Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania

Bantugbro said:

Wee ndio hujaelewa, unaonekana ni mwanafunzi mbaya, ngoja niandike kwa swahili ya huko Kenyaland.

Kwenye ujenzi wa SGR kuna transmission line yenye kubeba stima ya msongo mkubwa wenye Kv 220 kutoka kwenye power generation plants hadi kwenye SGR substations. Halafu kuna overheard catenary power line ambayo inachukua stima iliyopoozwa na substations kutoka msongo mkubwa kua msongo mdogo wa Kv 25 suitable kwa matumizi ya treni. Hizi catenary lines ndio zile unazoziona pale pembeni na juu ya reli kwa ajili ya kulisha train.

Sasa TANESCO wao kwa pesa zao wanajenga, wanamiliki transmission line na watatoa huduma za stima kutoka kwenye generation plant zao kupitia hio transmission line yao.

Budget ya ujenzi wa SGR kwa serikali inahusisha gharamia ujenzi wa reli, stations, catenary power lines na vitu vingine lakini sio transmission line.

Baada ya ujenzi kukamiika na shughuli kuanza, TRC watakua wananunua stima ya kendesha trani kutokaTANESCO.

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Bantugbro said:

Wee ndio hujaelewa, unaonekana ni mwanafunzi mbaya, ngoja niandike kwa swahili ya huko Kenyaland.

Kwenye ujenzi wa SGR kuna transmission line yenye kubeba stima ya msongo mkubwa wenye Kv 220 kutoka kwenye power generation plants hadi kwenye SGR substations. Halafu kuna overheard catenary power line ambayo inachukua stima iliyopoozwa na substations kutoka msongo mkubwa kua msongo mdogo wa Kv 25 suitable kwa matumizi ya treni. Hizi catenary lines ndio zile unazoziona pale pembeni na juu ya reli kwa ajili ya kulisha train.

Sasa TANESCO wao kwa pesa zao wanajenga, wanamiliki transmission line na watatoa huduma za stima kutoka kwenye generation plant zao kupitia hio transmission line yao.

Budget ya ujenzi wa SGR kwa serikali inahusisha gharamia ujenzi wa reli, stations, catenary power lines na vitu vingine lakini sio transmission line.

Baada ya ujenzi kukamiika na shughuli kuanza, TRC watakua wananunua stima ya kendesha trani kutokaTANESCO.

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Bantu-Gumborooo!!!!!

Acha utoro wa shule, punguza chang'aa kijana...

NairobiWalker said:

Bantu-Gumborooo!!!!!

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Bantugbro said:

Acha utoro wa shule, punguza chang'aa kijana...

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Utoro ndio nini Bantu-Gumborooo?

Bantugbro said:

..hivi kwani wewe unapotumia stima hapo kwako ni nani mwenye wajibu wa kuhakikisha kuwa the transmission infrastructure ipo ili upate hio stima?

The SGR electricity transmission line will be build, owned and operated by TANESCO in such a way that TRC will be paying the cost of using electricity....However, the cost of installing catenary poles along the line will be covered by the government as part of the overall SGR build cost.

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Once again mna confuse mambo The transmission line is not the catenary line....
The Catenary line is part of the project built by Yepi........ it is the one that would provide the overhead line 1m above the train. This is not the line that will be built and operated by TANESCO! this one belongs to yepi/TRC.

But that catenary line will need to be powered by a power source, so because of reliability issues TRC/YEPI requested TANESCO to build a separate transmission line along the route in order to provide reliable power along the route, this transmission line is separate from the catenary line.

As shown in the video, this is the TANESCO TL, without this TL the project would not be posible as said in the ESIA report by YEPI





And for the sake of saving time so we don't spend all day arguing from a confused point of view

these are the catenary lines, these one are in the $1.9B budget, no arguments here





While the first pic by TRC is the transmission line that will be exclusively used by the SGR

Here is another pic that shows the TL (which is not the catenary line)


when complete the TL will look like this







without the TL, the centenary line would not get dedicated power to run the train, which would mean the substations will depend only on the power connection from the nearby town where the sub-station is located, that would mean if the local town experiences a blackout, the substation will have to be powered by generators in order to feed power to the catenery line. And hence the need for the TL which runs along the route providing dedicated power to every sub-station along the route.
This TL is the one that i'm saying is not part of the $1.9B project, its a separate project with a separate budget for which if the TL did not exists, the SGR would be very unreliable. So when you count the cost of your project,do'nt forget to add the cost o that TL.

Hebu rudia tena kusoma post zangu, I have explained to you all of that, punguza ujuaji...

Kafrican said:

Once again mna confuse mambo The transmission line is not the catenary line....
The Catenary line is part of the project built by Yepi........ it is the one that would provide the overhead line 1m above the train. This is not the line that will be built and operated by TANESCO! this one belongs to yepi/TRC.

But that catenary line will need to be powered by a power source, so because of reliability issues TRC/YEPI requested TANESCO to build a separate transmission line along the route in order to provide reliable power along the route, this transmission line is separate from the catenary line.

As shown in the video, this is the TANESCO TL, without this TL the project would not be posible as said in the ESIA report by YEPI





And for the sake of saving time so we don't spend all day arguing from a confused point of view

these are the catenary lines, these one are in the $1.9B budget, no arguments here





While the first pic by TRC is the transmission line that will be exclusively used by the SGR

Here is another pic that shows the TL (which is not the catenary line)
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when complete the TL will look like this

without the TL, the centenary line would not get dedicated power to run the train, which would mean the substations will depend only on the power connection from the nearby town where the sub-station is located, that would mean if the local town experiences a blackout, the substation will have to be powered by generators in order to feed power to the catenery line. And hence the need for the TL which runs along the route providing dedicated power to every sub-station along the route.
This TL is the one that i'm saying is not part of the $1.9B project, its a separate project with a separate budget for which if the TL did not exists, the SGR would be very unreliable. So when you count the cost of your project,do'nt forget to add the cost o that TL.

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Bantugbro said:

Hebu rudia tena kusoma post zangu, I have explained to you all of that, punguza ujuaji...

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anajikuta mjuaji sana hutafikiri ni mmoja wa wajumbe wa bodi.. no comment further!

sijawah kucomment humu ila leo imebidi

Kafrican said:

Once again mna confuse mambo The transmission line is not the catenary line....
The Catenary line is part of the project built by Yepi........ it is the one that would provide the overhead line 1m above the train. This is not the line that will be built and operated by TANESCO! this one belongs to yepi/TRC.

But that catenary line will need to be powered by a power source, so because of reliability issues TRC/YEPI requested TANESCO to build a separate transmission line along the route in order to provide reliable power along the route, this transmission line is separate from the catenary line.

As shown in the video, this is the TANESCO TL, without this TL the project would not be posible as said in the ESIA report by YEPI





And for the sake of saving time so we don't spend all day arguing from a confused point of view

these are the catenary lines, these one are in the $1.9B budget, no arguments here





While the first pic by TRC is the transmission line that will be exclusively used by the SGR

Here is another pic that shows the TL (which is not the catenary line)
View attachment 1332921

when complete the TL will look like this

without the TL, the centenary line would not get dedicated power to run the train, which would mean the substations will depend only on the power connection from the nearby town where the sub-station is located, that would mean if the local town experiences a blackout, the substation will have to be powered by generators in order to feed power to the catenery line. And hence the need for the TL which runs along the route providing dedicated power to every sub-station along the route.
This TL is the one that i'm saying is not part of the $1.9B project, its a separate project with a separate budget for which if the TL did not exists, the SGR would be very unreliable. So when you count the cost of your project,do'nt forget to add the cost o that TL.

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Now tell us why should SGR Tanzania cover the cost of TL while Tanesco is legally binded to transmit power across Tanzania as a sole distributor of power?

SGR Tanzania progress..

Geza Ulole said:

Now tell us why should SGR Tanzania cover the cost of TL while Tanesco is legally binded to transmit power across Tanzania as a sole distributor of power?

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This is not a question of who is the distributor of power in Tz, this is a question of who pays for a transmission line that is used by 1 single customer.
TANESCO's job would have been to get power the SGR, e.g to Dar substation, pugu substation, ruvu substation....etc using existing power distribution lines found nearby - however they see fit.

However in this case, TANESCO was basically ordered to build a separate dedicated transmission line using its own money to be used exclusively by the SGR. Therefore the cost of building the TL can be added on top of the $1.9B project since no other customer can use the transmission line.

Kafrican said:

This is not a question of who is the distributor of power in Tz, this is a question of who pays for a transmission line that is used by 1 single customer.
TANESCO's job would have been to get power the SGR, e.g to Dar substation, pugu substation, ruvu substation....etc using existing power distribution lines found nearby - however they see fit.

However in this case, TANESCO was basically ordered to build a separate dedicated transmission line using its own money to be used exclusively by the SGR. Therefore the cost of building the TL can be added on top of the $1.9B project since no other customer can use the transmission line.

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But Tanzania Railways is a customer right? BTW the cost of Dar-Morogoro is $1.2 bln n not $1.9bln! $1.9bln is the cost for Morogoro to Makutupora! As we speak Tanesco is building not less than 4 TL across the country n longer than Dar-Moro!

Kafrican said:

This is not a question of who is the distributor of power in Tz, this is a question of who pays for a transmission line that is used by 1 single customer.
TANESCO's job would have been to get power the SGR, e.g to Dar substation, pugu substation, ruvu substation....etc using existing power distribution lines found nearby - however they see fit.

However in this case, TANESCO was basically ordered to build a separate dedicated transmission line using its own money to be used exclusively by the SGR. Therefore the cost of building the TL can be added on top of the $1.9B project since no other customer can use the transmission line.

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kwanza nakushauri punguza ujuaji kwanza!!

pili, una uhakika hio transmission line inajengwa exclusively kwa ajili ya SGR tu?? .. kukujuza mim ni engineer nipo kinyerezi! .. nakushauri punguza ujuaji!!

Simon said:

kwanza nakushauri punguza ujuaji kwanza!!

pili, una uhakika hio transmission line inajengwa exclusively kwa ajili ya SGR tu?? .. kukujuza mim ni engineer nipo kinyerezi! .. nakushauri punguza ujuaji!!

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anajulikana maumivu ya kupigwa mradi wao wa mtambo wa chang'aa yanamfanya aanze kulazimisha mambo! BTW inaonekana daraja la Ruvu ni refu! Litakuwa na urefu gani in total? Maana structures zinazojengwa ni hatari!

Geza Ulole said:

anajulikana maumivu ya kupigwa mradi wao wa mtambo wa chang'aa yanamfanya aanze kulazimisha mambo! BTW inaonekana daraja la Ruvu ni refu! Litakuwa na urefu gani in total? Maana structures zinazojengwa ni hatari!

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sihusiki na ujenzi wa SGR ila partially nahusika na umeme wa Kinyerezi kwenda SGR.

Engineers tuliwahi kufanya ziara kutembelea huo mradi, eneo la Ruvu tuliambiwa kuna madaraja mengi yatajengwa hapo (sio daraja moja tu, ni madaraja) ila total ya madara hayo yatakuwa zaidi ya kilometer 3... kama wakiamua liwe daraja moja basi litakuwa na zaid ya kilometers 3.

ukiangalia video ya Yerp.. hii picha ya chini inaonyesha eneo la Ruvu.. na hizo kilometers ni za eneo la Ruvu tu kweny madaraja

km 76+500 - 80+000 maana yake hilo eneo lipo kati km 76.5 na km 80.0 kutoka Dar es Salaam (0.0 km)

Simon said:

sihusiki na ujenzi wa SGR ila partially nahusika na umeme wa Kinyerezi kwenda SGR.

Engineers tuliwahi kufanya ziara kutembelea huo mradi, eneo la Ruvu tuliambiwa kuna madaraja mengi yatajengwa hapo (sio daraja moja tu, ni madaraja mengi) ila total ya madara hayo yatakuwa zaidi ya kilometer 3

ukiangalia video ya Yerp.. hii picha ya chini inaonyesha eneo la Ruvu.. na hizo kilometers ni za eneo la Ruvu tu kweny madaraja

km 76+500 - 80+000 maana yake hilo eneo lipo kati km 76.5 na km 80.0 kutoka Dar es Salaam (0.0 km)
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Ohk sasa nimeelewa!

wale wa Tsavo viaduct na Athi River na kudai ndo maana gharama kubwa mbona sie tuna viaduct 2 km Dar station to Shaurimoyo then 3 km bridge across Ruvu River, marshy and riparian area na hatuongelei gharama? Wale wa 2.6 km Athi River super bridge mko wapi? Kafrican leta ng'eng'eng'ee ya Mtungi wa chang'aa?
Teargass n Kafrican

Mombasa-Nairobi Standard Gauge Railway Project
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PROJECT TYPE
New railway line
START OF CONSTRUCTION
2013
EXPECTED COMPLETION
2017
LENGTH
609km
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May 2014, China Exim Bank will fund 70% of the project. Image courtesy of China Road and Bridge Corporation.

The Mombasa-Nairobi line, the first phase of the standard gauge railway project, will connect the port city to Kenya’s capital.


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According to a financial agreement signed between Kenya and China on 11




May 2014, China Exim Bank will fund 70% of the project. Image courtesy of China Road and Bridge Corporation.

The Mombasa-Nairobi line, the first phase of the standard gauge railway project, will connect the port city to Kenya’s capital.


Kenya Railways Corporation is developing a new standard gauge railway (SGR) line for passengers and cargo transportation between Mombasa, the largest port in East Africa, and Nairobi, the capital city of Kenya.

The new railway line constitutes the first phase of the SGR project that aims to connect Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda and South Sudan.

The Mombasa-Nairobi SGR is the biggest infrastructure project in Kenya since independence. It will shorten the passenger travel time from Mombasa to Nairobi from more than ten hours to a little more than four hours. Freight trains will complete the journey in less than eight hours.

Construction of the 609km-long line began in October 2013 and is scheduled to be completed by December 2017. At least 60 new jobs a kilometre of track or approximately 30,000 jobs are expected to be created during the construction.

The Mombasa-Nairobi phase of the project is estimated to cost KES327bn ($3.8bn). China Exim Bank will provide 90% of the financing while the remaining 10% will be contributed by the Kenyan Government.

Details of the standard gauge railway project
The SGR project is proposed to connect Mombasa to Malaba on the border with Uganda and continue onward to Kampala, Uganda’s capital city. It will further run to Kigali in Rwanda with a branch line to Juba in South Sudan. Branch lines along the route will extend to Kisumu, Kasese and Pakwach.

The SGR is a flagship project under the Kenya Vision 2030 development agenda. It will simplify transport operations across the borders and reduce travel costs, apart from benefiting the economies of Kenya and the neighbouring countries.

The governments of Kenya and Uganda signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) in October 2009 to construct the SGR from Mombasa to Kampala. A tripartite agreement was signed by the governments of Kenya, Uganda and Rwanda in August 2013 to fast track the development of the railway to their respective capital cities.

The Ugandan section of the SGR line was launched in October 2014. The SGR line from Mombasa to Kigali is expected to be completed by 2018. Kenya Railways Corporation is responsible for the construction of the 1,300km-long track inside Kenya from Mombasa to Malaba via Nairobi.

Details of the Mombasa-Nairobi SGR line
The single-track standard gauge railway between Mombasa and Nairobi will have a route length of 472km and a total length of 609km. It will run through the counties of Mombasa, Kilifi, Kwale, Taita-Taveta, Makueni, Kajiado, Machakos and Nairobi.

The Class 1 line will have a superior design catering to robust and low-maintenance requirement. The new line will run parallel to the existing meter gauge railway and the Mombasa-Nairobi Road or A109 Highway for the most part. It will deviate at certain points to attain the desired gradient and curvature.

State-of-the-art passenger stations will be built at Mombasa and Nairobi, as well as five other intermediate stations at Mariakani, Voi, MtitoAndei, Sultan Hamud and AthiRiver. A total of 40 stations are planned to be built along the line, 33 out of which will be ready when the railway becomes operational.

The freight terminals will be located at the Mombasa port and the Inland Container Depots at Embakasi in Nairobi. The railway line is designed to carry 22 million tonnes a year of cargo or a projected 40% of Mombasa Port throughput by 2035.

The challenges posed by the steep incline and ragged terrain of the Miritini to Mazeras section will be overcome by constructing long viaducts, deep cuttings and high embankments.

Fencing will be provided throughout the Tsavo National Park along the route and underpassages will be built for wild animals at short intervals.

Rolling stock of the SGR line
The line will initially carry diesel cars while electrification is possible in future. Multiple unit passenger trains having a capacity of 960 passengers will travel at an average speed of 120km/h on the line.

Freight trains will have a capacity of 216 TEUs and travel at an average speed of 80km/h. A typical freight train on the line will consist of 54 double stack flat wagons and measure 880m-long.

China will supply the initial rolling stock comprising 56 diesel locomotives, 1,620 wagons and 40 coaches.

Contractors involved
China Road and Bridge Corporation, a subsidiary of China Communications Construction Co., was contracted to build the project according to Chinese railway design standards.

Standard Gauge Railway
February 22, 2016Derick Joseph5 CommentsUncategorized
The Governments of Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda and South Sudan have committed to provide high capacity and cost effective railway transport within the Northern Corridor. The railway line will be of Standard Gauge technology. It will have a uniform design specification which will permit seamless operation across the borders of the countries with each country responsible for construction of the section that lies within its borders. On its part, the Government of the Republic of Kenya has identified two corridors for the development of the modern, high-capacity Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) transport system for both freight and passengers. PHASE 1: MOMBASA – NAIROBI SGR PROJECT The construction of the Mombasa – Nairobi SGR Project commenced on 12th December, 2014 under an Engineering, Procurement and Construction (EPC) contract with China Road and Bridge Corporation (CRBC). As at November, 2015, remarkable achievements have been made on civil works construction including earthworks, drainage structures, and embankment slope protection. Progress is at 60% achievement. Phase 1 Elements

• Build single line standard gauge railway connecting Mombasa to Nairobi
• Route length = 472 kilometres
• Total track length = 609 kilometres
• Build state of the art stations at Mombasa, Voi and Nairobi. This will incorporate freight exchange and passengers centres.
• The line will have 23 crossing stations at various points which include Mariakani, Miasenyi, Voi, Mtito Andei, Kibwezi, Emali and Athi River.
• 98 Bridges covering 29 Km of the railway line will be built and used to span valleys, cross roads and areas where the SGR crosses the existing Metre Gauge Railway
• Nine Wildlife Animal Crossing Corridors have been erected within Tsavo East and Tsavo West National parks for wildlife to pass under the SGR line. The crossing corridors are over 7 metres high, and at least 56 metres long
• Freight Trains will travel at 80Km/Hr and Passenger Trains at 120Km/Hr
• Completion Date – 1st June 2017
• Project’s progress is ahead of schedule

Kafrican said:

Si nilikwambia mimi usubiri mwishowe tutaona ukweli, ukabaki ukinitukana ukisema sijui kitu. Nikakwambia mimi nilitoa information kutoka kwa ripoti ya Yepi kwahivyo ukinipinga ulikua unapinga ripoti ya yepi markezi wenyewe!!!!


NIlikwambia kwamba 220kv dedicated transmission line ya SGR haiko ndani ya ile $1.9B garama ya ujenzi wa SGR yenu inayojengwa na Yepi, Yepi wenyewe walisema hio garama iko kando, ya kwamba ni TANESCO ndo watajenga na kugaramia ...

Sasa angalia hii video kutoka kwa TRC wenyewe From 3:24 wanaonngelea kuhusu hio transmission line inayojengwa na TANESCO kutoka Dar hadi Moro.. Kumbuka hii ni dedicated line kwahivyo itatumika exclusively kwa SGR operations.


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Kwahivyo ukipiga hesabu zenu za ujenzi wa reli, kumbuka kando na hio $1.9B ya ujenzi bado kuna

1. Garama ya 220kv transmission line from Dar to Kingolwira
2. Garama ya vichwa 16 vya treni
3. Garama ya mabehewa 1,400
etc



Ukijumlisha hivyo vyote ambavyo kwa sasa hatujaambiwa gharama yake ndo utapata garama halisi ya SGR yenu!

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DAR ES SALAAM, July 6 (Xinhua) -- Tanzanian authorities said on Saturday the first phase operation of the standard gauge railway (SGR) between the business capital Dar es Salaam and Morogoro covering about 200 kilometers was set to commence in December 2019.

Isack Kamwele, the east African nation's Minister for Works, Transport and Communication, said in a news conference in Dar es Salaam that procurement process for wagons and locomotive engines has been completed.

Kamwele said procurement of 1,430 cargo wagons, 20 locomotives, 60 passenger carriages and five sets of multiple trains has begun.

"We have already set some funds to purchase the engines and we expect by this December the maiden operation of SGR from Dar es Salaam to Morogoro will start," said him.

Kamwele directed the Tanzania Railways Corporation (TRC) authorities to ensure some local sub-contractors were paid on time to speed up the construction process and avoid corruption within the SGR project.

"The contractor of SGR project is so far doing a good job, unfortunately, I have been receiving some complaints from sub-contractors that the contractor was delaying to pay them," he said.

"Once local contractors do their work they should be paid on time to avoid delaying the SGR project," said the minister. Enditem


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Kafrican said:

Once again mna confuse mambo The transmission line is not the catenary line....
The Catenary line is part of the project built by Yepi........ it is the one that would provide the overhead line 1m above the train. This is not the line that will be built and operated by TANESCO! this one belongs to yepi/TRC.

But that catenary line will need to be powered by a power source, so because of reliability issues TRC/YEPI requested TANESCO to build a separate transmission line along the route in order to provide reliable power along the route, this transmission line is separate from the catenary line.

As shown in the video, this is the TANESCO TL, without this TL the project would not be posible as said in the ESIA report by YEPI





And for the sake of saving time so we don't spend all day arguing from a confused point of view

these are the catenary lines, these one are in the $1.9B budget, no arguments here





While the first pic by TRC is the transmission line that will be exclusively used by the SGR

Here is another pic that shows the TL (which is not the catenary line)
View attachment 1332921

when complete the TL will look like this

without the TL, the centenary line would not get dedicated power to run the train, which would mean the substations will depend only on the power connection from the nearby town where the sub-station is located, that would mean if the local town experiences a blackout, the substation will have to be powered by generators in order to feed power to the catenery line. And hence the need for the TL which runs along the route providing dedicated power to every sub-station along the route.
This TL is the one that i'm saying is not part of the $1.9B project, its a separate project with a separate budget for which if the TL did not exists, the SGR would be very unreliable. So when you count the cost of your project,do'nt forget to add the cost o that TL.

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Jamaa kaelezea vivyo hivyo we unarudia tu hapa..hivi kwa nini nyie wakenya mna kichwa ngumu kuelewa?