Vatican proposes 'stunning' shift on gays, lesbians

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Vatican proposes 'stunning' shift on gays, lesbians

By Delia Gallagher, CNN
ROME (CNN) – Using strikingly open language, a new Vatican report says the church should welcome and appreciate gays, and offers a solution for divorced and remarried Catholics who want to receive Communion.
At a press conference on Monday to present the report, Cardinal Louis Antonio Tagle of the Philippines said Catholic clergy meeting here have largely focused on the impact of poverty, war and immigration on families.

But the newly proposed language on gays and civil marriages represents a “pastoral earthquake,” said one veteran Vatican journalist.
“Regarding homosexuals, it went so far as to pose the question whether the church could accept and value their sexual orientation without compromising Catholic doctrine,” said John Thavis, a former Rome bureau chief for Catholic News Service.

The Rev. James Martin, an author and Jesuit priest, called the report's language on gays and lesbians "revolutionary."
“This is a stunning change in the way that the Catholic Church speaks about gay people.”

"The synod said that gay people have 'gifts and talents to offer the Christian community.' This is something that even a few years ago would have been unthinkable," Martin added.

The Catholic Catechism calls homosexual acts “intrinsically disordered” and calls on gays and lesbians to live in chastity. Under Pope Benedict XVI, the church had tried to purge men with "deep-seated homosexual tendencies" from the priesthood.
But Pope Francis, while hewing to Catholic teaching, has signaled a gentler tone, famously saying in 2013 "Who am I to judge?" gays and lesbians. The report released on Monday, a summary of a week of closed-door discussions of nearly 200 bishops, cardinals and priests, together with Pope Francis, continues that trend.

The discussions continue this week and a final report will be issued at the end of the week.
The goal of this meeting, officially called the Extraordinary Synod of Bishops on the Family, is to present working proposals for a larger meeting to be held next October 2015.
Here’s a summary of where the church may be heading on hot-button issues.

Gays and lesbians
The report firmly re-states the Catholic Church’s position that marriage is between a man and a woman and therefore, “unions between people of the same sex cannot be considered on the same footing as matrimony between a man and a woman.”
However it notes that, there are examples of good gay relationships “in which mutual aid to the point of sacrifice constitutes a precious support in the life of partners.”
The report states:

“Homosexuals have gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community. Are we capable of welcoming these people, guaranteeing to them a fraternal space in our communities? Often they wish to encounter a church that offers them a welcoming home. Are our communities capable of providing that, accepting and valuing their sexual orientation, without compromising Catholic doctrine on the family and matrimony?”

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The report adds that the church should pay "special attention to the children who live with couples of the same sex, emphasizing that the needs and rights of the little ones must always be given priority.”
Finally, the report laments any outside pressure from “international bodies” that make “regulations inspired by gender ideology” a prerequisite of financial aid.

Communion
On the hotly debated question of Communion for divorced and remarried Catholics, the synod’s report offers a solution of the “penitential path” or a period of reflection and penance which would allow the partners in a second marriage to receive communion.
This solution, it says, must not be a “general possibility” but one which could be applied in certain cases. It would be up to the local bishop to make the decision.
The document states that this was only one possible solution and that the problem requires further study.

Annulments
“The speeding up of the procedure” of granting annulments was requested by many, according to the report. Various ways to make annulments “more accessible and flexible” were suggested by the Synod.

Contraception
The synod discussions re-iterated the church’s “appropriate teaching regarding natural methods” of birth control.
Citing economic factors which sometimes contribute to the decision not to have children, the synod nonetheless states that “being open to life is an intrinsic requirement of married love.”

Cohabitation and civil marriage
The synod discussions emphasized the “positive reality” of civil weddings and cohabitation which, while not the ideal of Christian marriage, nonetheless contain “constructive elements.”
Many couples who choose to live together, according to the synod, do so for economic reasons.

“Simple cohabitation is often a choice inspired by a general attitude, which is opposed to institutions and definitive undertakings, but also while waiting for a secure existence (a steady job and income).”
“In other countries common-law marriages are very numerous…because getting married is a luxury, so that material poverty encourages people to live in common-law marriages.”
In these cases, the synod says, “The church is called on to be the house of the Fathers, with doors always wide open…where there is a place for everyone, with all their problems.”
(CNN's Daniel Burke contributed to this report.)

 

[bugzbunny]

What the media doesn't tell you is that, the synod can never and is not there to change catholic doctrine.

 

[BAK]

 

[juve2012]

Naomba niitafsisri hii kutoka REUTERS;

Katika kuonyesha mabadiliko kutokana na kawaida yake ya kutoa lugha kali dhidi ya ushoga,Vatican kupitia Waraka wake ujulikanao kama "Relatio" ambao imetoa J,tatu hii,imesema kwamba mashoga wana "gifts and qualities to offer" na kuwaomba wakatoliki kuwakubali mashoga na kuyathamini yale mazuri waliyonayo.

Vikundi vya wakatoliki vya haki za mashoga duniani vimesifia na kuufurahia waraka huo na kuuona kama chanzo cha mabadiliko,lakini wahafidhina ndani ya kanisa wameiita kuwa ni usaliti wa taratibu za asili za ndoa na familia.

Waraka huo ambao umeandaliwa baada ya wiki nzima ya kukutana na kuzungumzia mambo mbali mbali juu ya familia,mkutano uliowahusisha makasisi 200 wa kanisa katoliki,imesema kwamba Kanisa linapaswa kujitathmini na kutoa nafasi kwa mashoga bila kuathiri mafundisho ya ukatoliki juu ya ndoa na familia.

Ingawa waraka huo haujaonyesha moja kwa moja mabadiliko juu ya msimamo wa kanisa kuhusu vitendo pamoja na ndoa za kishoga,imeonyesha kuwa kanisa sasa linalegeza lugha yake,tofauti na ile iliyokuwa ikitumika kabla ya kuapishwa Pope Francis.

"Mashoga wanayo mazuri ya kuipa jamii ya Wakristu,je,tunaweza kuwakaribisha watu hawa,kuwapa nafasi katika jamii zetu?Mara zote wanatamani kuona Kanisa linalowakirimu."

"Je,jamii yetu inaweza kuwaonyesha kwamba inawezekana kuwakubali na kuthamini jinsi yao pasipo kuathiri mafundisho yetu ya ndoa na familia?" Umeuliza waraka huo.

Vikundi vya kikatoliki vya utetezi wa haki za mashoga kama vile U.S Catholic gay rights group na QUEST cha Uingereza vimeusifu waraka huo.

Hata hivyo,John Smeaton wa kundi la wahafidhina la Voice of the Family,anasema,"Viongozi wa synod wamewasaliti wazazi wakatoliki duniani."Ameuita waraka huo kuwa ni mojawapo ya waraka mbaya zaidi kuwahi kuandikwa katika Historia ya Kanisa."

Waraka huo wa Vatican utakuwa msingi wa mazungumzo katika wiki ya pili na ya mwisho ya baraza la maaskofu,linalojulikana kama "synod".Pia utatumika kama mwongozo unaowandaa wakatoliki duniani kote kwa ajili ya synod nyingine kubwa zaidi mwakani.

Idadi kubwa ya washiriki ndani ya mkutano huo wamelitaka Kanisa kuacha kutumia "lugha kali" juu ya ushoga kama ile ya kuuita "intrinsically disordered"

Huo ni msemo ambao ulitumiwa na Papa wa zamani Benedict katika waraka aliouandika wakati akiwa Kadinali kabla ya kuteuliwa kuwa Papa.

Lugha iliyotumika kwenye waraka huu wa sasa,uliosomwa mbele ya Papa Francis,inaonyesha kuwa kilio cha wale wanaotaka Kanisa kuchukuliana na mashoga na watu wenye uhusiano wa ndoa usio rasmi kama vile kuishi pamoja bila kuoana,kimesikika.


Kichwa cha habari hii Reuters kimeandikwa,"Vatican document challenges Church to change attitude to gays."

 

[Utingo]

Oh come soon Lord Jesus!

 

[FaizaFoxy]

Papa alishauliza kwani yeye nani? Hata awahukumu mashoga.

Wasiomuelewa kamaanisha nini ni mapunguani tu.

 

[andate]

Huyu papa wa sasa hivi anaweza kuwa ni Petrus Romanus.

 

[juve2012]

Naikumbuka sana ile radi iliyopiga msalaba wa juu wa St.Peter's Basilica wakati Pope Benedict alipotangaza kujiuzulu.
Nakumbuka mijadala yote humu JF na duniani kote,iliyokuwa ikionyesha wasiwasi wa watu wajuao undani wa mambo baada ya kusikia Jesuit anakalia kiti pale Vatican.

Ni kosa hili hili la kuchukuliana na dunia ambalo Kanisa lilifanya wakati wa Constantine,wakabatizwa maelfu kwa maelfu ya Wapagani kumfuata Constantine pasipokuwa na nia ya dhati na imani ya kweli ya ukristo,ilimradi tu kumfurahisha mfalme ambaye aliamua kuwa mkristu.

Matokeo yake,gradually,kanisa likaelemewa na watu hawa,wakapewa nyadhifa kanisani,wakawa na influence kubwa,ndipo mambo meengi yakatokea,na ukristo umefikia hapa ulipo,umejaa upagani kama "Christmas"n.k..Neno la Mungu likapunguzwa makali kwa kuondoa vitabu vingi in the so called canonicalization of the Word of God,na sasa tumerithi kitu kisichofanana sana na kile walichokuwa nacho Yesu,mitume na manabii wa zamani.

What goes around....

 

[Nyamgluu]

Kuna vitu vingine hutakiwi hata kubishana na watu. Unawaacha tu wasome wenyewe na hata kama kwa nje watabisha, ndani ya mioyo yao watajua ukweli.

 

[juve2012]

Ntuzu upo?naona umejikalia kimya na kuyaacha " mawe" yapige kelele.Wanasema ukweli ni mzoga,utaufichaficha wee,ila kuna siku harufu itakuumbua.Wenyewe unaanza kunuka bila ridhaa yako.

Endelea kujikalia kimya mwaya,Yesu alisema hata mawe yatapiga kelele kuuhubiri ukweli!

 

[Ntuzu]

Ntuzu upo?naona umejikalia kimya na kuyaacha " mawe" yapige kelele.Wanasema ukweli ni mzoga,utaufichaficha wee,ila kuna siku harufu itakuumbua.Wenyewe unaanza kunuka bila ridhaa yako.

Endelea kujikalia kimya mwaya,Yesu alisema hata mawe yatapiga kelele kuuhubiri ukweli!

Mkuu juve2012 nimekua mtizamaji tu siku hizi Lkn wakija kichwa kichwa siwezi kuacha kuwapiga ukweli..!

Huku Ndio kudhihirishwa kwa mpinga kristo kule kulikosemwa na maandiko...!

Na kamwe hatutaacha kutoa wito kwa watu wa Mungu watoke huko wasishiriki mvinyo wake na gadhabu ya Mungu..!

Alafu hii kitu ikikubalika basi Inakua mapokeo ya kanisa basi moja kwa moja tunatayapokea hayo na kuyafata kwani hayo yamefanyika chini ya Roho mtakatifu..! Teh Teh Teh Teh mawiiiiiie..! Huyo sio Roho mtakatifu ni Roho Za shetani tena adanganyae na ziko nyingi sn zikidanya ulimwengu...!

RGforever MTAZAMO Mkuu wa chuo Eiyer Lawkeys naombeni maoni yenu Kutokana na hili jambo..!

 

[Ntuzu]

Naikumbuka sana ile radi iliyopiga msalaba wa juu wa St.Peter's Basilica wakati Pope Benedict alipotangaza kujiuzulu.
Nakumbuka mijadala yote humu JF na duniani kote,iliyokuwa ikionyesha wasiwasi wa watu wajuao undani wa mambo baada ya kusikia Jesuit anakalia kiti pale Vatican.

Ni kosa hili hili la kuchukuliana na dunia ambalo Kanisa lilifanya wakati wa Constantine,wakabatizwa maelfu kwa maelfu ya Wapagani kumfuata Constantine pasipokuwa na nia ya dhati na imani ya kweli ya ukristo,ilimradi tu kumfurahisha mfalme ambaye aliamua kuwa mkristu.

Matokeo yake,gradually,kanisa likaelemewa na watu hawa,wakapewa nyadhifa kanisani,wakawa na influence kubwa,ndipo mambo meengi yakatokea,na ukristo umefikia hapa ulipo,umejaa upagani kama "Christmas"n.k..Neno la Mungu likapunguzwa makali kwa kuondoa vitabu vingi in the so called canonicalization of the Word of God,na sasa tumerithi kitu kisichofanana sana na kile walichokuwa nacho Yesu,mitume na manabii wa zamani.

What goes around....

Mkuu ktk Uzi Fulani nilisema hiki kitu kwamba kuongoka kwa Costantine na kuingia kanisani watu wengi walifurahi Lkn kumbe kanisa lilikua linaelekea ktk kupotea kabisa na kuacha njia ya Yesu mitume na manabii... Na sote tunajua na history iko wazi kabisa kua mnamo karne ya tatu, Huyu Costantine alianza harakati Za kubadili siku ya kupimzika kutoka siku ya Saba kwenda siku ya kwanza ya Juma..! Na atimae akafanikiwa.... Na huo Ndio uliokua mwanzo wa mambo mengi sn ambayo yako kinyume na Mungu kuanza kuibuka ktk kanisa.

 

[Eiyer]

Mkuu juve2012 nimekua mtizamaji tu siku hizi Lkn wakija kichwa kichwa siwezi kuacha kuwapiga ukweli..!

Huku Ndio kudhihirishwa kwa mpinga kristo kule kulikosemwa na maandiko...!

Na kamwe hatutaacha kutoa wito kwa watu wa Mungu watoke huko wasishiriki mvinyo wake na gadhabu ya Mungu..!

Alafu hii kitu ikikubalika basi Inakua mapokeo ya kanisa basi moja kwa moja tunatayapokea hayo na kuyafata kwani hayo yamefanyika chini ya Roho mtakatifu..! Teh Teh Teh Teh mawiiiiiie..! Huyo sio Roho mtakatifu ni Roho Za shetani tena adanganyae na ziko nyingi sn zikidanya ulimwengu...!

RGforever MTAZAMO Mkuu wa chuo Eiyer Lawkeys naombeni maoni yenu Kutokana na hili jambo..!

Sijajua ukweli wa habari hii ....

Lakini pamoja na yote hii ni hatari sana kama ni kama msemavyo!

 

[Eiyer]

Naikumbuka sana ile radi iliyopiga msalaba wa juu wa St.Peter's Basilica wakati Pope Benedict alipotangaza kujiuzulu.
Nakumbuka mijadala yote humu JF na duniani kote,iliyokuwa ikionyesha wasiwasi wa watu wajuao undani wa mambo baada ya kusikia Jesuit anakalia kiti pale Vatican.

Ni kosa hili hili la kuchukuliana na dunia ambalo Kanisa lilifanya wakati wa Constantine,wakabatizwa maelfu kwa maelfu ya Wapagani kumfuata Constantine pasipokuwa na nia ya dhati na imani ya kweli ya ukristo,ilimradi tu kumfurahisha mfalme ambaye aliamua kuwa mkristu.

Matokeo yake,gradually,kanisa likaelemewa na watu hawa,wakapewa nyadhifa kanisani,wakawa na influence kubwa,ndipo mambo meengi yakatokea,na ukristo umefikia hapa ulipo,umejaa upagani kama "Christmas"n.k..Neno la Mungu likapunguzwa makali kwa kuondoa vitabu vingi in the so called canonicalization of the Word of God,na sasa tumerithi kitu kisichofanana sana na kile walichokuwa nacho Yesu,mitume na manabii wa zamani.

What goes around....

Mkuu kwani kuna uhakika gani ilipiga hiyo radi pale?
Na kama ni radi kweli,kwani ilikuwa na tofauti gani na radi zingine?

Ni kweli kabisa unakubali Papa ni Mpinga Kristo?

 

[50thebe]

What the media doesn't tell you is that, the synod can never and is not there to change catholic doctrine.

I suppose you have a point. But, why the media is setting these arguments at borderline? What is the motive behind such reporting? Is there a room for catholic doctrine to accommodate the ongoing changes specifically on perspectives towards same sex marriage?

 

[Ntuzu]

Sijajua ukweli wa habari hii ....

Lakini pamoja na yote hii ni hatari sana kama ni kama msemavyo!

Tusubiri Tuone mkuu....!

 

[Genekai]

Another media HOAX about the Church!!!


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[incharge]

Hayo mambo ndiyo nyumbani kwake huko vatican na mambo hayo kama uji na mgonjwa

 

[al jinn]

Heheh media HOAX?????

 

[FaizaFoxy]

https://www.jamiiforums.com/dini-imani/41044-vatican-gay-priest-caught.html