huh???????? so you want smatta to say that kenyans are lazy people? or are you saying that kenyans are lazy?
there is a difference between, hard working and good work ethic.
there is no logical way of telling which country has more hardworking citizens than the other.
kenyans are no more hard working than than tanzanians, kenyans are more aggressive than tanzanians. kenyans take more risks than tanzanians. kenyans are more adventurous(in business) than tanzanians. these differences come from the economic policies of both countries.
kenyans we are unapologetically capitalists. tanzanians are die hard socialists.
if you understand capitalism(you sound educated so im sure u understand) then you are aware that to be a capitalist you have to break out of your comfort zone take risks be very ambitious and willing to try new things. we kenyans tend to take too many risks, or venture out into the unkown without being careful and we get severly punished for our carelessness. although kenyans are unabashedly capitalists we also dont understand capitalism very well hence the constant struggle in the kenyan society. capitalism is kenya's strength and weakness. kenya's economy is what it is today because kenyans are willing to venture out. kenyan businesses are establishing businesses in south sudan burundi, congo ethiopia and zambia, while tanzania barely invests in her neighbours. yes although we might get our fingers burned we also reap fruits because we ventured out and that is why kenyas economy is bigger than tanzania's
on the other hand tanzanians strongly believe in socialism. change is not "welcomed" that is why tanzanians barely venture out. tanzanians dont like taking risks. because of the socialism mentality, tanzanians have kept a peaceful island in the middle of a troubled east african reagion and tanzania has a fairly good balance between the rich and the poor. but on the same note tanzania is one one of the poorest nations on earth!!!
anyways, my point is there is no way you can tell which people are more hard working than which ones. kenyans are NOT more hard working than tanzanians but we kenyans(i think) we are more aggressive than tanzanians.
fyi. capitalim or socialism by themselves are not the best policies but rather a good balance between the two is the best available policy. the scandinavian countries have struck the right balance between socialism and capitalism and that is why they are successfull. me thinks.
Smatta, well wa-Tanzania wapo wahalifu kibiashara lakini wa-Kenya ni wengi zaidi wanaopenda short-cut like most nigerians this are the facts, lol naona unaingiza ushabiki wa albinos shame on youTumain, stop pivoting your argumets on hearsay, Kenyans arent as thieving and dishonest as you are trying to potray, its true that at some incidences you have to corrupt your way into some deals or tenders, and this is not confined to Kenya alone (trust me I know). We all have our weaknesses as people, Nigerians are great in business, but some of them have majored their businesses in illegal activities, that doesnt justify me to refer to all of them as theiving Naijas. Tanzanians are honest, but how many well established Tanzanian businessmen do I know who deal in drugs in Nrb? Many, some deal in fake currency, and these are not isolated cases, its something that happens in both countries. so stop playing the holier than thou role, it doesnt fit you, not after the murders of albinos. ps. not all researches are true, you cant expect any African country to be put in the top 50 hardworking people, it doesnt just add up, not with all the poverty around. but am still stibking to my guns, Kenyans are very hardworking people, at least in Africa. dont get me wrong am not arrogant, am just saying what i have observed.
Enjoy the remainder of the wkend.
Tumain, stop pivoting your argumets on hearsay, Kenyans arent as thieving and dishonest as you are trying to potray, its true that at some incidences you have to corrupt your way into some deals or tenders, and this is not confined to Kenya alone (trust me I know). We all have our weaknesses as people, Nigerians are great in business, but some of them have majored their businesses in illegal activities, that doesnt justify me to refer to all of them as theiving Naijas. Tanzanians are honest, but how many well established Tanzanian businessmen do I know who deal in drugs in Nrb? Many, some deal in fake currency, and these are not isolated cases, its something that happens in both countries. so stop playing the holier than thou role, it doesnt fit you, not after the murders of albinos. ps. not all researches are true, you cant expect any African country to be put in the top 50 hardworking people, it doesnt just add up, not with all the poverty around. but am still stibking to my guns, Kenyans are very hardworking people, at least in Africa. dont get me wrong am not arrogant, am just saying what i have observed.
Enjoy the remainder of the wkend.
Bongolander,Si jambo la kuweza kuamini, kama waziri anaenda kinyume na makubaliano ya kikao cha baraza la mawaziri. Lakini hata kama ni kweli responsibility inakwenda kwa mwenyekiti wa baraza la mawaziri. Mimi siungi mkono Tanzania kujiunga na common market, tunatoa soko tu kwa kenya hakuna cha maana tunachoweza kuuza, hatuna ubavu wa kwenda ku-compete na wakenya kwenye labour market nenda leo Uganda, Bara na Zanzibar, Rwanda na Burundi utakuta almost kila kitu ni made in Kenya hakuna chochote cha maana zaidi ya sigara sportsman au safari beer kinachouzwa huko.
Kama ni kweli tumeingizwa mkenge na serikali.
By: Katrina Manson
For telecoms-tycoon-turned-philanthropist Mo Ibrahim, its one step forward, two steps back. For Benno Ndullu, governor of the central Bank of Tanzania, the whole thing is bound to stall unless problems are ironed out first.
For many Tanzanians, its a threat to their jobs, language and prospects.
But for the leaders of the five-member East African Community (EAC), signing the common market protocol on Friday represents the future fortunes of Burundi, Kenya, Rwanda, Tanzania and Uganda combined.
Signing the document the culmination of a relatively speedy 18 months of negotiation will mean goods, services and the communitys 126 million people can move freely across their borders, in theory at least.
Together, the five countries muster $60 billion in gross domestic product combined, and believe they can prosper better as one unit than apart.
Already they have a customs union, but by 2012 they foresee sharing a single currency and finally political federation.
If you dont get the economic integration process going in Africa youre dead, Tim Clarke, head of delegation at the European Commission in Tanzania, told the Mo Ibrahim Foundation meeting on good governance last weekend.
There are plenty of creases to be ironed out, however whether Rwandans should switch the side of the road they drive on to match up with the region or whether home-made goods are prepared to fight it out against cheaper imports unencumbered by import duties.
Sometimes described as a bowl of spaghetti, many countries belong to overlapping regional economic communities, which makes negotiating as a single bloc tricky.
Other contentious issues include land ownership, common external tariffs, travel documents and protection of ill-prepared local manufacturers and workers.
For EAC Secretary General, Ambassador Juma Mwapachu, who is also a Tanzanian citizen, it is important to overcome what he calls this zero-sum mindset that these people are coming to take our jobs.
The common market is going to send another right signal to the region in terms of enticing investors, he told the Mo Ibrahim Foundation at the weekend.
Some think the countries are nevertheless overambitious in their timescale, while also being slowed down by lengthy protocol: among their planning duties, heads of state mulled a report on the finalisation of the development of the EAC Anthem.
But as they promote cultural cohesion with EAC football, a new EAC headquarters and yes, the new anthem, many are hoping to put the previous failure of the EAC which ran for ten years until it was dissolved amid rancour in 1977 far behind them.
Will it work this time?
Eliakim well said ndugu,Smatta, I always tell kyns pamoja nawe pia, dont be confined in discussing things. Which research has been done showing that you are very hardworkers in africa. Dont bring story za mitaani hapa we need the facts and figures. Give us the emperical things to backup your argument, that's pure and simple.
What we know is that kny is good in win-lose approach in protecting her citizens, particularly the marginalized one. The good examples are eviction from msitu wa Mau, killing of Mungiki, impunity (mzungu anaua raia mara mbili halafu anaachiwa). You have a very bad record on human right. and the most corrupt nation in the region. see http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2009/cpi_2009_table
Focusing matters in narrow perspective is your major problem. Hata saa hii mtu akisema kny maisha ni magumu kuliko tz, utasikia wanajibu, but nairobi hill has a lot of nice buildings, roads etc, and Dar economy is just a half of nairobi. they forget that nairobi is not representing entire kny, it's comprising only a fraction of the country beneficiary. They foget what is up in the rural areas where people have nothing to eat, drink, no school, no hospitals etc. But you will hear smatta saying we are good in queen's language, that's rubish. i've been in quuen's land for quit sometimes, but i never heard a person is proud of speaking or mastering the luo, luya, kikuyu or any afro-venacular. that's weakeness. stop being good example of the impact of colonialism. it's not good at all.
Lastly smatta, kindly, give me your view on the socialistic-market economy, and how can it be cultivated in country like kenya?
I think will be a good start of principled negotiation which will help us to focus on the interest rather than positions or bottom lines.
Alam-siki
kweli kaka...dunia yote iwe moja binadamu afaidi apendavyo kwa kutumia akili yake...na maarifa aliyonayo..lakini watu wengi wanajigamba zaidi kutokana na mipaka na makbila yao shameBerlin conference boundaries zimetuchangaya ile mbaya.Msimamo is/should be -i dont love Kenya/Tanzania/Uganda/Rwanda/Burundi any less I love EA more.
Eliakim well said ndugu,
Hawa jamaa hamna kitu wako so desperate na hungry kupata mali yaani greedy nenda pale kibera, internal displaced people mpaka leo baada ya kuchinjana hakuna solution nini sababu..greedy politician gosh!
Kuhusu biashara nakwambia kenyans wanasiasa wanatuchelewesha watuachie tuingie huko tunawapiga challi hawana lolote ujambazi ndio kitu utajifunza kutoka kwa mjaluo na mkikuyu biashara tunawapita sana trust me...nimefanya nao deals jamaa ni watu short cut na wezi..in long run hii siyo sustainable..lol
Kitu muhimu kufahamu hapa ni kwamba wanaotaka community si wa-kenya wazalendo hao hawana chochote ni hayo makampuni yao ya wazungu wanataka kusije tokea zimbabwe problem ya wazungu kunyang'anywa ardhi na wazalendo wakenya maana kuna unfair land distribution ndio maana wanataka land ya TZ kwa sanaaa..ili wananchi wao wahamie bongo kwa kasi....na biashara zao ziwe na soko kubwa...is a second agenda
All in all hata kwenye hiyo biashara twendeni kenya tuchukue biashara with Tanzanian spirit of honest and trust tutapata wateja wengi wa-kenya ambao wamechoka na upuuzi wa their fellow country man ambao ni wezi na majambazi maana kenya "kurusha mtu ni kama sifa vile" yaani ni deal so SAD with altitude bad indeed..partly wameambukiza watu arusha kina lowassa (sic)
Washindani wetu kenya ni guys from somalia (kenyans of somali origin) wanaweza kutusumbua ni wajanja zaidi achana na hao majambarika hamna kitu cha maana kwao kujifunza kwenye business ..call a spade a spade ni mijitu ya misifa misifa tu na ki-englisha chao..colonial mentally inawasumbua sanaaa..
Usiseme waKenya maskini, sema baadhi yao, wengine wetu wana hela eti. EAC is a blessing, its only right that we embrace it. itakataliwa na watu wenye akili finyu, tukubalini coz its likely that it will be forcefuly pimped to us and pushed down our throats whether we like it or not. na wasilisha,wacha niendelee na Tusker yangu
aise.
mkuu,
wewe ndiye ulikua unalalamika watu wasiitukane kenya hapa,leo unasema wanaokataa EAC ni wenye akili finyu.
Tangu lini nyang'au akawa mwerevu kuliko binadanu?
Heshimu maamuzi ya watu,siku ukiitukana Tanzania nami nitakutukana i'll make sure that i do whatever i can do to impart the sanme feelings in you.Respect wakuu na samahani sana!
Asilimia 3 ya waTZ walisema hawataki, hata bila kuulizwa, imagine, bila kuulizwa! Swali lilkuwa iwapo kuna haja ya kuharakishwa muungano!
labda waje waone mfano ya hawa wakenya wanavyolilia huu unyonyaji wa asset zetu upitishwe. Huwezi fanya biashara yoyote ya maana kenya na wala huwezi invest chochote kenya hamna ardhi ya mchezo.
Serikali yetu tu imeamua kuwanyima haki watanzania wajao, huyu kikwete ni masifa sana. na wenzake wanamlamba kisogo aiuze tanzania yes anaeenda kuiuza tanzania yaani ina uma SANA. tatizo wamekaa juu muda mrefu sana na hawana qualifications za kuongoza nchi kutoka hawataki, wanadhani short cut ya muungano itatusaidia. kinacho uma zaidi watanzania millioni 40 hawana say on all this bullshit.
Wacha manyang'au waje this time tutawaonyesha njia tena nzuri sana. Tanzania is not for sale at any price and those who think they've won should look behind the mirror and see the real Nyang'au.
Juma Contena ndugu yangu, everyone has a say in everything that happens in his life, it just depends with the choices provided. there are a number of things you can do to show your dissatisfaction with the decision the gvt has made: you can organise protests country wide to oppose the community, you can boycott public holidays and form protest rallies, there are alot of things that you can do to show the goverment that you oppose its decision, but to tell you the truth, you (note* Tanzanians) wount because its not in your genetics, nyinyi ni 'wastaarabu' (note the quotes) sana, so in reality, you have no choice but to wait for the leaders to sell your country to the highest bidder, coz your civil society is dead. BUT WHAT DO I KNOW?
hahahhaha.. Inshallah kaka, Inshallah. Lakini tumekubaliana kabisa twaja, tushafika.