Ujenzi wa Reli ya Kati Standard Gauge: Ina Maana Huduma za Reli Zitasimamishwa?

[Synthesizer]

Wana JF, nimekuwa nikijiuliza sana juu ya hii ahadi ya serikali kwamba reli ya kati itabadilishwa toka gauge ndogo iliyopo sasa na kupanuliwa kuwa kubwa standard gauge ambayo ni ya kimataifa. Kitu ambacho serikali haituambii ni kama hii reli ya standard gauge itakuwa mpya au itajengwa katika njia ile ile ya reli ya zamani, na nini kitafanyika kuhusiana na huduma za reli wakati wa kujenga standard gauge.

Kama standard gauge itajengwa katika njia/reli ya zamani, ina maana huduma ya treni za abiria na mizigo zitasimamishwa wakati wote standard gauge ikijengwa? Najua kwamba kujenga standard gauge katika njia mpya ni gharama kubwa, ambapo sidhani kama huo ndio mpango uliopo. Na pia, kumbuka kwamba tunapoongelea standard gauge ni kwamba hatuna mabehewa na locomotives za standard gauge, na hivyo hatuwezi kusema wakati tunaendelea kujenga standard gauge, huduma zinaweza kuendelea kule ambako tayari standard gauge imekamilika, kama tunavyofanya kwenye ujenzi wa barabara.

Nimeona niliongelee hili kwa kuwa ni kama suala la standard gauge linaongelewa zaidi kisiasa kuliko kiteknolojia. Kama kuna mtu ana majibu yanayoeleweka tafadhali tuelimishane.

Update

Ujenzi reli ya kisasa kigugumizi

By Fidelis Butahe,Mwananchi fbutahe@mwananchi.co.tz


Dodoma. Licha ya wabunge kushinikiza ujenzi wa reli ya kisasa (standard gauge), Serikali jana imeendelea kusisitiza kuwa haiwezi kujenga reli hiyo kwa kutumia bajeti yake, huku akishikwa kigugumizi kueleza mpango ilionao kuhusu ujenzi huo.

Akijibu hoja za wabunge kwenye mjadala wa mwongozo wa kuandaa mpango wa bajeti ya Serikali mwaka 2016/17, Waziri wa Fedha na Mipango, Dk Philip Mpango alisema kama Serikali itatumia fedha za mfuko wa reli, ambazo ni Sh50 bilioni kila mwaka, itatumia miaka 320 kujenga reli hiyo.

Siku tatu zilizopita, wabunge wanaotoka kwenye mikoa ambayo Reli ya Kati inapita, waliungana kushinikiza ujenzi wa reli hiyo, wakisema bila ya Serikali kusikiliza kilio chao, watahamasishana ili waisusie bajeti ya Serikali ya mwaka 2016/17.

Katika maelezo yake, Dk Mpango alisema gharama za kujenga reli hiyo ni kati ya dola bilioni saba mpaka tisa na nusu (Sh15 trilioni).

Alisema hata nchi ikitumia mapato yake yote ya kodi ambayo ni takriban Sh12 trilioni, kwa mwaka mmoja na miezi mitatu, reli hiyo itajengwa kwa miaka minne.”

Alisema mbali na uwezo wa Serikali kuijenga kwa mapato yake ya ndani, utafiti uliofanyika unaonyesha kuwa, ili mradi huo uwe na manufaa kiuchumi, lazima matawi yake ya kwenda nchi za Burundi, Rwanda na DRC yajengwe. Alisema kama nchi itaamua kujenga reli hiyo kulingana na mawazo ya wabunge, nchi itakosa fursa kubwa kwa kuwa mzigo wa kwenye reli ya kati hautaweza kurudisha gharama ya ujenzi.

 

[bona]

Duh its a challenge ngoja wadau waje kutujuza apa

 

[Synthesizer]

Duh its a challenge ngoja wadau waje kutujuza apa

Sipendi mambo ya kihandisi kufanyika kisiasa Mkuu. Kuna watu huwa wanadhani wahandisi ni watu wa kupewa amri tu bila kushirikishwa kwenye maamuzi na matamko kama haya.

 

[born again pagan]

Kitakachofanyika kwa locomotives na mabehewa ni kubadili wheels tu, ila tunachotaka kujua ni kwamba, je wakati wa ujenzi wa hiyo SGR usafiri utasimamishwa au utaendelea na kwa style ipi?

 

[Synthesizer]

Kitakachofanyika kwa locomotives na mabehewa ni kubadili wheels tu, ila tunachotaka kujua ni kwamba, je wakati wa ujenzi wa hiyo SGR usafiri utasimamishwa au utaendelea na kwa style ipi?

Mkuu, hivi kubadili matari ya mabehewa na locomotives kwenda standard gauge ni rahisi kiasi hicho, kama ambavyo unatupa picha hapa? Kumbuka kwamba mabehewa na locomotives zetu sidhani kwamba ni aina zile zinazobadilishwa.

Check hapa Wikipedia:

Bogie exchange

Bogie exchange is a system for operating railway wagons on two or more gauges to overcome difference in the track gauge. To perform a bogie exchange, a car is converted from one gauge to another by removing the bogies or trucks (the chassis containing the wheels and axles of the car), and installing a new bogie with differently spaced wheels. It is generally limited to wagons and carriages, though diesel engines can be exchanged if enough time is available.

Bogie wagons can have their gauge changed by lifting them off one set of bogies and putting them back down again on another set of bogies. The pin that centres the bogies and the hoses and fittings for the brakes must be compatible. A generous supply of bogies of each gauge is needed to accommodate the ebb and flow of traffic. The bogies and wagons also need to have standardized hooks, etc., where they may be efficiently lifted. Four-wheel wagons are not suitable for gauge change

Diesel locomotives have bogies like wagons and carriages, only with more cables for the traction motors and take a little longer to convert. In Australia, some classes of diesel locomotives are regularly gauge-converted[citation needed] to suit traffic requirements on the 1,435 mm (4 ft 8 1⁄2 in), 1,600 mm (5 ft 3 in), and 1,067 mm (3 ft 6 in) networks.

Since the 1,067 mm (3 ft 6 in) networks are not all connected to each other, being separated by deserts or lines of other gauges, they are bogie-exchanged or piggybacked on road or rail vehicles when transferred between these networks.

 

[born again pagan]

Mkuu, hivi kubadili matari ya mabehewa na locomotives kwenda sndard gauge ni rahisi kiasi hicho?

Sio rahisi sana in terms of cost, lakini ni cheaper uki-compare na kununua kila kitu kipya.

 

[Batili]

Sio rahisi sana in terms of cost, lakini ni cheaper uki-compare na kununua kila kitu kipya.

Anataka jua ni easy na sio Cheap

 

[Deo Corleone]

Niliona picha kuwa reli ishaanzwa kujengwa.

 

[born again pagan]

Anataka jua ni easy na sio Cheap

Nothing is easy mkuu

 

[Batili]

Wana JF, nimekuwa nikijiuliza sana juu ya hii ahadi ya serikali kwamba reli ya kati itabadilishwa toka gauge ndogo iliyopo sasa na kupanuliwa kuwa kubwa standard gauge ambayo ni ya kimataifa. Kitu ambacho serikali haituambii ni kama hii reli ya standard gauge itakuwa mpya au itajengwa katika njia ile ile ya reli ya zamani, na nini kitafanyika kuhusiana na huduma za reli wakati wa kujenga standard gauge.

Kama standard gauge itajengwa katika njia/reli ya zamani, ina maana huduma ya treni za abiria na mizigo zitasimamishwa wakati wote standard gauge ikijengwa? Najua kwamba kujenga standard gauge katika njia mpya ni gharama kubwa, ambapo sidhani kama huo ndio mpango uliopo. Na pia, kumbuka kwamba tunapoongelea standard gauge ni kwamba hatuna mabehewa na locomotives za standard gauge, na hivyo hatuwezi kusema wakati tunaendelea kujenga standard gauge, huduma zinaweza kuendelea kule ambako tayari standard gauge imekamilika, kama tunavyofanya kwenye ujenzi wa barabara.

Nimeona niliongelee hili kwa kuwa ni kama suala la standard gauge linaongelewa zaidi kisiasa kuliko kiteknolojia. Kama kuna mtu ana majibu yanayoeleweka tafadhali tuelimishane.

Na labda nikutoe wasiwasi, serikali ina wataalam wa kutosha kufanya Cost analysis.
Hongera kwa kujali...unaweza futa uzi wako sasa.

 

[Synthesizer]

Nothing is easy mkuu

Exactly Mkuu!!! Ndio maana nikawa na wasiwasi kwamba haya mambo yanasemwa kisiasa kuliko ki-injinia

 

[Synthesizer]

Na labda nikutoe wasiwasi, serikali ina wataalam wa kutosha kufanya Cost analysis.
Hongera kwa kujali...unaweza futa uzi wako sasa.

Mkuu soma tena post yangu. Suala la cost wala halipo pale kama ni critical issue. Ujanja sio kuwahi kujibu post.

 

[golden ratio]

The new line might run parallel to the existing one as the case in kenya so as not to disrupt the existing transport network

 

[Synthesizer]

The new line might run parallel to the existing one as the case in kenya so as not to disrupt the existing transport network

I would think so. But then, if this is the case, do you really think our government is giving this project the prominence it deserves? I am just dumbfounded that they talk about it like it is just a small project involving flipping a switch somewhere, and voilà, we have changed to standard gauge! I have a feeling they have no idea what this whole undertaking involves, from an engineering point of view. Politicians planning a massive engineering feat.

 

[golden ratio]

I would think so. But then, if this is the case, do you really think our government is giving this project the prominence it deserves? I am just dumbfounded that they talk about it like it is just a small project involving flipping a switch somewhere, and voilà, we have changed to standard gauge! I have a feeling they have no idea what this whole undertaking involves, from an engineering point of view. Politicians planning a massive engineering feat.

True that. Again the Kenyan project is 90% funded by Chinese exim bank$3.9 b.That is why it is already underway.

 

[Dragoon]

Hii inawezekana. Standard Gauge Railway si lazima ifuate njia ya reli ya zamani. inaweza tafutiwa njia tofauti kabisa na reli ya zamani na hata isikutane na reli hiyo (kama reli ya kati na reli ya Tazara sisivyoingiliana). Pia uwezekano wa reli hiyo ya SGR inaweza jengwa parallel na reli iliyopo, bila kuadhiri chochote. Kwa kifupi, ujenzi wa reli hii hautaadhiri kwa namna yeyote operations za reli iliyopo

 

[Synthesizer]

True that. Again the Kenyan project is 90% funded by Chinese exim bank$3.9 b.That is why it is already underway.

Ahaaa! Now you are talking. A project that requires a capital outlay to the tune of $5bn (ours is longer than one in Kenya) and they talk about it like it is just a kitchen party cost item.

 

[Batili]

Mkuu soma tena post yangu. Suala la cost wala halipo pale kama ni critical issue. Ujanja sio kuwahi kujibu post.

Unajua Cost analysis ni nini? Unajua Opportunity Cost ni zipi?

 

[mashahu]

Kumbe kubadili wheels ni shughuli pevu.

 

[365]

Iko hivi,
Standard gauge itajengwa kwenye njia Yake ila sambamba na ya zamani,
Halafu hizi injini na mabehewa tuliyonunua hivi karibuni ni kwa ajili ya standard gauge sababu hata huko yalikua yanatembea kwenye reli za standard gauge zilivyofika tz zikawa adjusted kwa reli yetu lakini pia Ujenzi Wa reli mpya utaenda sambamba na ununuzi Wa train angalau tano mpya za abilia na za mizigo kama hamsini.juu ya hilo reli ya zamani itaendelea kutumika kama njia ya pili kwa maana hiyo tutakuwa na njia mbili za treni ordinary na standard,

Pia elewa kwamba reli hii itajengwa kwa pesa za msaada na ndo maana haiko kwenye bajeti ya serikali na hela Yake ilishaletwa,kilichobaki ni Magufuli kuzindua tu sababu Ujenzi unatakiwa uanze rasmi January 2016.reli ya standard gauge ya mfano na kwa ajili ya uzinduzi imejengwa maeneo ya soga kama unaelekea ruvu,kimejengwa kipande cha kilomita mbili.

Kwa taarifa zaidi fika makao makuu TRL DSm