Agriculture: Kenya vs Tanzania

kennedy0000 · Mar 7, 2019

Mkikuyu- Akili timamu said:
The only small scale cash crop farmers still profitable are Tea farmers(40% is large scale and is rising ) small scale coffee farming is probably 80% wiped out.
So yes, the problem with Cash crop farming in Tz is lack of Environment for white settlers to exploit the fertile land

Coffee is still profitable in Kenya. Returns may not be as before, but many people still live by it.
You only read about areas in Kiambu where coffee has been uprooted for the more lucrative real estate.

Tea farmers organize in co-operatives and market the product as one entity. So probably that's why you tend to think that it is coming from a single large scale farmer.

You will not blame white settlers forever.
For instance Kenyans are now producing 230,000 tonnes of avocados. Most of it from small scale.
While Tanzanians are producing only 8,000 tonnes. Who will you blame?

Gwizzy · Mar 7, 2019

Stano said:
Facts:
Kenya is roughly half the size of TZ and is mostly semi-arid. TZ definitely has more than twice Kenya's land under crop production.

1) Crop Production.
Tanzania is big on low-value traditional food crops such cassava, sweat potato, maize, beans.
Kenya is big on high-value cash crops such as tea,vegetables and fruits for export.

Kenya Crops that TZ don't produce
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I have said it in this forum before, Tanzania is overrated!!! All this stories za sijui more natural resources, sijui more arable land etc etc are just that, stories!!! Central TZ is as horrible as North Eastern Kenya. There is no difference between the climate/lanscape from Nairobi to Mombasa to that From Moshi to Dar!!!

Mkikuyu- Akili timamu · Mar 7, 2019

kennedy0000 said:
Coffee is still profitable in Kenya. Returns may not be as before, but many people still live by it.
You only read about areas in Kiambu where coffee has been uprooted for the more lucrative real estate.

Tea farmers organize in co-operatives and market the product as one entity. So probably that's why you tend to think that it is coming from a single large scale farmer.

You will not blame white settlers forever.
For instance Kenyans are now producing 230,000 tonnes of avocados. Most of it from small scale.
While Tanzanians are producing only 8,000 tonnes. Who will you blame?

Boss there is No (Zero) foreign Capital Going to Tz Cash crop and horticulture Agriculture, Even in fresh produce such as green beans, avocados etc..Whether Tz will allow colonial white settlers back to their land in exchange for FDI is debatable. There are many more ways of increasing investment in cash crops without surrendering your land to Colonialists, it may take time but it will happen eventually

Stano · Mar 7, 2019

That is asinine. Investor across sectors look for opportunities in many sectors. Tanzania is attracting minning investors for some reasons. It's failure to attract in agriculture has it's own reason.

In any case I don't think kenya is attracting new FDI in agriculture. The last FDI was probably the flower and horticulture sector in 90s. The rest are really old co-orporation that invested in kenya in 1920s,30s, 40s and 50s.

Most of kenya success in high-value cash crops is down to small-holder farmers organizing themselves in co-operatives and benefiting from economies of scale - large farms enjoys.

Uganda are increasingly shifting but TZ may remain the source of dirty cheap food - maize, beans, cassava, sweat potatos - never makes anybody rich.

Mkikuyu- Akili timamu said:
Why FDI has not flowed to TZ cash crop sector is difficult to answer, but as an investor would you rather grow flowers or mine gold, gas and etc when you have an opportunity in Tz? Its just the same case as with Congo DRC.. Investors run to minerals not Huge arable land. Congo depends on food aid, cash crops take a back seat as copper cobalt gold and diamonds take the front seat.
About stunted growth and other disorders, there is a problem of education in Tz, some traditions need to end -Like many who dont take milk etc yet its available..Good thing JPM has made education free upto Form 4..That will make many people able to break away from closely held traditions

Mkikuyu- Akili timamu · Mar 7, 2019

Stano said:
That is asinine. Investor across sectors look for opportunities in many sectors. Tanzania is attracting minning investors for some reasons. It's failure to attract in agriculture has it's own reason.

In any case I don't think kenya is attracting new FDI in agriculture. The last FDI was probably the flower and horticulture sector in 90s. The rest are really old co-orporation that invested in kenya in 1920s,30s, 40s and 50s.

Most of kenya success in high-value cash crops is down to small-holder farmers organizing themselves in co-operatives and benefiting from economies of scale - large farms enjoys.

Uganda are increasingly shifting but T

Stano said:

That is asinine. Investor across sectors look for opportunities in many sectors. Tanzania is attracting minning investors for some reasons. It's failure to attract in agriculture has it's own reason.

In any case I don't think kenya is attracting new FDI in agriculture. The last FDI was probably the flower and horticulture sector in 90s. The rest are really old co-orporation that invested in kenya in 1920s,30s, 40s and 50s.

Most of kenya success in high-value cash crops is down to small-holder farmers organizing themselves in co-operatives and benefiting from economies of scale - large farms enjoys.

Uganda are increasingly shifting but TZ may remain the source of dirty cheap food - maize, beans, cassava, sweat potatos - never makes anybody rich.

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Delmonte Just renewed their Lease in thika and planted pinaples..That is NEW FDI, same case with Unilever as they break new ground for more tea bushes.
As I said, Tz seems unwilling to handover their land to white settlers in exchage for FDI..they will continue to lag behind in cash crops but you will never hear any resentments from citizens about historical land injustices

Geza Ulole · Mar 7, 2019

kennedy0000 said:
Out of your about $5 billion in exports, metals and minerals account for almost 90%.
Your food and fruit production is too low.
A Tanzanian per person food consumption is very low across all products. In short very low spending power.

You export a few tonnes of raw meat to Dubai but import sausages from Kenya. Clear who is getting the better deal.

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The thing is we r getting there on meat as a matter of fact u rely on Tanzanian livestock for ur meat industry!

Kunta kinte1776 · Mar 7, 2019

Why can't the Tz government help tz farmers mechanize their agriculture,am sure this can lift millions of tanzanians out of poverty since majority of tanzanians depend on agriculture,subsistence farming with crude equipments will forever trap people to poverty.

Msapere · Mar 7, 2019

Mkikuyu- Akili timamu said:
Boss there is No (Zero) foreign Capital Going to Tz Cash crop and horticulture Agriculture, Even in fresh produce such as green beans, avocados etc..Whether Tz will allow colonial white settlers back to their land in exchange for FDI is debatable. There are many more ways of increasing investment in cash crops without surrendering your land to Colonialists, it may take time but it will happen eventually

Fool uniliver has vast tea estates in Tanzania..wewe kweli ni mjinga argue with facts MF

Msapere · Mar 7, 2019

How can renew of Lease be New FDI?..Buda usitumie matakoo kufikiria

REDEEMER. · Mar 7, 2019

Kunta kinte1776 said:
Why can't the Tz government help tz farmers mechanize their agriculture,am sure this can lift millions of tanzanians out of poverty since majority of tanzanians depend on agriculture,subsistence farming with crude equipments will forever trap people to poverty.

Watch how Tanzania government through its tractor assembling plant selling more than 300 tractors per month and how changes Tanzania economy

luangalila · Mar 7, 2019

Mkikuyu- Akili timamu said:
Why FDI has not flowed to TZ cash crop sector is difficult to answer, but as an investor would you rather grow flowers or mine gold, gas and etc when you have an opportunity in Tz? Its just the same case as with Congo DRC.. Investors run to minerals not Huge arable land. Congo depends on food aid, cash crops take a back seat as copper cobalt gold and diamonds take the front seat.
About stunted growth and other disorders, there is a problem of education in Tz, some traditions need to end -Like many who dont take milk etc yet its available..Good thing JPM has made education free upto Form 4..That will make many people able to break away from closely held traditions

W

Kabla magufulibhajaingia madarakani tanzaniankwa mwakantulikuwa tunazalisha degreee holders 400,000 ss sijui ww unazungumzia elimu gani ?
Hapa mnajitamba wakati juzi tu citizen wameripoti habari ya Funza kuvamia kijiji cha mbaaziniambapo watoto wanashindwa kwenda xul ... Ss how come you come here kujitamba kumbe nyumban kwako ni kuchafuuu kuliko kwa mwenzako

Engineer levi Devin · Mar 7, 2019

Mkikuyu- Akili timamu said:
The only small scale cash crop farmers still profitable are Tea farmers(40% is large scale and is rising ) small scale coffee farming is probably 80% wiped out.
So yes, the problem with Cash crop farming in Tz is lack of Environment for white settlers to exploit the fertile land

Nowdays I love your reason capacity I guess you have come of age.

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luangalila · Mar 7, 2019

Nyie wa kenya mnao comment humu JF ktk huu UZI asimilia 90 hamna hata plot ya 1ha.ss mnatupigia kelele humu wakat wenzenu ss tuna mashamba maplit kwa ma plot kuna msemo wa kiswahili twasema siongei na umbwa ila naongea na mwenye umbwa ss nyie mkatuletee hao wanao miliki mishamba ndio tuongee nao sio nyie vigaragosi hamna mashamba mnapiga kelele hapa

Teargass · Mar 8, 2019

Remember Kenya is 772, 680

REDEEMER. said:
Tanzania inaongoza Africa kwa mangoes production

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Mkikuyu- Akili timamu · Mar 8, 2019

kennedy0000 said:
Coffee is still profitable in Kenya. Returns may not be as before, but many people still live by it.
You only read about areas in Kiambu where coffee has been uprooted for the more lucrative real estate.

Tea farmers organize in co-operatives and market the product as one entity. So probably that's why you tend to think that it is coming from a single large scale farmer.

You will not blame white settlers forever.
For instance Kenyans are now producing 230,000 tonnes of avocados. Most of it from small scale.
While Tanzanians are producing only 8,000 tonnes. Who will you blame?

Coffee is profitable😂😂😂😂😂👇👇👇👇

majeshi 1981 · Mar 8, 2019

pingli-nywee said:
Propaganda za jamaa wa stori za vijiweni zikiumbuliwa lazima hasira zipande na povu litiririke. Kuna watu hawaamini kabisa hizi takwimu ambazo zinajieleza vizuri. Kwenye ukulima biashara wa mazao kama maparachichi, maembe, macadamia Kenya inawakilisha ukanda huu vizuri.

wakenya ni wapumbavu sana, kulima walime wazungu kwa faida zao sifa za kijinga wanatafuta manyangau

kennedy0000 · Mar 8, 2019

Mkikuyu- Akili timamu said:
Boss there is No (Zero) foreign Capital Going to Tz Cash crop and horticulture Agriculture, Even in fresh produce such as green beans, avocados etc..Whether Tz will allow colonial white settlers back to their land in exchange for FDI is debatable. There are many more ways of increasing investment in cash crops without surrendering your land to Colonialists, it may take time but it will happen eventually

FDI is not everything.
In fact, the vast majority of new businesses in a country are by locals.
I have not heard any new foreign company get allocated plantation land in Kenya for a long time. Yet production of some items keeps going up.

Stano · Mar 8, 2019

Precisely. This FDI is lame excuse - actually an attempt to attribute kenya agri sucess to whites - and that subliminal message from the usual kenyan-hater.

kennedy0000 said:
FDI is not everything.
In fact, the vast majority of new businesses in a country are by locals.
I have not heard any new foreign company get allocated plantation land in Kenya for a long time. Yet production of some items keeps going up.

simplemind · Mar 8, 2019

Wheat production in Kenya is certainly on decline as land is subdivided into smaller holdings.Huge wheat farms in uasin gishu county are no more.

BlietzKrieg · Mar 8, 2019

simplemind said:
Wheat production in Kenya is certainly on decline as land is subdivided into smaller holdings.Huge wheat farms in uasin gishu county are no more.

Enda Narok county...home of wheat

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