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Wikileaks: What Pak leaders told US about Osama

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  1. Askari Kanzu

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    Wikileaks: What Pak leaders told US about Osama

    Nitin Gokhale, Updated: May 04, 2011 02:18 IST

    In collaboration with WikiLeaks, NDTV is reporting on the Pakistan cables. As the debate rages over how much Pakistan knew about Osama Bin Laden's whereabouts, a series of cables show how its leaders repeatedly told the US that while they wanted to help find the terrorist, they didn't know where he was.

    Across the world, questions are being raised - most pointedly in America - about how the world's most-wanted man was eventually hunted down to a house a stone's throw from Pakistan's military academy. "This is going to be a time of real pressure" on Pakistan "to basically prove to us that they didn't know that bin Laden was there," said Senate Homeland Security Committee Chairman Joseph Lieberman this morning.

    The Pakistan cables reflect the repeated denials by Pakistan about housing Osama and America's increasing wariness with those explanations.

    A distrust that is obvious before Pakistani Army Chief Ashfaq Kayani's week-long visit to America in February 2009. On February 19, US Ambassador Anne Patterson wrote to Washington, insisting "US needs to lay down a clear marker that Pakistan's army/ISI must stop over or tacit support for militant proxies such as the Haqqani network... and the Lashkar-e-Taiba." Ambassador Anne Patterson went on to say, "The single-biggest message Kayani should hear in Washington is that this support must end." Ms Patterson also offered this advice, "We should praise Kayani's support for the civilian democratic government in Islamabad, re-iterate the long-term US commitment to support Pakistan." She also stressed, "We should press for Pakistani prosecution of the Mumbai suspects."

    General Kayani also made it clear to the US that his army was doing its best to locate Osama and Ayman al-Zawahiri, who is now expected to take over as the leader of Al-Qaeda. In a meeting on January 9, 2008, the Pakistani Army Chief met with Joseph Lieberman. The Senator asked about the search for Osama and al-Zawahiri. Ambassador Anne Patterson's cable states "It was unjust to criticise Pakistan for not locating these men, asserted Kayani, and he would place Pakistan's track record in pursuing and capturing Al-Qaeda operatives up against any other country's."

    But in April 2007, then President Musharraf is reported as acknowledging that Osama may be in Pakistan. A cable dated April 10, 2007, from the embassy's Charge d'Affaires Peter Bodde reports on a meeting between Senator John McCain and Mr Musharraf. The President allegedly said that he believed Osama and Ayman al Zawahiri - the man who many believe will replace Osama as the head of Al-Qaeda - were "hiding in Bajaur agency. Since it was in Afghan militant leader Gulbuddin Hekmatyar's territory and bordered Afghanistan's Kunar province. Mr Musharraf said that the landscape in videos of the two men looked similar to Bajaur, and the area provided "high mountains... and an absence of US troops in neighbouring Kunar."

    A year later, the Prime Minister of Pakistan contradicted General Musharraf. On April 17, 2008, a cable refers to a meeting between Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and Michael Capuano, William Pascrell and Frank LoBiondo. Mr Gilani was asked where he believed Osama was hiding. The cable says the Prime Minister replied, "The intelligence agencies have no idea, but he's not in Pakistan".

    A point Mr Gilani made again a few weeks later with visiting Senators Carl Levin and Robert Casey. On May 25 2008, Senator Levin asked if the Pakistani government knew where Osama was. Mr Gilani and his Defence Minister, Kamran Rasool, stressed that while they didn't know Osama's coordinates, they were doing their best to cooperate in the hunt for the Al-Qaeda leader. Mr Rasool cited an incident where the US had sent a photo to Pakistan of a man it thought may have been Osama. Mr Rasool said his country's forces had followed the person who did not turn out to be bin Laden. "The point, noted Rasool, was that Pakistan had acted swiftly when given information by the US," recalls a cable dated June 6, 2008.

    In January 2008, a cable reports on a meeting between America's top-most general, David Petraeus and President Asif Zardari, who said that Pakistani forces had not spotted Osama. On Jaunary 9, referring to the war on terror, Mr Zardari assured the General, "We intend to finish the job, defeat is not an option." The cable states, "Zardari said he would not mind paying the price for high-value targets but it did not appear Osama had been in our sights lately. "

    The General highlighted that he had specially chosen Pakistan as his first foreign stop after taking over as head of the US Central Command. The Pakistani President said he needed to create a middle class to fight extremism. "The Taliban," he said, "can outpay my soldiers," the cable states.

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    I pity them because they have some explaining to do to back up 20bn per year aid they get from the Americans. Any serious intelligence agency could smell a rat regarding Osama's residence (unusual high fence, mansion with no telephone service and near military academy). The Americans also have got no other alternative, they will have to continue cooperating with them as they do with Afghanistan.
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    Walifanya kitendo kizuri sana kwenda kumshambulia Osama bila kuwaambia. Viongozi wa pakistan kwani waliogopa kwamba kama wange waambia ahead jamaa wange mtonya osama au wange fanya mbinu za kumkinga.
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    There is something Parkistan hiding around the bush! It does't sound. How comes Osama being found just few metres from Park military acadamy? It still needs a high proof.
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    The Pakistani Cables

    • Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Kayani's February 20-27 visit to Washington comes on the heels of the government's loss of control over Swat, continued Pakistani Army/Frontier Corps operations in the tribal areas, and still-simmering Indo-Pak t
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    • On April 3, President Musharraf met with Senator John McCain (R-AZ) and Representative Richard Renzi (R-AZ), Musharraf's third U.S. Congressional delegation of the day (reftel). The group's discussion focused on Iraq, the broader Middle East, and the Pak
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    • During a November 3 meeting with CENTCOM Commander Petraeus, President Zardari repeated his commitment to fight terrorism, saying "defeat is not an option." He renewed his request for U.S. economic support, indicated he could support some unilateral U.S.
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    • In a January 9 meeting with Codel Lieberman, Chief of Army Staff (COAS) Kayani agreed that increased training and exercises with the U.S. would be of great value, but urged that U.S.-Pakistan military engagement remain low-key for domestic political reasons
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    • PM Gilani met May 25 with Senator Levin and Senator Casey to discuss border security, counterterrorism efforts, development assistance and improving relations with Afghanistan. Gilani described his recent meeting with President Bush and Afghanistan President
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    • Codel Capuano visited Islamabad April 13-14, meeting with Pakistan's new Prime Minister, Interior Minister and Deputy National Assembly Speaker. The delegation included U.S. Representatives Michael Capuano (D-MA), William Pascrell (D-NJ) and Frank LoBion
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    US troops were yards from Osama bin Laden house in 2008 – WikiLeaks files

    US embassy cables show soldiers were due to perform a routine posting 'training the trainers' of Pakistan's federal military unit

    James Ball, Tuesday 3 May 2011 17.50 BST
    WikiLeaks reveals that US forces were stationed yards from Osama bin Laden's compound. Photograph: Faisal Mahmood/Reuters

    US forces were stationed just a few hundred yards from Osama Bin Laden's Abbottabad compound in October 2008, according to reports within the WikiLeaks embassy cables.

    The revelation that US forces were so close to the world's most wanted man in 2008 comes after material from the Guantánamo files suggested the US may have received the intelligence that led them to Bin Laden as early as 2008.

    The US soldiers were due to perform a routine posting "training the trainers" of Pakistan's 70,000-strong federal military unit, the Frontier Corps.

    Abbottabad is home to the Pakistan Military Academy, the country's version of Sandhurst in Britain, and trains officers from across the nation. The academy is streets away from where Bin Laden was tracked down and killed.

    The information about the US troops is contained in the account of a meeting in Washington between the-then US deputy secretary of state, John Negroponte, and Pakistan's foreign minister, Shah Mehmood Qureshi, discussing security co-operation and concerns across the country.

    After both parties agreed the security plans lacked resources, Pakistan's national security advisor, Mahmud Ali Durrani, referred to the training co-operation.

    "Durrani pledged Pakistan's support for the US Training-of-Trainers for the Frontier Corps starting in Abbottabad in October,"
    the report read.

    US forces may have visited the town for a second time, months later, according to the cable. "Due to the slow pace of construction, Durrani added he was doubtful that the more permanent training site at Warsak would be ready for the next iteration of training, scheduled in early 2009.

    "Durrani thanked the US for its support of Pakistan's special forces, but requested more training and equipment to improve Pakistan's capacity, specifically citing lift capability and intelligence sharing."

    Abbottabad is only infrequently mentioned in the 250,000 leaked embassy cables. The cables show the town, 35 miles north of Islamabad, also served as a distribution hub for US and UN aid in the wake of Pakistan's 2005 earthquake.