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Vatican, Irish bishops finish sex abuse talks

Discussion in 'Habari na Hoja mchanganyiko' started by Ujengelele, Feb 16, 2010.

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    Vatican, Irish bishops finish sex abuse talks

    Last Updated: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 Comments32Recommend21

    The Associated Press

    Pope Benedict XVI meets with Irish bishops at the Vatican on Monday. (Osservatore Romano/Associated Press) Ireland's bishops and Pope Benedict XVI wrapped up talks at the Vatican Tuesday aimed at regaining the trust of Catholics shaken by revelations of clergy sex abuse and coverup, as new anger flared over the refusal of the papal representative to Ireland to testify before lawmakers there.
    A second day of an extraordinary meeting between Pope Benedict and 24 diocesan bishops was held behind closed doors in the Apostolic Palace.
    The Vatican promised to comment on the crisis after the summit ends in the early afternoon, and some bishops have agreed to speak at a news conference later in the day.
    Vatican diplomat criticized

    The Holy See did not immediately react Tuesday to what appeared to be a new obstacle to regaining Irish Catholic confidence. Irish lawmakers denounced the refusal of Pope Benedict's diplomat in Ireland to testify to a parliamentary panel probing church co-operation with investigations into the abuse coverup.
    The papal nuncio to Ireland, Cardinal Giuseppe Leanza, who was among the summit's participants, told lawmakers in a letter published Monday he would not answer questions from the Parliament's foreign affairs committee.
    "I wish to inform that it is not the practice of the Holy See that apostolic nuncios appear before parliamentary commissions," he wrote in the letter dated Feb. 12.
    Leanza has faced heavy criticism in Ireland for ignoring letters from two state-ordered investigations into how the church for decades suppressed reports of child abuse by parish priests and in Catholic-run residences for poor children.
    Irish activists seek apology

    Benedict's top aide, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, welcomed the bishops to the Vatican on Monday with a stern call for sinners among their ranks to own up to blame in the fullness of truth.
    The summit was also called to help the pontiff prepare a special letter to the Irish people apologizing for church failures to protect thousands of children.
    Irish activists are demanding much more, including resignations of all bishops who failed to inform police about reports of pedophile priests. They also demand that the Pope accept in full the findings of the Irish investigations, which some church officials in Ireland have criticized as unfair.
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    ThNick Palliser wrote:
    The whole thing smacks of a farce. Imagine if you will, military brass meeting with the minister of defence to discuss the deaths of afghan civilians durubng the all-out offensive in 2001 and 2002 with apologies and reparations to their families. What a joke. The Vatican is a criminal organisation, the world's largest pedophile ring and organised crime at the highest levels of humanity.

    pdhlondon wrote:Posted 2010/02/16
    at 10:14 AM ETRussell Pastuch wrote: " [the Bible] was an attempt by people of 5,000 years ago to explain their world and is as true now


    Actually Russell, the modern Bible was largely developed in 352AD by the Roman ruler Constantine at the Council of Nicea. All the key dates and events were made to conform with the thinking of the day and the convenience of the rulers. This was not a historic text created 5000 years ago. It is a relatively modern storybook - - no more - - no less.

    I have nothing against organized religion or its associated myths. I just don't care for people suggesting that the Bible is the written word of God and must be obeyed to the letter on pain of spending eternity in Hell. That just makes no sense at all.

    Masquerade wrote:Posted 2010/02/16
    at 10:14 AM ETMistake #1 was ever mistaking Religion for Faith, the former being a parasite on the later. Religion cannot survive without faith; but Faith tends to thrive in the absence of religion.

    Shifty: Thanks for sharing the info on that Logo. Made me both laugh and shake my head in disbelief. They don't get it. They never have, and never will.

    Of course, I am surprised the media is not making more out of the allegations not coming to light in Germany. You know, the Pope's home country! Where he was a Bishop for decades. I find it telling that the public has not demanded to know what he knew, and when he knew it.

    Frank Talk wrote:Posted 2010/02/16
    at 10:07 AM ETTheEnemyAtHome ...
    "hilarious that a bunch of elderly virgins have taken weeks to talk all about this issue, but haven't even apologized for it yet. absolutely revoting."
    This all depends on your definition of virgin. Given the number of times that stories of priests sexually abusing children have come to light and ended in a criminal conviction, one must wonder about the vow of chastity. Some of them might be sitting at that table.

    These people are deviants. They prey on the weak. If their vow of chastity causes them that much of a problem, get out of the priesthood, or go find a shower, or any other private area and masturbate in order to "get rid of the problem". They need not continue to prey on children.

    If those at the table truly were virgins and were true believers in what they say they stand for, they would be repulsed and demand that the abusers be brought to proper justice, not simply hidden, or sent to a parish where they are not known and allowed to find new victims.

    sugarpei wrote:Posted 2010/02/16
    at 9:48 AM ETII checked 1973 Catholic Church Archdiocesan Youth Commission logo and it gives me the creeps. The Vatican just doesn't get it. They appear to be more concerned about damage to catholic church than about damage to victims.