Dear Atheists, this thread’s for you — Everyone else, keep scrolling!

[Setfree]

Hello Atheists!
I want to begin with respect—genuine respect for your intelligence, your questions, and your skepticism.

I know many of you value logic over emotion, evidence over tradition. I do too. That’s why I want to talk about three men who were once exactly where you might be today: skeptical, thoughtful, and deeply committed to atheism. But in time, they each came to believe in something more—not by force or fear, but through reason.

C.S. Lewis was an Oxford professor and literary critic. He saw religion as a myth—until he began wrestling with this question: Why do we all seem to believe in right and wrong, even when it costs us something? He realized that our shared sense of morality doesn’t make sense without a higher moral standard—and a standard implies a source beyond humanity.

Interestingly, one of Lewis’s strongest objections to God was the existence of suffering and evil. Like many skeptics, he was deeply troubled by the Epicurean Paradox: If God is good and powerful, why does evil exist at all? But then it struck him: how could he call the universe unjust unless he was comparing it to some standard of justice? In his own words, “A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line.” It was precisely the presence of evil that forced Lewis to acknowledge that there must be a real, objective moral law—and therefore, a moral Lawgiver. He came to see that evil is not a proof against God, but a clue to His existence.

He later wrote: “I believe in Christianity as I believe the sun has risen—not only because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.”

Lee Strobel, a Yale-trained journalist and an outspoken atheist, tried to disprove Christianity when his wife converted. Using his investigative skills, he spent two years examining historical and scientific evidence.

To his surprise, the evidence for Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection wasn’t weak—it was compelling. Strobel said, “To continue in atheism, I would have to believe far more against the evidence than I ever did as a skeptic.”

And then there’s Antony Flew, a leading atheist philosopher for over 50 years. Later in life, he changed his mind—not because of an emotional experience, but because of discoveries in science. The complexity of DNA and the fine-tuning of the universe pointed him toward an intelligent creator.

His motto was simple: “We must follow the evidence, wherever it leads.” And it led him to God.

So I ask you, with all sincerity:
Could it be that your questions aren’t barriers, but bridges?
That your doubt isn’t the end, but the beginning of a deeper search?

If some of the world’s most rational minds changed their view—not because they were told what to believe, but because they followed the evidence—couldn’t that same journey be open to you?

I’m not here to win an argument. I’m here to open a door.
If you’ve ever wondered…

• What if there’s more than material things?
• What if truth isn’t just abstract, but personal?
• What if God isn’t a myth—but a living presence, a loving Father, and a Savior who knows your heart?

Then I invite you—genuinely—to explore Christianity for yourself. Ask your toughest questions. Scrutinize the claims. And look beyond the usual places for evidence—because evidence isn’t always loud, and truth doesn’t always come packaged the way we expect.

Thank you!

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[Setfree]

The Problem of Evil – A Doorway, Not a Dead End
Many atheists see suffering and injustice as the strongest argument against God. But what if the very fact that we’re disturbed by evil points to something deeper? Think about it: if the universe is only matter and chance, then pain is just pain—nothing more. Yet we instinctively call some things wrong. We grieve injustice. We cry out, “This shouldn't be!” Why? C.S. Lewis once asked, “If the universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning.” Our outrage at evil isn’t a contradiction—it’s a signpost. It shows we were made for something better, something good. And that Goodness is not an illusion—but a Person.

 

[Setfree]

Other minds that changed – from Atheism to awe
You’ve heard from C.S. Lewis, Lee Strobel, and Antony Flew. But they’re not alone. Francis Collins, the former director of the Human Genome Project, was once an agnostic. As a geneticist, he didn’t think faith and science could coexist—until he encountered the moral law within and the elegance of the natural world. Collins later wrote: “The God of the Bible is also the God of the genome. He can be worshipped in the cathedral or the laboratory.” Alister McGrath, another Oxford scientist and former atheist, also found Christianity not only intellectually satisfying, but emotionally and spiritually coherent. He wrote: “Atheism turned out to be too simple. It couldn’t answer the deepest questions of life.”

These were men of facts and logic—yet they came to see that Christianity was not a rejection of reason, but its fulfillment!

 

[Setfree]

Let’s be clear: faith is not a leap in the dark. It’s a step into the light, guided by reason, evidence, and experience. The Christian faith doesn't ask you to stop thinking—it invites you to think more deeply, more honestly. And to consider that perhaps the world’s beauty, meaning, and moral structure point not to blind chaos, but to intentional design.

So ask your hard questions. Revisit your doubts. Keep searching. But also dare to ask: What if there’s a bigger story? What if the longing for meaning, truth, love, and justice is a reflection—not of human illusion—but of divine reality?

The door is open. The invitation stands.
Not to a system, not to blind belief—but to a Person.
A God who invites both the mind and the heart.

 

[Setfree]

Interestingly, one of Lewis’s strongest objections to God was the existence of suffering and evil. Like many skeptics, he was deeply troubled by the Epicurean Paradox:

One of the most weighty objections is what philosophers call “the problem of evil”—or more specifically, the Epicurean Paradox:

“If God is willing to prevent evil, but not able, then He is not omnipotent.
If He is able, but not willing, then He is malevolent.
If He is both able and willing, then why is there evil?
If He is neither able nor willing, then why call Him God?”

This is not a childish argument. It's ancient. It's powerful. And it's honest.

But let’s follow it carefully. The very moment we call something “evil,” we are appealing to a moral standard.
But if the universe is random, indifferent, and godless—what is evil, really?
Just preference? Just survival strategy? Just neurons firing?

Even atheists like Richard Dawkins admit: in a godless universe, there’s ultimately no such thing as good or evil—only blind, pitiless indifference. But our hearts refuse to live as if that’s true. We know evil is real. Genocide, rape, injustice—they are not just "unpleasant." They are wrong.

That knowledge points beyond nature. Beyond evolution. Beyond chance!!

 

[Setfree]

That knowledge points beyond nature. Beyond evolution. Beyond chance!!

Now let me be honest: Christianity doesn’t dismiss the pain of evil. It centers on it.
The Bible is not a feel-good book for people who ignore suffering.
It’s a raw, honest story of a God who enters into our suffering.
Not to explain it away—but to redeem it.

At the center of Christianity is not a God who avoids evil—but a God who endured it.
Who wept. Who was betrayed. Tortured. Killed.
Not because He was weak, but because love demanded it.

You may not accept that. But can we agree: that is not the story of a God who is indifferent.

 

[Namshakende]

You talk about the journeys of C.S. Lewis, Lee Strobel, and Antony Flew. You say that they are good examples of people who went from not believing in God to believing through using their brains. But could it be said that these are just a few examples, and that the majority of equally smart people who hear similar arguments are not convinced? If so, what can we say about the strength of the argument that atheism is less rational than theism?

 

[mshamba_hachekwi]

Maadili hayatokani na mungu, yanatokana na ujumuikaji.

Maovu hayawezi kuwa shuhuda wa uwepo wa mungu mwenye upendo, kwasababu angeweza kuumba dunia isiyo na maovu, na akaipa maana.

Sayansi ni pana, inakua kila siku. Unaweza kuitumia utakavyo kutetea uwepo wa mungu lakini kuna hoja nyingine kibao zinazopinga.

 

[mshamba_hachekwi]

what is evil, really?

Maovu ni mambo yanayozuia ustawi wa jamii, kuanzia mtu binafsi, mpaka jumuiya.

 

[Setfree]

You talk about the journeys of C.S. Lewis, Lee Strobel, and Antony Flew. You say that they are good examples of people who went from not believing in God to believing through using their brains. But could it be said that these are just a few examples, and that the majority of equally smart people who hear similar arguments are not convinced? If so, what can we say about the strength of the argument that atheism is less rational than theism?

Yes, chief. You're right—there are intelligent people on both sides. The point isn't that everyone smart becomes a theist, but that rationality isn't exclusive to atheism. The journeys of Lewis, Strobel, and Flew show that belief in God isn’t the result of abandoning reason, but often the result of following it. So the real question isn’t “how many believe?” but “which worldview best explains reality—morality, meaning, consciousness, the origin of the universe?” That’s where the conversation gets interesting!!

 

[Namshakende]

Yes, chief. You're right—there are intelligent people on both sides. The point isn't that everyone smart becomes a theist, but that rationality isn't exclusive to atheism. The journeys of Lewis, Strobel, and Flew show that belief in God isn’t the result of abandoning reason, but often the result of following it. So the real question isn’t “how many believe?” but “which worldview best explains reality—morality, meaning, consciousness, the origin of the universe?” That’s where the conversation gets interesting!!

You're so right to say that the most important thing is to work out which way of thinking best explains the most basic parts of reality, like what's right and wrong, what gives life meaning, where we come from, and why the universe exists.

When we're considering these explanations, what specific criteria or philosophical principles do you think are the most reliable for determining which worldview offers the best explanation?

And how do you weigh things like how well it explains things against how simple it is, how easy it is to test (if that's relevant), and how well it matches up with other things we already know?

And another thing how do you think the theistic explanations for these phenomena offered by Lewis, Strobel, and Flew compare to naturalistic ones, once we've thought about these criteria?

 

[Setfree]

Unless I'm mistaken, Kiranga said: “Christians just don’t understand logic, and those who do cling to faith out of cognitive dissonance.”
But respectfully—I’d argue that cognitive dissonance goes both ways.
Think about it:
• You believe in moral justice… but deny any objective standard.
• You feel your life has purpose… but say the universe has none.
• You argue with passion for truth… while insisting all beliefs are accidents of biology. Isn’t it possible that you, too, are suppressing something you already know deep down?

People like C.S. Lewis, Lee Strobel, and Antony Flew—brilliant minds—were once where you are. They weren’t unthinking. They weren’t emotional. They followed the evidence. And it led them not away from faith—but toward it.

So I ask you, not to throw away your reason, but to take it further.

Question everything—even your own assumptions.
Be skeptical of your skepticism.
And if you’ve ever whispered to yourself: “There has to be more than this,”

I invite you—gently, respectfully—to explore the story of Christianity. Not as a myth. Not as a fairy tale. But as a claim worth testing. Start with Jesus. Examine His life, His death, and the resurrection claim. Bring your best questions. Christianity has room for them. And if it turns out to be true—imagine what that would mean: That your longing for justice is not an illusion. That your hunger for meaning is not naïve. That evil is not the end of the story. I’m not asking you to convert today. I’m asking you to be curious. Because if you’re brave enough to keep questioning... you might just find that Truth has been quietly pursuing you all along.

Thank you, once again!!

 

[Setfree]

Maovu hayawezi kuwa shuhuda wa uwepo wa mungu mwenye upendo, kwasababu angeweza kuumba dunia isiyo na maovu, na akaipa maana.

Mungu aliumba dunia isiyokuwa na maovu. Uovu ulianza baada ya wanadamu wa kwanza kuasi agizo la Mungu.
Mwanzo 1:31
Mungu akaona kila kitu alichokiumba ni chema kabisa.

 

[mshamba_hachekwi]

Mungu aliumba dunia isiyokuwa na maovu. Uovu ulianza baada ya wanadamu wa kwanza kuasi agizo la Mungu.
Mwanzo 1:31
Mungu akaona kila kitu alichokiumba ni chema kabisa.

Kimantiki, kwa mitazamo ya kidini, kitu hakiwezi kuwepo bila mungu kuruhusu.

 

[Mwl.RCT]

Briefing : "Dear Atheists, this thread’s for you — Everyone else, keep scrolling!"​

Source: Excerpts from a JamiiForums thread titled "Dear Atheists, this thread’s for you — Everyone else, keep scrolling!" initiated by user "Setfree" .

Main Theme: The thread aims to respectfully engage with atheists, suggesting that their skepticism and intellectual rigor are not barriers to faith but potential pathways towards it. The author presents arguments for theism based on reason and evidence, highlighting the journeys of former atheists who converted to Christianity. A central focus is the "problem of evil" and how it can paradoxically point towards a moral standard and a moral God.

Key Ideas and Facts:

1. Respectful Engagement with Atheists: The thread begins with a tone of genuine respect for atheists' intelligence, questions, and skepticism. Setfree states, "Hello Atheists! I want to begin with respect—genuine respect for your intelligence, your questions, and your skepticism. I know many of you value logic over emotion, evidence over tradition. I do too." This establishes a non-confrontational approach.
   
   
2. Conversion Stories of Former Atheists: The core of the argument relies on the examples of three prominent individuals who were once "deeply committed to atheism" but later embraced faith through intellectual reasoning:

• C.S. Lewis: An Oxford professor and literary critic who initially saw religion as a myth. His conversion stemmed from wrestling with the question of universal morality and the problem of evil. He reasoned that the inherent human belief in right and wrong necessitates a higher moral standard and a source beyond humanity. Regarding the problem of evil, Lewis realized that the very recognition of injustice implies a standard of justice: " A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. " He concluded that evil is not a contradiction to God's existence but a clue to it, stating, " I believe in Christianity as I believe the sun has risen—not only because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else."
  
  
• Lee Strobel: A Yale-trained journalist and outspoken atheist who initially sought to disprove Christianity after his wife's conversion. Through investigative research into historical and scientific evidence, he found the evidence for Jesus' life, death, and resurrection to be compelling. Strobel admitted, " “To continue in atheism, I would have to believe far more against the evidence than I ever did as a skeptic.” "
  
  
• Antony Flew: A leading atheist philosopher for over 50 years who later changed his mind due to scientific discoveries, particularly the complexity of DNA and the fine-tuning of the universe, which he believed pointed towards an intelligent creator. His guiding principle was, " “We must follow the evidence, wherever it leads.” "

1. The Problem of Evil as a Doorway: Setfree addresses the "problem of evil" (or the Epicurean Paradox) – the apparent contradiction between an all-good, all-powerful God and the existence of evil and suffering. He argues that the very human recognition of evil implies an objective moral standard, which cannot be accounted for in a purely materialistic and chance-driven universe. He quotes C.S. Lewis: "If the universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning." Setfree posits that our outrage at evil is a "signpost" indicating that "we were made for something better, something good. And that Goodness is not an illusion—but a Person."
   
   
2. Further Examples of Converted Intellectuals: Beyond the initial three, the thread mentions Francis Collins, former director of the Human Genome Project, and Alister McGrath, another Oxford scientist and former atheist, as individuals who found Christianity intellectually and spiritually coherent after being skeptical. McGrath is quoted saying, " Atheism turned out to be too simple. It couldn’t answer the deepest questions of life. "
   
   
3. Faith as a Step into the Light Guided by Reason: The author emphasizes that Christian faith is not a blind leap but a reasoned step based on evidence and experience. "The Christian faith doesn't ask you to stop thinking—it invites you to think more deeply, more honestly."
   
   
4. Addressing the "How Many Believe?" Argument: In response to a user ("Namshakende") who pointed out that many intelligent people remain unconvinced by theistic arguments, Setfree acknowledges this but argues that the focus should be on which worldview best explains fundamental aspects of reality like morality, meaning, consciousness, and the origin of the universe. "The point isn't that everyone smart becomes a theist, but that rationality isn't exclusive to atheism... the real question isn’t “how many believe?” but “which worldview best explains reality—morality, meaning, consciousness, the origin of the universe?”"
   
   
5. Cognitive Dissonance and Self-Examination: Setfree suggests that cognitive dissonance might exist on both sides of the debate. He poses rhetorical questions to atheists, highlighting potential inconsistencies between their beliefs (e.g., belief in moral justice without an objective standard, a sense of purpose in a purposeless universe) and their materialistic worldview. "Isn’t it possible that you, too, are suppressing something you already know deep down?" He encourages self-reflection and questioning of one's own assumptions.
   
   
6. Christianity's Centrality of Suffering: Setfree argues that Christianity does not shy away from the reality of evil and suffering but rather "centers on it." He emphasizes the narrative of a God who " enters into our suffering... Not to explain it away—but to redeem it." The crucifixion of Jesus is presented as the ultimate example of a God who endured evil out of love, demonstrating that God is not indifferent to suffering.
   
   
7. The Origin of Evil in Christian Theology: In response to a comment ("mshamba_hachekwi") stating that a loving God could have created a world without evil, Setfree offers the theological explanation from Genesis 1:31 (" Mungu akaona kila kitu alichokiumba ni chema kabisa." - God saw everything he had created, and it was very good), suggesting that evil entered the world through the rebellion of the first humans against God's command.
   
   
8. Invitation to Explore Christianity: The thread concludes with a repeated invitation for atheists to explore Christianity with open minds, to ask tough questions, scrutinize claims, and consider the possibility of a "bigger story" where the longing for meaning, truth, love, and justice reflects a "divine reality." The invitation is not to blind belief but to a personal God who engages both the mind and the heart.

Overall Significance: The thread represents an attempt at reasoned and respectful dialogue between theistic and atheistic perspectives. It utilizes the conversion stories of well-known intellectuals and philosophical arguments, particularly concerning morality and the problem of evil, to challenge atheistic assumptions and invite further exploration of Christian faith. The author consistently emphasizes the role of reason and evidence in the journey towards belief.

 

[Setfree]

Briefing : "Dear Atheists, this thread’s for you​

Source: Excerpts from a JamiiForums thread titled "Dear Atheists, this thread’s for you — Everyone else, keep scrolling!" initiated by user "Setfree"

Hi Mwl.RCT,
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May God richly bless you!

 

[Mwl.RCT]

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[Infropreneur]

You are just trying to defend a fictional character.

The fact that an almighty God and all powerful God needs humans like you to speak for him and defend him, It's a prove that he doesn't exist.

If that God exists, let him come to speak for himself.

Why are you struggling to speak on his behalf?

If that God is capable, Let him reveal and speak for himself.

 

[Infropreneur]

Mungu aliumba dunia isiyokuwa na maovu. Uovu ulianza baada ya wanadamu wa kwanza kuasi agizo la Mungu.

Huyo Mungu kwa nini aliumba binadamu wenye uwezo wa kuasi na kuleta maovu?

Huyo Mungu alishindwaje kuumba wanadamu wema tu, wasio na uwezo wa kuasi na kuleta maovu?

Je Mungu mjuzi wa vyote( An omniscient God) Hakujua?

Au alisahau?

Au alifanya makusudi tu?

Mwanzo 1:31
Mungu akaona kila kitu alichokiumba ni chema kabisa.

Kama huyo Mungu aliumba kila kitu chema kabisa, Binadamu alipata wapi uwezo wa kuasi?

Kama binadamu aliweza kuasi, Si ina maana kwamba huyo Mungu hakuumba kila kitu chema?

Ndio maana binadamu aliweza kuasi.

Do u get the point?