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Archbishop attacks Cameron's 'gay marriage' plan

David Cameron is facing a backlash from religious leaders after saying he supported plans to legalise gay marriage.


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David Cameron and his wife Samantha embrace after his keynote speech Photo: GETTY

The Prime Minister said "commitment" in relationships should be valued regardless of whether it involved "a man and a woman, a woman and a woman, or a man and another man".

But the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales and the Church of England are likely to lodge formal objections to the move when the Coalition launches an official consultation next year.

Speaking to the Conservative Party Conference in Manchester, Mr Cameron said: "We're consulting on legalising gay marriage. To anyone who has reservations, I say: Yes, it's about equality, but it's also about something else: commitment.

"Conservatives believe in the ties that bind us; that society is stronger when we make vows to each other and support each other.

"So I don't support gay marriage despite being a Conservative. I support gay marriage because I'm a Conservative."

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Under Coalition reforms, churches, synagogues and other faith centres will be able to host same-sex civil partnership registration ceremonies for the first time, including the use of religious music.
Ministers will begin a separate consultation on whether to redefine civil "marriage" to include same-sex couples in the spring.
The gay rights group Stonewall and other campaigners for homosexual equality welcomed Mr Cameron's words. Chris Bryant, the Labour MP, who is in a civil partnership, said on Twitter: "I hear Cameron backed gay marriage. If so I warmly applaud him."
However, the Prime Minister was immediately criticised by Christian leaders.
The Most Rev Peter Smith, the Archbishop of Southwark and one of the most senior Roman Catholics in the country, said the state must not attempt to redefine marriage.
"Whilst we welcome the Prime Minister's support of marriage, family life and especially the care of children, the proposed redefinition of marriage cannot be right," he said.
"Marriage by its very nature is between a man and a woman and it is the essential foundation of family life. The state should uphold this common understanding of marriage rather than attempting to change its meaning."
The Catholic Bishop of Arundel and Brighton, the Rt Rev Kieran Conry, warned that Mr Cameron would not be given "an easy ride on this".
"I think the Church will have to do something. We can't just let this slide by and say we are not interested," he said.
"It is the question of protecting the particular, specific institution of marriage and its specific character as the permanent union of a man and a woman who would then bring up their own children."
Bishop Conry stressed that the Catholic Church supported civil partnerships, which confer the same rights to gay couples as marriage, because they give better legal protection to individuals in matters including inheritance. However, he questioned the need to allow homosexual couples to use the term "marriage".
The Church of England is also likely to oppose the reforms. In response to the Prime Minister's speech, a spokesman for the Church of England said: "The Church's view remains of marriage as the life-long union between a man and a woman."
Andrea Williams, director of Christian Concern, said Prime Minister's attempt to redefine marriage would have "catastrophic consequences" for society. "The complementary union of a man and a woman in marriage is where love, life, stability and the full flourishing of society begins. He ignores this fundamental principle at his peril."
Dr Dave Landrum, director of advocacy at the Evangelical Alliance said: "In seeking to re-define marriage David Cameron may have kept the coalition happy, but may also have signalled the end of conservatism. If you can't conserve the institution of marriage, what can you conserve?

Archbishop attacks Cameron's 'gay marriage' plan - Telegraph

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    Mabvuto Phiri, AfricaNews reporter in Lusaka, Zambia
    Several African nations are responding with anger after UK Prime Minister David Cameron threatened to slash one type of bilateral aid known as general budget support to countries that refuse to reform laws which criminalize homosexuality.
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    In Malawi, Government and religious leaders say it was unfortunate for UK Prime Minister David Cameron to say that the country and other Commonwealth nations receiving British aid should respect gay rights.

    Cameron said after Commonwealth summit that his administration would use the budget support to ensure that human rights abuses against homosexuals come to an end.

    Malawi government spokesperson Patricia Kaliati said it was "unfortunate" for Britain to have "pro-gay strings" to aid.

    According to Nyasa times, Homosexual acts are illegal in Malawi and noted that these laws are a legacy of British rule.

    During BBC's Andrew Marr Show, Cameron threatened to withhold UK aid from countries including Malawi that do not reform legislation banning homosexuality, adding that nations receiving UK aid should "adhere to proper human rights."

    "Britain is one of the premier aid givers in the world," Cameron said. "We want to see countries that receive our aid adhering to proper human rights."

    Cameron hinted that Malawi, Uganda, Nigeria and Ghana could be the first victims of the policy change.

    Malawi has already had some of its budget support suspended over concerns about its attitude to gay rights.

    UK Prime Minister's threat applies only to one type of bilateral aid known as general budget support, and would not reduce the overall amount of aid to any one country.

    President Bingu wa Mutharika, who attended the Commonwealth summit, defends Malawi laws for the criminalisation of sexual orientation when he adopted Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe's lingo, describing gays as worse than dogs.

    He has the backing of Malawi Council of Churches as it argues that while Malawi needed aid, it was against donor countries calling for the legalisation of same sex marriages as the practice was a contradiction with the teachings of God, Malawi's rich traditions, culture and a threat to the family unit.

    MCC chairperson Bishop Dr. Joseph Bvumbwe, Evangelical Association of Malawi (EAM) chairperson the Reverend Dr Lazarus Chakwera and Episcopal Conference of Malawi (ECM) secretary Father George Buleya told reporters in Lilongwe that they were not happy with UK position on gay rights.

    Bvumbwe said British Prime Minister's statements were "unfortunate" and they regard them as "unacceptable and provocative."

    Cameron said he had spoken with "a number of African countries" and that more pressure had been applied by Foreign Secretary William Hague, who deputised for him during parts of the summit. Some 41 nations within the 54-member Commonwealth have laws banning homosexuality.

    Many of these laws are a legacy of British Empire laws.

    And Ghana's Trade and Industry Minister, Hannah Tetteh insists same sex relationships are unacceptable in African cultural set-ups and no amount of threats would make Ghana kowtow to UK's threat while interacting with a section of the media in Accra on Tuesday.

    Meanwhile, Ugandan presidential adviser John Nagenda accused Mr Cameron of showing an "ex-colonial mentality" and of treating Ugandans "like children."



 
Cameron's office clarifies statement on gay rights

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The Office of the British Prime Minister, David Cameron, says threats made by the Prime Minister to suspend aid to African countries that prohibit gay rights was in the context of the efforts of the British government to promote human rights around the world.

Speaking to the Daily Graphic in London, Ms Helen Bower, a spokesperson at the Number 10 Downing Street Press Office, said "the UK Government is at the forefront of work to promote human rights around the world, and regularly criticises governments which violate those rights".

Reacting to media reports in Ghana in respect of United Kingdom's financial aid to the Third World and respect for human rights, Ms Bower explained that efforts by the British government included working to end religious intolerance and persecution, as well as discrimination against individuals on the basis of their sexuality.

She said the issues were not only on gays as the Ghanaian media had contextualised it.

At the just-ended summit of the Commonwealth Heads of Government in Perth, Australia, British Premier David Cameron threatened to withhold UK aid from governments that did not reform legislation banning homosexuality, saying that those receiving UK aid should "adhere to proper human rights".

"Our new approach, set out in detail in July, this year, means we only provide aid directly to governments when we are satisfied that they share our commitments to reduce poverty; respect human rights; improve public financial management; fight corruption; and promote good governance and transparency," Ms Bower stated.

The Number 10 spokeswoman said in Ghana, homophobic remarks from a regional government prompted a swift reaction from Mr Stephen O'Brien, the UK Minister in charge of the Department of International Development.

During his visit to Ghana in June, this year, Mr O'Brien made it clear to the Presidency and opposition leaders that the remarks were unacceptable and could undermine UK domestic support for aid to Ghana.

She disclosed that many actions had been taken in respect of human rights and British aid and noted that some countries had already been affected.

For example, in Malawi, UK took the decision to suspend some £19 million of general budget support in July, this year, following concerns about deteriorating economic governance, poor progress on human rights and media freedoms, as well as concern over that government's approach to lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans gender (LGBT) rights.

"In January, Development Minister O'Brien challenged the President of Malawi on his moves to criminalise consensual female same-sex relationships," the spokeswoman observed, adding that the introduction of a private member's bill to Parliament to extend the death penalty in Uganda to homosexuality prompted the UK Government to raise serious objections with the Government of Uganda.

Ms Bower added that although the bill was not discussed or passed during the last Parliamentary session, it could be reintroduced in the next session.

Cameron's office clarifies statement on gay rights | Local News
 
ndio tatizo la kukosa majukumu, kwenye nchi yake umeme upo, barabara nzuri, kazi zipo, hospitali za maana, usipokuwa na kazi unapata benefit. kwahiyo hana kazi ya kufanya zaidi ya kutangaza ushoga.
 
Labda sasa mabakuli yanaweza kutulia mezani. Hata mkwele nadhani huenda akapunguza safari za ughaibuni
 
Tusisahau kanisa na hasa kanisa katoliki kwa waingereza halina sauti kabisa. Kama coalition government itaridhia kanisa litaishia kuhubiri but they will never stop it. Kumbuka Uiengereza abotion is legal despite kelele za kanisa lakini sheri ilipita. Sasa hivi hata ndani ya Church of England wana mzozo mkubwa maana kuna wachungaji kibao wanaoishi open-gay relationship.

Kama tunataka kuondokana na hii kadhia ni kuachana na misaada maana hata tukienda kuomba nchi nyingine hatuna hakika watatupa masharti gani.
 
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ndio tatizo la kukosa majukumu, kwenye nchi yake umeme upo, barabara nzuri, kazi zipo, hospitali za maana, usipokuwa na kazi unapata benefit. kwahiyo hana kazi ya kufanya zaidi ya kutangaza ushoga.
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Hapa Mkuu inaweza kuwa kweli!! Hata tulivyokuwa tukimsikia Membe akijigamba kuwa kwetu Ng'oooo haiwezekani, yawezekana moyoni alikuwa akizungumza kitu tofauti. Umaskini ni kitu kibaya sana..kule Malawi, Bingu wa Mutharika alilazimishwa mpaka akajikuta akiingia katika mtego wa kutoa msamaha kwa mashoga eti aweze kukidhi matakwa ya jumuiya za mashoga Duniani na hasa Serikali za kimagharibi...aliwaachia akidai wamepewa msamaaha wa Rais (Presidential Pardon/Mercy) jambo ambalo asingeweza kufanya kwa wafungwa wengine kwa wakati huo kama si sinikizo alilopata la kutishiwa kupunguziwa misaada.
 
Safi sana Cameron,na Africans wakiendelea na sheria zao za ant gay wafanyie tuu mpaka wasalimu amri....hao gays wana haki kama binadamu wengine tuu ya kuoa wanayemtaka na kumpenda,haki ya mtu haitegemei majority wanaamini au wanataka nini,hawa watu lazima wapewe haki zao in full
 
Koba said:
Safi sana Cameron,na Africans wakiendelea na sheria zao za ant gay wafanyie tuu mpaka wasalimu amri....hao gays wana haki kama binadamu wengine tuu ya kuoa wanayemtaka na kumpenda,haki ya mtu haitegemei majority wanaamini au wanataka nini,hawa watu lazima wapewe haki zao in full
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Nilijua tu wewe mtetea wa.s,.eng;e ungekuja...... nani kakwambia kuna haki za kudhalilisha utu wa binadamu ......ngoja nikuambie KOBA homosexuality is the demeaning of human diginity.......chukulia watu wote duniani wangekuwa w.as,,enge kizazi kingine kingetokea wapi........ kila siku nakuambia koba kuwa si kila kitu kinachoanzishwa na weupe ni sahihi.....vingine ni bulushiti ....... Pia ushauri wangu wa bure kwako ni huu uache ushoga..... maana wengi walio iga hayo maisha sababu tu ni njia ya kileo ya kuishi wanajuta..... wakifikia umri wa 45+ wanajiona hawana maana tena katika uso wa dunia... wanakuwa mateja baadaye wanakufa kifo cha aibu. .... pole koba nakuhurumia ..... unaacha maadaili na asili yako simply because you want to fit in that you call modern society .......
 
Nyani Ngabu said:
Hivi watu wazima wenye akili zao timamu wakiwa gay wengine mnadhurika vipi?
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Mbona mie nikitaka kuuoa wanawake 4 pale uingereza wananifunga, kwani kunawahusu nini wao? wakati mie nimeelewana na wake zangu? Mbona wananyima haki watu wanaopenda wake/uke wenza?
 
MkamaP said:
Mbona mie nikitaka kuuoa wanawake 4 pale uingereza wananifunga, kwani kunawahusu nini wao? wakati mie nimeelewana na wake zangu? Mbona wananyima haki watu wanaopenda wake/uke wenza?
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Naomba unipe hicho kipengele cha sheria kinachozuia ndoa za wake wengi.
 
Nyani Ngabu said:
Naomba unipe hicho kipengele cha sheria kinachozuia ndoa za wake wengi.
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Muslims in Britain are to challenge UK law which forbids husbands from having more than one wife.
They say they will refer Britain's ban on polygamous marriage to the European Court of Human Rights this autumn.
Under Islamic law a man is allowed to have up to four wives, but the Muslim Parliament of Britain says that many families are being forced to live outside the law because their polygamous marriages are not recognised here.
There are no official figures on the number of people practising polygamy in Britain, but it's estimated that there may be hundreds.
One British Muslim wife suffering as a result of polygamy is Sameera, whose 55-year-old husband took up a second wife after 30 years of marriage.

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Under Islamic law a man may have up to four wives


He married a 26-year-old cousin in January, whilst on holiday in Pakistan, without Sameera's knowledge or consent.
Told by her in-laws she says she was devastated, but feels she has no choice but to accept the situation.
"I just fainted when I first heard," says Sameera. "The fact that he's married such a young girl, a girl old enough to be his daughter. I cried and cried and felt like my mind was exploding. It felt like the ground had just fallen from under me, why did he do it? It shouldn't happen."
Although Islam allows a man to marry up to four wives, he can only do so if his first wife is infertile, or if he marries women who are considered social outcasts. It is not, as many believe, meant to be for the sexual gratification of men.
Noshaba Hussein from the Muslim Parliament says she knows of many happy polygamous marriages in Britain.

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This practice is taking place in Britain and there are couples who are quite happy and satisfied with their relationship
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Noshaba Hussein from the Muslim Parliament
"I am aware that this practice is taking place in Britain and there are couples who are quite happy and satisfied with their relationship and they would like it to carry on and be protected by law."
The police say there is little they can do. Colin Cramphorn from the Association of Chief Police Officers says he finds cases like Sameera's disturbing, but he believes that politicians need to clarify the law.
"Clearly those communities that have a tradition which allows polygamous marriage have a point of view and they are keen to have that point of view taken into account and recognised as part of a multi-cultural society," says Mr Cramphorn.
"But of course if the law is equivocal, as it currently is, then that prevents all of us achieving the kind of clarity that would no doubt be helpful in the longer term."
Human rights challenge
Come October, when the Human Rights Act comes into force, British law on such matters will be open to challenges, under article eight of the act which says everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life.
Noshaba Huseein says that if the government refuses to accept the legality of polygamous marriages then the Muslim parliament will take it to the European court of human rights.
"There will be a need to do something much more, in the way of a campaign, if there is a denial of rights and certainly people will be taking actions to the European court to ensure that we have the rights of freedom of religion."
The issue of polygamy encapsulates the debate over whether minorities have the right to follow their own customs or conform to established Judaeo Christian values. The bishop of Rochester, Dr Nazir Ali, believes the government should not succumb to such pressures.
"I don't think that polygamy should be enshrined in law because it will affect the mutual love and companionship that a marriage needs and it will also affect the stability of the family," says Dr Ali.
But Noshaba Hussein warns that if the government continues to overlook their demands they could end up losing ethnic minority votes.
"Muslims are very strong supporters of the Labour government," she says.
"So far I think we've been getting a relatively rough deal and maybe it will be reflected in the polls."
 
MkamaP said:
Mbona mie nikitaka kuuoa wanawake 4 pale uingereza wananifunga, kwani kunawahusu nini wao? wakati mie nimeelewana na wake zangu? Mbona wananyima haki watu wanaopenda wake/uke wenza?
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Ingawa hujanipa kipengele mahususi cha hiyo sheria, ila kama ipo kweli na yenyewe basi haifai. Watu wazima waliokubaliana kwa hiari yao kufanya wapendavyo sioni kwa nini wakatazwe hususan ikiwa jambo lenyewe ni ndoa!

Mimi sidhuriki na chochote wala lolote lile kama wewe ukioa wake 4. Hata ukioa 100 mimi bado hainihusu. Na kwa magay ni vivyo hivyo.
 
Nyani Ngabu said:
Hivi watu wazima wenye akili zao timamu wakiwa gay wengine mnadhurika vipi?
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Sikia we Nyani,
Kila mtu anajua akina Anti nanihii wapo toka siku nyingi, tunachopinga ni kulazimishwa kuwatambua rasmi na kuwapa haki za kisheria. Kwa sababu tukifanya hivyo watoto wetu watadhani ushoga ni kitu kizuri na watajiunga kwa wingi mwishowe taifa litaangamia...:hatari:
 
Nyani Ngabu said:
Ingawa hujanipa kipengele mahususi cha hiyo sheria, ila kama ipo kweli na yenyewe basi haifai. Watu wazima waliokubaliana kwa hiari yao kufanya wapendavyo sioni kwa nini wakatazwe hususan ikiwa jambo lenyewe ni ndoa!

Mimi sidhuriki na chochote wala lolote lile kama wewe ukioa wake 4. Hata ukioa 100 mimi bado hainihusu. Na kwa magay ni vivyo hivyo.
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Ha ha ha
Ya ma gay inakuhusu sana ki hasi maana wote wakiwa magay utatoa wapi mademu wa kupigia misele, teh teh teh. Lakini nikiwa na wake 100 inakuhusu ki chanya maana utapata vitotoo vya kupigia misele. kwikwi

"As in Canada, polygamy is illegal in Britain. The punishment there is seven years in jail - it's five in Canada. "
 
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