http://www.afdb.org/fileadmin/upload...%20Pyramid.pdf

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we can all make it

 

[Mtafiti1]

Pia wewe hujui maana ya dhana 'middle- class' ktk global village view , yaani watu wanao kwenda kununua posho ya sembe, nguo , mobile phone , urembo n.k ktk ma-shopping mall ndio middle class?

Mtu Afrika akitengeneza $2 - $20 kwa siku tunamwita middle- class ''The ADBG notes that the middle class in Africa – those who make $2 to $20 per day - represents about 34% of the overall population, or about 313 million people. This compares with around 196 million middle class individuals a decade ago'' Money Watch Africa: Wall Street Journal Highlights Africa's Growing Middle Class.

Hiki ni kitu cha kujisikitikia na siyo kujisifia hata kidogo juu ya uwepo wa 'middle -class ' Afrika na ndiyo maana makampuni makubwa ya kimataifa yanatunyonya sana kwa kusifia kumlipa mtu kuanzia $2 mpaka $ 20 kwa siku Afrika.

Kamuulize rais wako JK aliyesema mwanzoni mwa utawala wake kwamba anataka kujenga "middle class" itakayoweza ku consume hicho hicho nilichokisema kwenye post yangu!

 

[eliakeem]

HAYA, habari ndio hii kutoka kwa African Development Bank...

Size of middle class in total population in EAST AFRICA /2010

Kenya - 44.9%
Uganda - 18.7%
Tanzania - 12.1%
Rwanda - 7.7%
Burundi - 5.3%

Proportion of people living under $1.25 per day in East Africa in 2010

Tanzania - 82.4%
Burundi - 81.32%
Rwanda - 74.43%
Uganda - 51.53%
Kenya - 19.72%


Graphs na links hizi hapa,
http://www.afdb.org/fileadmin/upload...%20Pyramid.pdf

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Yelekea wewe ni mtoto sana kwenye human economic development..... any info about GDP, PAR capita Income, etc are not holding water in Africa...... the reason is simple...... prevalence of unregistered business (establishment) and unrecorded transaction

 

[livefire]

Yelekea wewe ni mtoto sana kwenye human economic development..... any info about GDP, PAR capita Income, etc are not holding water in Africa...... the reason is simple...... prevalence of unregistered business (establishment) and unrecorded transaction

this only confirms that you have alot of ground to cover, work on it and complain less. The facts above have not been engineered in Nairobi, AfDB is a neautral party. Internet penetration is still on Kenyan side in terms of the most affordable data rates in the region. Does Konza city ring a bell? Anyway what does middle class citizen imply? To me its the population that has the requisite purchasing power and can afford the luxury of basic needs such as moderate housing, food not to mention spends on lifestyle and cosmetics.

 

[Geza Ulole]

HAHAH now you are quoting 2005 data!!! you do realize it is 2012 right?oaoaoa I encourage everyone to go to that thread and see for themselves! You level of desperation is pathetic! Why? :lol: you are so hurt and bothered by the truth! LOL! AFDB's Dara came straight from the world bank btw! hahahh! All economists are wrong and you a raging lunatic behind a computer is the expert! LOL

Those r the latest for ur country since thereafter there has not been data from there and the situation on the ground went worse especially after PEV in the 2007 u hav over 2050,000 IDPs and ur economy has not been growing that much and inflation has been skyrocketing more than in Tanzania! less than 5%..see Korogocho, Kibera and Mathare slums in Nairobi for answers!

See here