Tanzania ina watu milioni 43, Zanzibar hawazidi milioni 5 kwa nini tugawane kwa kulingana?

[takashi]

nimesoma maoni mbali mbali humu na mengi yamesemwa lakini wameshindwa kujibu hoja za mtu wa pwani.
Tatizo lenu kubwa nimegundua ni kuwa mnaitizama zanzibar kama mkoa au wilaya ya tanzania huku mkijua kua tanzania imeundwa na jamhuri ya tanganyika na jamhuri ya watu wa zanzibar, zote zikiwa nchi huru wakati huo.
Muungano huu uliundwa kiujanja ujanja ili ifike siku zanzibar imezwe isiwepo katika ramani ya dunia.
Jambo moja mnasahau na ni kwamba zanzibar inaweza kuwepo bila ya tanzania lakini tanzania haiwezi kuwapo bila zanzibar.
Isitoshe, zanzibar imekuwapo kabla ya tanganyika (angalia ramani)

pia angalieni hizi kumbukumbu, zinaweza kuwasaidia.


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1901 january
tea: The first packet of tea made in east africa was packed in
dunga. The leaves were the first products of the garden that was laid
out there in 1899. It was manufactured with such appliances as were to
hand, rolled on the deal table, sun-dried, and fired with ordinary
charcoal stove.


1901 august
the first bulk oil installation started in zanzibar following
the completion of tank and pier at mtakuja.the tank for reception of
petroleum in bulk was erected by messrs. Smith mackenzie and co. The agent for shell
transport and trading company limited.the installation was most complete
comprising also of a factory for the manufacture of kerosene oil tins.


1901 september 18
the first zanzibar street band was formed by the local bandsmen
who were discharged by the sultan. The band was available for social
events.


1903 august 21
the first newspaper in zanzibar "samachar" was printed. It was
later reorganized as a daily paper with the first appearing on monday
august 21, 1905.later on several newspapers were published in zanzibar .


1903 september 26
a powerful light house at kigomasha in pemba and that of chumbe
were opened. The light houses were constructed by the public works
department. Great improvements took place to the zanzibar light houses
from the beginning of 1900 by converted to a flashing system of a.g.a.
I.e. The sun valve control hereby the lights are extinguished shortly
after dawn and relit before sunset automatically.
The first modern market in zanzibar was opened at darajani and
named estella market of commonly known as marikiti kuu. Estella ,
countess cave was a sister of general sir lloyd mathews then first
minister and consul general of zanzibar. Opened by sultan ali bin
hamoud, credit is due to mr. Bomanjee maneckjee, the minister for public
work who turned an old ruined site into a building of a considerable
architectural beauty.


1904
a powerful light house at kigomasha in pemba and that of chumbe
were opened. The light houses were constructed by the public works
department. Great improvements took place to the zanzibar light houses
from the beginning of 1900 by converted to a flashing system of a.g.a.
I.e the sun valve control hereby the lights are extinguished shortly
after dawn and relit before sunset automatically.


1904 july 18
sultan hamoud bin mohammed died and seyyid ali bin homoud took
over the throne. Ali was the youngest sultan to take over the throne at
the age of 18. He was the first sultan to have western education and was
very much influenced by the western culture by his dresses, food and
language.


1904 august

the french post office of zanzibar was closed.french consular
post office issued stamps of various denominations of peace and commerce
which were issued by the french metropolitan government between 1876 and
1900.


1905

the first government school started in zanzibar through the
initiative of sultan ali bin hamoud accommodated mainly the royal family
and upper class arabs. This school was later on became town boys primary
school at darajani.
The famous bububu railway was built by an american firm. The 7
mile railway connected bububu and forodhani consisted of a 3 ft gauge
light track. It was sold to the government in 1911. The railway stopped
its passenger service in july 1922 and used for the haulage of stone for
the harbor works. The engines and the rolling stock of bububu railway
completed their journey in august 31,1929.


1905 september

electric light and power was supplied within a radius of 5 miles
from the sultan's palace. The plant was installed by mr. J. A. Jones of
new york , and thereafter the streets of zanzibar town lit with
electricity much earlier than other streets in london which were still
to make do with gas lamp.


1906 july 04

the official switching on of the electric light in the streets
of zanzibar town. This was the first time in the history of any town in
east africa . Indeed,telephone services in public use and private with
switchboard installed at the old fort. The facilities were installed by
an american company and hence opened in the independence day of america


1907
zanzibar army was disbanded and the defence of the country
entrusted to two companies of king's african rifles [kar].

The official opening of shangani post office. The british post
al services started in1873 in the mackenzie building and in 1895
december the service took a more formal charge when it joined into the
postal union. Meanwhile the zanzibar first postage stamps appeared on
september 20, 1896 printed by the firm of the de la rue.


1907 december 10
official opening of the wireless telegraphy services at mnazi
mmoja. This first wireless telegraphy in east africa was opened by mrs.
Cave, the wife of then british consul general. The service connected
zanzibar and pemba within a few minutes was another red letter i the
annals of zanzibar .


1908 january
the silver rupee of british india made the standard coin of the
protectorate and zanzibar currency notes issued.final abolition of the
consular court's of zanzibar of the various powers. All subjects,
irrespective of nationality, thus became amenable to british
jurisdiction.



1908 may 13
the zanzibar court of justice at vuga was officially opened. The
building is a fine piece of saracenic architecture, the creation of mr.
J. H.sinclair. And the dome surmounting the clock tower and the vista of
arches are a distinct addition to the place.



1908
the first currency decree was promulgated and provided for and
issue of the first zanzibar currency notes.
The first car came to zanzibar . This germany made car "daimler"
was used by sultan ali bin hamoud. The motor car sfor passengers started
in 1927 when the trial was made for three cars: Morris cowley, citroen
and fiat each carrying for passengers to mangapwani.


1911 december
seyyid ali bin hamoud visited england to attend the coronation
of his majesty king george v. Whilst in europe he abdicated and decided
to leave in paris where he died in 1918.
Seyyid khalifa bin haroub ascended the throne of zanzibar and
his coronation was held at the house of wonder. He wa the longest sultan
to rule zanzibar from 1911-1960.


1913
control of zanzibar sultanate passed from the foreign office to
the colonial office.
1914 january
control of zanzibar transferred formally from foreign office to
colonial office. The new post british resident an chief secretary were
created. Major f.b. Pearce was made the first british resident and j. H.
Sinclair became the first chief secretary.


1914 august
the first world war was started. Zanzibar declared war on
germany and the treaty of zanzibar with germany lapsed.


1914 september

h.m.s. Pegasus the british ship sunk in zanzibar harbor by the
german cruiser "koningsberg".


1915 july
the zanzibar theater cinema house at darajani bridge was opened
in saturday. The first installment of the serial elmo the mighty in
which elmo lincoln and lucile love the beautiful and talented favorite,
figure in exploits of sensetial adventures was successful screened
before a crowded house.


1916 august

the first naval airplane to zanzibar landed during the period of
the first world. The eastern african campaign during the war saw the
novel use of aircraft in naval operations. Majority of these aircraft's
had underpowered engines and wooden airframes which were prone to severe
problems in the tropical climate. Sultan khalifa bin haroub was the
first arab ruler to view his kingdom from the air by flying the aircraft
piloted by lt. J. Cull of royal navy air service.

1917 march

the darajani bridge was opened by j. H. Sinclair, then british
resident replacing the old wooden bridge. The bridge was designed by mr.
Crawleys the director of public work the bridge was a connecting link
between the town peninsular and the main island. The bridge was of 2
spans with a total length of 70 feet by 20 feet wide.


1918
the first motor lorry two-ton-daimler to zanzibar was bought by
public works department. It was used for the construction of various
roads in the country side.


1918 november
armistice signed and the first world war ended.


1920 july

zanzibar experienced the closure of of the international
maritime bureau established in 1892 for the purpose of centralization of
information relating to native vessels and slave trade in general.


1923
the new standard measure of weight and capacity were made: A
pound being standard measure of weight in i, a gallon as standard
measure of capacity, a yard as standard measure of length and square
yard as a standard measure of surface.


1923 june
service of the two companied of the k.a.r discontinued and the
defence of the country entrusted to the zanzibar police department.


1925 december
the first tractor arrived in zanzibar . The tractor named the
guy roadless tractor of 19 horse power is what termed technically as a
half -track vehicle. It was used for construction of roads and its first
trials took place at kidimni-ndagaa road construction.


1926 march
executive and legislative councils constituted and the zanzibar
protectorate council, formed in 1914 abolished. The establishment of
these bodies was in line with the british policy to start with the
system of rule of law. The legislative council was later on became the
parliament and executive council became cabinet of minister.
The first session of the zanzibar legislative council opened by
his highness khalifa bin haroud, the sultan of zanzibar.


1927 january
the first british official messages were received at the
zanzibar station. The receiver installed was by the marconi company ltd.
Designed for reception of good headphone signals in any part of the
world of all high power continues wave stations.


1928 march
siti bt saad realized her first record of taarab music. Siti and
her band signed a recording contract with abdulkarim hakim khan his
masters' voice agent in zanzibar to go to calcutta india to record their
music. Siti became the first women in east africa to record her music
and the first person to ever record and release song in kiswahili.


1929 july
first step was taken to improve the quality of cloves for export
by subjecting them to compulsory inspection in accordance with the
provisions of the agricultural produce decree.


1929 october
zanzibar census report was published.
The harbor works was formally handed over to his highness on
behalf of the zanzibar government by mr. H. H. G. Mitchell, the
consulting engineer of messrs coode, at the ceremony held at the
entrance of harbor works in the presence of a large gatherings.


1929 november
malindi harbor opened. The harbor was designed by col.
G.t.nicholson- harbor advisory engineer to the union of south africa. It
had many facilities including a fresh water main with hydrants to supply
to the ships and pipe to convey the oil to and from ships alongside.


1929 december
commencement of dimming electric lights at 8.00 p.m to give time
signal.


1930
zanzibar first aerodrome was constructed at dunga. The strip was
800 yards by 150 yards was used only for light and medium size aircraft.


1930 april
the first commercial plane landed on zanzibar . The plane was
piloted by captain t. Campbell black, managing director of the then
wilson 's airways ltd. By communicating with police station at ziwani he
pilot managed to land on mnazi mmoja golf course on monday at 10.00.


1931 march
the first overseas air mail arrived at zanzibar by the then
inaugurated african air mail services. It was posted in london on the
27th february, reached kisumu on 10th march and arrived at zanzibar
after five days.
Likewise the first air mail correspondence from zanzibar to
outside world was dispatched on friday 5th june 1931at 7.00 a.m


1932 february
first cinema talkie exhibited in zanzibar at the royal cinema.


1935 march
the official opening ceremony of the new high pressure water
supply at mwanyanya (bububu) by sultan khalifa bin haroub to supply
water to the town of zanzibar and ng'ambo.


1936 january
the substitution of east african currency for rupee currency
i.e. The new shilling currency came into force following the
establishment of the common east african currency board. Postage stamps
of new denominations were introduced.


1936 february
serious riot of manga arabs (commonly known as vita vya wamanga
or vita vya mbata) broke out in the town of zanzibar . The cause of it
was in the application of alliteration of produce decree. The inspector
of police was killed four rioters were killed and several other people
wounded. Great alarm prevailed in zanzibar and all shop was closed.


1937 december 21
official opening ceremony of jubilee gardens at forodhani laid
out by government to celebrate silver jubilee of his late majesty king
george v and the memorial erected thereon by public inscriptions to
celebrate the silver jubilee of sultan khalifa bin haroub.


1946
the first african, sk. Ameir tajo was appointed to join the
legislative council to represent the african majority in this law making
body.


1947 december
for the first time in zanzibar 's history a bull and donkey
show was held at mnazi mmoja under the auspices of the zanzibar society
for revention of cruelty to animals.


1948 august
the employees of the african wharfage company went on strike and
zanzibar was faced with complete paralysis of loading and unloading
shipping cargoes.


1948 september
zanzibar witnessed an unprecedented strike in its history. All
african employees including domestic employees and ayahs went on strike
in sympathy with the african wharfage dock hands. The african labor's of
p.w.d. And sweepers joined in the strike. All shops were closed and
business was at standstill.


1949 december
for the first time gossage cup football match was played at
seyyid khalifa sports grounds (mnazi mmoja) between uganda and
tanganyika which resulted in a draw. The following day kenya beat
zanzibar by three goals to two in a good exciting match. Tangnyika beat
kenya two nil in a final match.


1951 july
a serious riot broke out as a result of the opposition of the
cattle owners of kimbe samaki for compulsory inoculation against
anthrax, commonly known as vita vya ngombe. Twenty cattle owners were
prosecuted an 19 sentenced to terms imprisonment. A crowd of
sympathizer's after making ill-advised effort to realize the prisoner's
as they were leaving the court, hurried to the jail bent on the same
purpose and serious riot took place outside the prison.


1957
the first election to be held in zanzibar . The elections were
protested by both political parties and racial and religious
organization but in the end, the election was really became a contest
between asp and znp. Asp won five out 6 seats.


1963 december
zanzibar got its independece and mohammed shamte hamad became the first prime minister.but constitutionally it was declared the sultan the head of state and giving
him more power to appoint his successor.


1964 january
the revolution took place to topple not only the znp/zppp
government but also the monarchy, under the leadership of late mzee,
abeid amaan karume. With the establishment of of a republic and a new
coalition of classes in power, radical changes took places. In fact with
the exception of guinea no country in tropical africa changed radically
in so short time.


1964 march
nationalization of land and later distributed to the poor. This
was a major reform program to change the society and the ownership of
land.


1964 april
the republic of zanzibar united with the republic of tanganyika
to form the united republic of tanzania. Under new setup the late julius
nyerere became the first president and karume became the first vice
president of tanzania respectively.


1964 september
education was declared free for all. The declaration made a
considerable changes in which the children from low class had
opportunity to attend the schools.zanzibar today is almost self-
sufficient in man power.


1965 may
decree to declare zanzibara one party state . Afro shirazi party
was the sole political party until 1992 following the introduction of
multi party system in tanzania .

Makaimati
life goes on

well done ...

 

[Wanitakiani]

Watanganyika wenzangu, ndio maana tunahitaji Katiba iandikwe upya! yarekebishwe makosa yote. Hakuna usawa ktk kugawana raslimali na nafasi kama za uongozi kati ya Wazanzibar na Watanganyika! Wao wamejitangazia nchi yenye rais wao, wana Katiba yao, bendera yao na wimbo wao wa taifa. Tunahitaji nini kituambie kuwa tunahitaji serikali 3 jamani? Watanganyika tumelogwa na nani jamani? They need us more than we need them, yet tunajikomba kwao, kwa lipi hasa?

Angalia hata nafasi za uwakilishi, kuna Mtanganyika gani ktk BLM? Nani kutoka Tanganyika kapiga kura Zanzibar ukiachilia mamluki wanaosombwa kwa umasikini wao kwenye majahazi kupelekwa kuipiga jeki CCM kwenye uchaguzi mkuu? Look here, Zanzibar ina majimbo 50 yenye wabunge ktk bunge la Tanzania, idadi hiyo haijumlishi wale wa Viti maalumu ambapo idadi yao inaweza jumla kufikia 70 na ushee; wabunge 50 wa majimbo toka Zanzibar yenye population ya watu wasiozidi Dsalaam yenye majimbo 7! Gharama za wabunge hao ni mzigo mzito unaobebwa na walipa kodi wa nchi hii, maana wanalipwa posho zote sawa, mafuta ya gari na huduma nyinginezo. Uwiano upo wapi kwa mbunge mwenye wapiga kura 350 (kwa baadhi ya majimbo Zanzibar) na mwenye wapiga kura 700,000 (kwa baadhi ya majimbo Tanganyika)? Baadhi ya majimbo Zanzibar unatembea kata zote kwa mguu na kuyamaliza kwa siku 1-2 wakati Tanganyika jimbo moja waweza kutumia hata wiki kulimaliza na huku ukitumia ndege, ukishuka utumie gari na ufike mahali utumie mtumbwi, ushuke utumie pikipiki au utembee kwa mguu ndio ufike kwa wapiga kura wako. Je, hapa uwiano upo wapi?

Namuomba Mtu wa Pwani awe mkweli, hata hivyo Tanganyika tumeibeba sana Zanzibar, lakini ni watu wasio na shukrani kila kitu wanahesabu na kudai wafanyiwe sawa. Ifike mahali mambo ya watanganyika yaachwe kwa Watanganyika maana tayari Zanzibar wana yakwao. Hata Baba wa Taifa angefufuika leo (RIP) kwa muungano aliouasisi angesema enough is enough!

 

[takashi]

Mkuu sisi watanganyika kinachotuumiza ni unafiki na kujipendekeza hata pale zinapokosekana sababu za msingi. Kama jana mjumbe mmoja wa baraza la wawakilishi alimwaka jeuri juu ya mchakato wa katiba lakini wahusika wanamwacha tu. Nampenda sana pinda aliwapa hadidu za rejea walipokuwa wanaleta chokochoko
sijui kwanini hawazingatii ushauri wa pinda kuwa "wavunje muungano waone nani atajuta"

Mimi naona watanganyika ndio wanalazimisha huu Muungano...Zanzibar wako tayari leo kesho cha msingi watanganyika warudishe Tanganyika . Zanzibar ilidumu bila Muungano kwa miaka mingi sana.

 

[JokaKuu]

..jana Zanzibar, kupitia waziri Juma Shamhuna, wamesema hawataki kulipa deni lao kwa Tanesco.

..hivi umeme huo ungekuwa wanananua toka Kenya wangezungumza lugha hiyo?

..kiburi hicho kinatokana na ukweli kwamba wa-Zanzibar wanadekezwa ndani ya muungano.

 

[Nonda]

..jana Zanzibar, kupitia waziri Juma Shamhuna, wamesema hawataki kulipa deni lao kwa Tanesco.

..hivi umeme huo ungekuwa wanananua toka Kenya wangezungumza lugha hiyo?

..kiburi hicho kinatokana na ukweli kwamba wa-Zanzibar wanadekezwa ndani ya muungano.

Mkuu.

Huyu waziri Shamhuna ametoa sababu yoyote ile ya kukataa kulipa?
Nimesoma hiyo habari na ameweka sababu yao au huafikiani na sababu yao?
At least, ungeijadili na kuona kama ina uzito wowote au ndio huko kudekezwa.!!!

By no means...siungi mkono mtu, taasisi ,kampuni, chombo cha umma au serikali kukataa kulipa deni halali. Anaekopa au anaetumia huduma lazima alipe.

https://www.jamiiforums.com/jukwaa-la-siasa/124254-zanzibar-yagoma-kulipa-sh40-bilioni-tanesco.html

 

[JokaKuu]

Mkuu.

Huyu waziri Shamhuna ametoa sababu yoyote ile ya kukataa kulipa?
Nimesoma hiyo habari na ameweka sababu yao au huafikiani na sababu yao?
At least, ungeijadili na kuona kama ina uzito wowote au ndio huko kudekezwa.!!!

By no means...siungi mkono mtu, taasisi ,kampuni, chombo cha umma au serikali kukataa kulipa deni halali. Anaekopa au anaetumia huduma lazima alipe.

Nonda,

..anataka walipe sawa na Tanzania bara, ati kwasababu ni nchi moja!!

..sasa kwenye kutumia rasilimali za Tanzania bara mnadai sisi ni nchi moja, baada ya hapo mnageuka na kudai Zanzibar ni nchi huru.

..gharama za umeme zilipandishwa mwaka jana, sasa kama Zanzibar ilikuwa haikubaliani na viwango vilivyowekwa na Tanesco walipaswa kutokutumia huduma hiyo.

..walichofanya hapa ni uhuni kwamba wanatumia huduma wakijuwa fika hawana nia ya kulipa kwa bei aliyopanga muuzaji.

NB:

..halafu hili ni suala la ku-deal na Tanesco, siyo suala la kwenda kulalamika kwa Kikwete.

 

[Nonda]

Nonda,

..anataka walipe sawa na Tanzania bara, ati kwasababu ni nchi moja!!

..sasa kwenye kutumia rasilimali za Tanzania bara mnadai sisi ni nchi moja, baada ya hapo mnageuka na kudai Zanzibar ni nchi huru.

..gharama za umeme zilipandishwa mwaka jana, sasa kama Zanzibar ilikuwa haikubaliani na viwango vilivyowekwa na Tanesco walipaswa kutokutumia huduma hiyo.

..walichofanya hapa ni uhuni kwamba wanatumia huduma wakijuwa fika hawana nia ya kulipa kwa bei aliyopanga muuzaji.

NB:

..halafu hili ni suala la ku-deal na Tanesco, siyo suala la kwenda kulalamika kwa Kikwete.

Mkuu.
You are with them or you are with us? hiyo red!

Mkuu.
Hoja yake ni kuwa kiwango ni 21 na sio 168.

Sasa kama ni uhuni sijui nani hapo anafanya uhuni.

Lakini naafiki hoja yako. kama hawakubaliani na bei ya mtoa huduma walipotaarifiwa ongezeko la bei iliwapasa kuacha kutumia huduma ya Tanesco. Lazima kuna mkataba kati ya mteja na mtoa huduma.

Lakini mkuu Tanesco lina T ndani yake. ni sababu tosha kuungalia tena Muungano.

Lakini pia ni uzembe wa serikali yao kushindwa kuweka chanzo chao cha kuzalisha umeme huko Zanzibar. Wanahitaji 50 Magawati tu.

Nimeshasema sehemu nyengine kuwa viongozi wa Tanganyika na Zanzibar wanajificha nyuma ya pazia la Muungano ili kutugawia umaskini, wakati wao na familia zao wanavuna shamba la bibi.

 

[JokaKuu]

Mkuu.
You are with them or you are with us? hiyo red!

Mkuu.
Hoja yake ni kuwa kiwango ni 21 na sio 168.

Sasa kama ni uhuni sijui nani hapo anafanya uhuni.

Lakini naafiki hoja yako. kama hawakubaliani na bei ya mtoa huduma walipotaarifiwa ongezeko la bei iliwapasa kuacha kutumia huduma ya Tanesco. Lazima kuna mkataba kati ya mteja na mtoa huduma.

Lakini mkuu Tanesco lina T ndani yake. ni sababu tosha kuungalia tena Muungano.

Lakini pia ni uzembe wa serikali yao kushindwa kuweka chanzo chao cha kuzalisha umeme huko Zanzibar. Wanahitaji 50 Magawati tu.

Nimeshasema sehemu nyengine kuwa viongozi wa Tanganyika na Zanzibar wanajificha nyuma ya pazia la Muungano ili kutugawia umaskini, wakati wao na familia zao wanavuna shamba la bibi.

Nonda,

..hiyo 21 vs 168 ni kwasababu kwa muda mrefu Zenj walikuwa wakipewa umeme kwa bei ya "kisiasa."

..hakuna haja ya kuungalia upya muungano, tunapaswa kuuvunja kwasababu ni unsustainable.

..suala hapa ni deni la kibiashara, hakuna haja ya wa-Zenj kutafuta huruma ya muungano ambao kila siku wanaubeza.

 

[Anko Sam]

Muungano gani usio na mvuto? muungano wenyewe hauna uwiano hata uchakachuaji wa wa mafuta hawawezi wakachakachua pipa la diesel na lita tano ya mafuta ya taa. Tungelinda muungano kama tungeungana na nchi kubwa kama Kenya, Uganda, DRC ama Zambia. Siyo punje ya kisiwa unasema unajivunia muungano kisha uwakilishi nusu nusu!

Hii ni zaidi ya uwendawazimu. Hatima ya Taifa la watu 43 Mil iamuliwe na wazenji kadhaa! Upuuzi mkubwa huu. We gonna fight for our Country.

 

[Taso]

..hakuna haja ya kuungalia upya muungano, tunapaswa kuuvunja kwasababu ni unsustainable.

Unsustainable kivipi? Muungano ume sustain miaka 46 sasa, kwa Bara kuwabeba Zanzibar, na wa Bara wengi hawaoni ni mzigo, wako tayari na wataendelea kuwabeba, kuwa sustain Wazenji. Huu Muungano upo, bila dhamira ya makusudi ya kuuvunja hauvunjiki, kwa sababu bado una garner strong support from ruling elite na hakuna a strong dissident voice ambayo imewahi kusimama jukwaani kusema tuvunje Muungano. Kwanza by definition kutamka tuvunje Muungano ni high treason. Kwa hiyo pia, Muungano uko formidably sustained by airtight legal framework.
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Lakini unatuumiza Watanganyika in the most insidious way. Tuuvunje kwa sababu mizani yake ya haki na usawa imelalia upande mmoja wa kupendelea Zanzibar.

...Siyo punje ya kisiwa unasema unajivunia muungano kisha uwakilishi nusu nusu!

Hii ni zaidi ya uwendawazimu. Hatima ya Taifa la watu 43 Mil iamuliwe na wazenji kadhaa! Upuuzi mkubwa huu. We gonna fight for our Country.

Lakini huyo mwendawazimu ni nani? Haya tuliyataka wenyewe wa Tanganyika, vyanzo mbali mbali vya historia vinaonyesha ni Nyerere ndio alishawishi Wazanzibar waje tuungane. Mpaka leo Wazenji hawabembelizi Muungano, ni sisi ndio tumewang'ang'ania. Majority ya Wabara hawajali sana swala la kero za Muungano kwa upande wa Bara.

Kinachonisikitisha ni kwamba hii sheria ya mchakato wa Katiba mpya inayokwenda Bungeni inatamka kwamba Muungano usiguswe. Na sidhani kama kuna enough independent-minded lawmakers wa kustopisha agenda ya kutogusa Muungano.

 

[takashi]

Ishu siyo ukubwa wa eneo la nchi, tatizo hapa ni vipaumbele walivyonavyo wazanzibar ukilinganisha na tulivyonavyo watanganyika....hapa watanganyika tunaonewa na hatutambuliki and tanzania is not one country, it's two nations asee tanganyika na zanzibar ambapo watanganyika wamesahauliwa.

wewe unachotakiwa udai kuwepo kwa serikali ya Tanganyika sio watu kulalamika kwanini Zanzibar wana hiki sisi hatuna... Wasiliana na mbunge wako apeleke hoja bungeni adai kurejeshwa kwa serikali ya Tanganyika...

 

[Nonda]

Kwanza by definition kutamka tuvunje Muungano ni high treason. Kwa hiyo pia, Muungano uko formidably sustained by airtight legal framework.

Mkataba wa kimataifa ambao hauna exit clause ni mkataba halali? Nielimisheni hapa.

Haya tuliyataka wenyewe wa Tanganyika, vyanzo mbali mbali vya historia vinaonyesha ni Nyerere ndio alishawishi Wazanzibar waje tuungane. Mpaka leo Wazenji hawabembelizi Muungano, ni sisi ndio tumewang'ang'ania. Majority ya Wabara hawajali sana swala la kero za Muungano kwa upande wa Bara.

Watu wengi hatulijui hili. Kitu ambacho hutupelekea kuelekeza lawama kule ambako hazistahili. Wengi tunajua kuwa Karume ndiye aliyeomba Muungano.
Tusaidie hivi vyanzo ili tujiridhishe na sisi.

Kinachonisikitisha ni kwamba hii sheria ya mchakato wa Katiba mpya inayokwenda Bungeni inatamka kwamba Muungano usiguswe. Na sidhani kama kuna enough independent-minded lawmakers wa kustopisha agenda ya kutogusa Muungano.

Ni wazi kuwa basi CCM tayari wameshaupitisha huo Mswada wa sheria unaousema hapa hata kabla ya kujadiliwa na kupigiwa kura. Nakubaliana na wewe kuwa kwa wingi wa CCM ndani ya bunge basi wapinzani ndio wataelewa maana ya kushirikiana.

Lakini pia upinzani bado kama watacheza karata zao vizuri wanaweza kupata kura za kuupinga mswada huu kutoka kwa wabunge wanaotoka Zanzibar CCM na CUF au kutaka kuufanyia marekebisho na kulazimisha Muungano pia uwe ni moja ya jambo la kuangaliwa upya inapokuja kuandikwa katiba mpya kabla ya kukubali kuupitisha.

 

[Wanitakiani]

Kama tunavyojitokeza kujadili suala hili la Muungano hapa jamvini, hivyo hivyo tujitokeze kwa wingi kutoa maoni yetu kwenye suala la katiba mpya tuitakayo na tuseme nini tunataka na nini hatutaki! we should keep on blowing the whistle!

 

[Ngekewa]

Nonda,

..anataka walipe sawa na Tanzania bara, ati kwasababu ni nchi moja!!

..sasa kwenye kutumia rasilimali za Tanzania bara mnadai sisi ni nchi moja, baada ya hapo mnageuka na kudai Zanzibar ni nchi huru.

..gharama za umeme zilipandishwa mwaka jana, sasa kama Zanzibar ilikuwa haikubaliani na viwango vilivyowekwa na Tanesco walipaswa kutokutumia huduma hiyo.

..walichofanya hapa ni uhuni kwamba wanatumia huduma wakijuwa fika hawana nia ya kulipa kwa bei aliyopanga muuzaji.

NB:

..halafu hili ni suala la ku-deal na Tanesco, siyo suala la kwenda kulalamika kwa Kikwete.

Naam walichofanya ni uhuni baada ya kufanyiwa uhuni. TANESCO ilipoamuwa kuikomoa Zanzibar eti kuwa hawana la kufanya isipokuwa walipe kwa wanavyotaka wao, jawabu ilikuwa moja tu nayo ni kurudisha huo uhuni na kuona nani atashindwa. Wajaribu kukata umeme kama wanataka matumbo yao yabope. kwani unafikiri hao TANESCO hawajuwi kuwa Tanganyika haina ubavu wa kukata umeme kwani hiyo itakuwa sawa na kutangaza kuwa hakuna Muungano na hilo si CCM, si CHADEMA, si CUF(labda Mtikila tu) ambao wako tayari kuvunja muungano huu. PANA SIRI KUBWA HAPA!

 

[Ngekewa]

Mkuu.
You are with them or you are with us? hiyo red!

Mkuu.
Hoja yake ni kuwa kiwango ni 21 na sio 168.

Sasa kama ni uhuni sijui nani hapo anafanya uhuni.

Lakini naafiki hoja yako. kama hawakubaliani na bei ya mtoa huduma walipotaarifiwa ongezeko la bei iliwapasa kuacha kutumia huduma ya Tanesco. Lazima kuna mkataba kati ya mteja na mtoa huduma.

Lakini mkuu Tanesco lina T ndani yake. ni sababu tosha kuungalia tena Muungano.

Lakini pia ni uzembe wa serikali yao kushindwa kuweka chanzo chao cha kuzalisha umeme huko Zanzibar. Wanahitaji 50 Magawati tu.

Nimeshasema sehemu nyengine kuwa viongozi wa Tanganyika na Zanzibar wanajificha nyuma ya pazia la Muungano ili kutugawia umaskini, wakati wao na familia zao wanavuna shamba la bibi.

Hivyo yupo atakaetueleza haya makubaliano ya kupeleka umeme Zanzibar yalifikiwa vipi? Na hivi vyanzo vya umeme ni vya TANESCO au vya Serikali? Pengine swala la DOWANS lingetupa jawabu. Sasa Tanesco kama shirika wanapopewa jukumu na Serikali kutowa huduma ndio wao watakuwa waamuzi wa mwisho wa Sera za Serikali? Umeme na TANESCO vyote ni vya Serikali na ukishafikia hapo ndipo utapojuuliza Serikali gani? Jawabu ni ya Tanzania sasa hicho kiburi cha TANESCO kuikomowa Zanzibar kinakujaje? Na ndio maana zanzibar wanaposema hatulipi TANESCO hawana la kufanya.

 

[Ngekewa]

Thanks Juma.
Let us revisit the history in anecdote. Before 1990 it was mandatory for the mainlander to have passport when traveling to isles. The then G55 questioned the legality of it if at all we are the URT. G55 proposed a semi autonomy Tanganyika government to decide her own fate.
As far as Zanzibar decision to implement passport policy it aimed at securing the influx that has now been facing Zanzibar. zanzibar no longer an habitant for Zanzibaris rather than a chaotic place which witnesses what should not be expected from Zanzibaris. What doyou expect when sea floods rivers?
Understanding the social economic impact in terms of market access, employment and settlement, SMZ revoked the same in very short time to avert social economic consequences.

The question of referendum is not an important agenda to Tanganyika since we live with thousands of Zanzibarians in peace and harmony, no wonder in the villages, towns or city you will hear duka la mpemba. As of today more Zanzibarians are migrating to mainland for the business or employment. The son of revolutionist Hassan Moyo can testify it all. Recently he showed his interest to vie for the political post in Songea.

I agree with you as far as the Referendum concerns but the Zanzibaris immigrant to mainland should not not be taken as a pretext of Zanzibaris not to live without the Union. Majority of Zanzibaris are ina Zanzibaris and those who have crossed thetre they should decide or rather you will decide whether to let them (if they opt to) or to sent them back. One thing must be clear in your mind, percentage wise the Mainlanders are sor far high thse who settled in Zanzibar and Zanzibarians had accepted them in their fold. The like of Moyo whom you defined him as a Zanzibarian are so so many in Zanzibar. Dont it cross your mind that instead of choosing nearer to Zanzibar he had decided to go Songea? That my friend is where he is originated. I can name names and names who fall in that category but the most popular are Aboud Jumbe and Ali Hassan Mwinyi.The same trend is seen in the public office etc. Ironically that is not the case for SMZ.
In that context Zanzibar is to determine if she wants union or not through referendum. It is wastage of resource to involve Tanganyika as we believe one size fits all.

Then Zanazibarians should ask themselves, why electing MPs and pay lot of money to run powerless SMZ. I think this is mea culpa. The SMZ has enacted so many laws defying the union issues but fell short to discuss matter of economical importance. Apparently every failure is associated with muungano, simply to find a reason.

Let it be that SMZ is powerless to you and should remain as far as it gives you pleasure! To Zanzibaris SMZ is everything to them because as a group of people (assuming that all administrative rendered by SMZ donot comply to be a governing institute) they neeed gorvernance above all thins. Shall I ask you can you name one Minister from Umion Government who has been dealing with the issues of Zanzibar? 9to the exceptional of police force who went to kill Pemba) Do you think Zanzibar is immune to natural disasters? Have you ever hear the President of Tanzania utter any words to the issue of disasters such as hunger, flood or draught on zanzibar? So my dear brother who take care of such events to Zanzibar? It is SMZ. I dont know when you talk about MP, did you real meam MP or Member of House of Representatives? If you mean MP as an MP Zanzibaris donot waste their money because Tanzania a,k.a Tanganyika pays for it. Whether Zanzibaris have any use of them the answer is no becauuse those who paid them have sent them as camouflage. Let 55 Zanzibaris get themselves wealth if they are careful.[/FONT]

Zanzibar benefit the most in power supply from mainland. FYI the power outage has never affected Zanzibar despite the fact that SMZ owes Tanesco 40+ billions Tsh. The price/unit in Znz is cheaper than in Kidatu or mtera.
My dear brother this union has the age of somebody who could be grandparent and you have single just one thing that Zanzibar benefits at the risk of so many setbacks caused by the union. At least you should mention something that is given free but to mention elecricity that is paid for? So what if Zanzibar owes Tanesco 40 billion? First that is bussiness and it is not Zanzibar as the sole cusstomer who owes Tanesco. Earlier you mentioned SMZ as a powerless assuming that SMT is powerfull then why backtrecking now and want SMZ to pay the dept of Union Government?. Price wise I think there must be contract in this bussiness, what does it say on the whole bussiness? After all Tanesco itself explain that it is a Tanzania institute and Tanzania includes Zanzibar which nuliffy the saying that Zanzibar benefits elecricity but rather uses its right.

The SMZ could tell us more about this because she has defined the boundaries of Zanzibar in the amended constitution.


The issue of oil is the centre for secession concept. This move was not there when Salimini Amour used to collect civil servants salaries from the central government coffer. One thing Zanzibarians may not be well informed is that, Nigeria, is a member of OPEC, still remains in the category of poor nation. Oil is not the only solution to ZNZ’s problem.
First I think it is better to clarify the claima that Salmini used to to collect civil servant salaries from Central government coffer. As far as this issue concern what would you advised to be done when collection of revenue at Zanzibar harbour was started at 10 in the morning after the collector comes from Dar Es salaam to collect the revenue (and at that time all containers docked at Zanzibar Port) only to haul the revenue to Dare salaam by 4 oclock sea express? After the shouts and after fixing the docking in Zanzibar now the collection is done and saved in Zanzibar. At least its share now need not to be excrected from Dar es salaam.
On the issue of timing of oilclaim concern I think during Salmin Zanzibaris were still in the dark,set to figght each other in order to forget such issue as the oil. I think now it is not only oil but even the status of Zanzibar has been talked about. It was only matter of timing. [/SIZE]

So what you want us to believe is that the Union has stopped Pemba to implement agriculture programs?
I think you should look at KILIMO KWANZA to udestand that agriculture is not an easy thing as you believe. Looka at government innitiatives from its to sponsers' to know how Union affects agricucture in Pemba.

You should remember that when half of the Znz population living in Bara is back to pemba, the arable land will not be enough for the hypothetical agriculture plan. I wonder if you are aware that more than 500,000 Zanzibarians resides in mainland.
Neither the staying of those 500,000 Zanzibaris to mainland will make the land enough when those %00,00 are replaced by those settlers fro Mainland.
In a long run ZNZ will not have enough land as population keeps growing everyday.

Uh! if that was not the case the SMZ would have not be there with all power to draft, amend and revoke laws. Don’t you see some similarities?

Tanzania mainland is not tired of union rather vexed on unfounded allegations by Zanzibarian. The mainlanders have sacrificed a lot in the union just to be reciprocated by insult, abuse etc. This has provoked a wave of protest to average ‘Joe’ as well.
Well you should be vexed but I think you relish all what you called unfounded allegations as it gives you sense of being burly to at least small size of populatio or you should ratify thoe you call the unfounded allegations. You sacrisfice yourself from verbal abuse while Zanzibaris are getting physical abuse from your arrogance.

Our relationship is based on the history rather than colonial boundaries. Whether the union is perfect or not we should find a way to solve the problem. There is a window of opportunity open now. Let us stand together to defeat the proposed draft to be tabled soon in order to get a chance to decide if the union remains viable or immaterial,so that we part amicably.
Secondly, Since we know that Zanzibarians are not complacent with union, another simple way is to go back home, in that way the union will automatically die. No MPs in Dodoma, no Ministers, and all civil servants resign.
Well, may be Historical facts are what haunts our Union. One side progress in the past plays big role on our thinking at present. One thinks that the other should not at any cost return to the past posreities and the other thinks how he was before and seeing how the other prevent him from backcoming hurts him.

I agree that social life should be given a chance to thrive, but businesses and trade must be revised to suit the interest of each nation. I guess this will be a point ZNZ will realize the missed opportunity at the cost of few politicians and tycoons who would like to see the union collapse.
zanzibaris have the capacity to know what is good and what is hinderance to them and if one mean is a failure one tends to find the alternative and that is what Zanzibaris do.
I also agree that both side must have dictum to look the issue in wider prism.

I doubt if ones complains are called unfouded allegations and when it happens that this assumption is from one who has everything concerning development.

 

[Makaimati]

Maneno yenu mazuri lakini hayana mshiko

Mfano wa England na Northern Ireland si mfano mzuri hapa kwa sababu England iliishinda vita Northern Ireland, jee vita gani ambavyo Tanganyika iliishinda Zanzibar kivita.

Vita ambavyo Tanganyika imeishinda Zanzibar ni vita vya kiuchumi ambavyo vimeidumaza Zanzibar na kuwa tegemezi kwa Tanganyika.

 

[Anko Sam]

Mkuu.
Salmin Amour, alioa Mchaga wamezaa.....kuna Fatma said Ali ameolewa na mtanganyika mwenzetu...hao ni katika viongozi, pia kuna Zakia Megji......

Hafu kuna watu wengi tu wa makabila tofauti ya Tanganyika wameoa na kuolewa na Wazenj....mkuu kama huu uhusiano wewe huna haiwezi kuhalalisha kusema watu wa Tanganyika na Zanzibar hawana udugu wa damu,tena ulianza kwa miaka mingi, kabla ya Muungano.
kama una chuki binafsi nao ni kitu chengine. Chuki ni katika psychological disease! kapate tiba mkuu.

mimi si mwalabu wa ilala ni "mdanganyika" safi tu!

Kama kuoa na kuolewa ndo tuseme tunaundugu wa damu sioni mantiki kabisa. Nenda kwenye miji ya mipakani ya nchi yeyote Duniani, wananchi wa pale utakuta wameoana na kuoleana lakini nchi hizo hazina muungano wa aina yeyote.

Kwa Tanzania nenda Tarime, Sirari, Mtukula, Rusumo, Horohoro, Namanga nk. Utakuta kuna muingiliano wa kuoana kati ya jamii za nchi zote mbili.

Mbali na nchi zilizoko jirani, kuna watanzania wameoa ama kuolewa na wazungu, je mbona hatusemi tuna undugu nao wa damu tuungane nao? Wazanzibar wenyewe wanandugu wengi tu Oman, je wana muungano?

Hoja dhaifu zinazopandikizwa na wanasiasa uchwara kwa manufaa yao hazitakiwi katika kizazi hiki.

 

[Anko Sam]

Lakini huyo mwendawazimu ni nani? Haya tuliyataka wenyewe wa Tanganyika, vyanzo mbali mbali vya historia vinaonyesha ni Nyerere ndio alishawishi Wazanzibar waje tuungane. Mpaka leo Wazenji hawabembelizi Muungano, ni sisi ndio tumewang'ang'ania. Majority ya Wabara hawajali sana swala la kero za Muungano kwa upande wa Bara.

Kinachonisikitisha ni kwamba hii sheria ya mchakato wa Katiba mpya inayokwenda Bungeni inatamka kwamba Muungano usiguswe. Na sidhani kama kuna enough independent-minded lawmakers wa kustopisha agenda ya kutogusa Muungano.[/QUOTE]

Mwl. Nyerere aliunda Muungano kwa manufaa yake kipindi kile cha vita baridi, ndo maana alidiriki kusema "...kama angekuwa na uwezo angevisukumia mbali visiwa vya Zanzibar..."

Mwl. Nyerere tumsamehe kwa sababu alikuwa anafanya hayo kwa kulitakia taifa mema. Hawa waliopo sasa hivi wanafanya hivi kwa wao kujitakia mema! Ili turudishe heshima ya nchi hii, lazima sisi wananchi tulikomboe Taifa letu toka mikononi mwa Mafisadi!

 

[akajasembamba]

Tatizo lilikuwa tangu mwanzo huwezi kuunganisha Treni na Fuso! Wakati fuso linaweza kubebwa na treni, hadi Bongo Fleva wasanii wa Zanzibar wanadai nyimbo zao airtime wapate nusu kwa nusu na wasanii wa Bara! Maendeleo hapa itakuwa hakuna wabara wengi wenye uwezo watakosa uongozi kisa muungano!