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Turkish Jet downed by Syria while in International airspace!

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  1. Ab-Titchaz

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    Turkish jet 'downed by Syria in international airspace'


    Turkey's foreign minister has said the fighter jet shot down by Syrian air defence forces on Friday was in international airspace when it was hit.

    Ahmet Davutoglu said the unarmed plane was not on a secret mission related to Syria, but had mistakenly entered Syrian airspace before the incident.

    Syria maintains that it engaged the aircraft in its airspace "according to the laws that govern such situations".
    The Turkish and Syrian navies are still searching for the two crew members.

    Turkey's government has promised that its response will be strong, decisive and legitimate once it has ascertained all the circumstances surrounding the downing of the jet.


    The Turkish military lost radio contact with the F-4 Phantom while it was flying over Hatay province

    1. F-4 Phantom takes off from Erhac airbase, Turkey, at approximately 10:28 local time (07:28 GMT), on 22 June

    2. Syria says the jet enters its airspace at 11:40 (08:40 GMT)

    3. Turkish military loses contact with the plane at 11:58 (08:58 GMT), while it is over Hatay province

    4. Syria says its air defences engaged aircraft about 1km (0.6 miles) from the coast and that it crashed into the sea 10km (6 miles) west of Om al-Tuyour.


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    Mh...hawa Turkey wanatumiwa na kutumika...wanadai kua Syria imetungua ndege yake kwenye international water while the wreckage have been found in SYRIA water how come? Leo tumeona ktk vyombo vya habari kua on Tuesday NATO members watakua na mkutano kwani kulingana na sheria za NATO article 4 ni kua any member state akivamiwa ni kua wamevamiwa wote so we dont know what gonna happen...But many internatinals news kwenye comments za wasomaji wengi wao wamesifu hatua ya Syria kutungua ndege kwani ilikua inajilinda na wavamizi waliokua wanachezea anga yake pia ikumbukwe Rais wa Syria na PM wa Uturiki kwa sasa haziivi na huyu PM amekua akitamka wazi kua inabidi rais wa syria aondoke madarakani na amekua akiwapa au kuruhusu nchi yake itumike kuwapa njia na silaha waasi wanaoshambulia majeshi ya serikali...na kuna covert operation zinazofanya na CIA,MOSSAD,M16 throu Turkey and it has been save haven for the rabels..pia kuna wanaosema before NO FLY ZONE to be implementd walikua wana test capabilities ya AIR DEFENCE YA SYRIA ambapo defense yake ni ya URUSI mf S-300 ANT MISSILE hizi zina uwezo wa kutungua makombora na ndege za kivita pia kuna IRANIA RADAR ambazo Israel walisema sana kua Iran has supplied advance radar to Syria...So who knows kua Turky wanatumiwa ili tu hialalishwe vita ya kuivamia Syria kwani kila juhudi za kumuondoa Rais wa Syria hazijafanikiwa...so lets wait n see
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    A Turkish Air Force F-4 war plane fires during a military exercise in Izmir, in this …

    ANKARA/BEIRUT (Reuters) - Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu phoned world powers on Saturday to brief them about the downing of one of Ankara's planes by Syria as a joint search for the airmen, who were shot down over the Mediterranean, tried to locate them.
    Signals from both sides suggested neither wanted a military confrontation over Friday's incident as the search focused its efforts near a Turkish province that hosts thousands of rebels fighting President Bashar al-Assad.
    Given the hostility between the two former allies over Assad's 16-month-old crackdown on his opponents, the joint operation was likely to sit uneasily with both countries.

    Iraq, which borders both, said the incident marked a serious escalation of the Syrian conflict, demonstrating its potential to affect other countries in the region.

    "No country is immune from this spillover because of the composition of the societies, the extensions, the connections, the sectarian, ethnic dimensions," Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari said in Baghdad. "This is not an excuse to do nothing about Syria, no. But there will be an impact."
    Turkey has declared it will respond decisively.

    "It is not possible to cover over a thing like this. Whatever is necessary will no doubt be done," Turkish President Abdullah Gul told reporters, adding that Ankara had been in telephone contact with the Syrian authorities.
    Davutoglu, Turkey's foreign minister, on Saturday evening phoned foreign ministers from the United States, Britain, France, Russia,

    and Iran as well as the European Union's foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton, a spokesman for the foreign ministry said. He had briefed them about Turkey's evaluation of the incident, the spokesman added.
    The plane's downing showcased Syria's Russian-supplied air defenses - one of the many reasons Western powers are loathe to intervene to halt bloodshed in the country.

    U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon urged Turkey and Syria to handle the matter with restraint, using diplomatic channels.
    Turkey's Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc said the downed jet was a reconnaissance aircraft. Turkish media had said it was an F-4 Phantom, a fighter also used for reconnaissance.

    According to a Syrian military account, the Turkish plane was flying fast and low, just one kilometer off the Syrian coast when it was shot down. It had been tracked at first as an unidentified aircraft and its Turkish origin established later.

    "The navies of the two countries have established contact. Syrian naval vessels are participating along with the Turkish side in the search operation for the missing pilots," it said.
    With the second biggest army in NATO, a force hardened by nearly 30 years of fighting Kurdish rebels, Turkey would be a formidable

    foe for a Syrian military already struggling to put down a popular uprising and an increasingly potent insurgency.
    A civil war is already in full swing in Syria, where fighting or shelling engulfed parts of the cities of Aleppo, Hama, Homs, Deir al-Zor and Douma, according to the British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.


    Davutoglu met Turkey's military commanders and intelligence chief to discuss the search for the pilots and Ankara's next steps. [ID:nL5E8HN1D3] He was due to make a statement about the incident on state TV on Sunday morning.
    Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan held two security meetings with senior officials, less than 24 hours after he convened a crisis session on Friday evening.

    Separately, he called a meeting with the leaders of the country's main opposition parties for Sunday.
    "Turkey will present its final stance after the incident has been fully brought to light and decisively take the necessary steps," Erdogan's office said.

    Turkish newspapers were less restrained.

    "They (the Syrians) will pay the price," said Vatan, while Hurriyet daily said: "He (Assad) is playing with fire."
    Turkish media at first reported Erdogan on Friday as saying Syria had apologized, but the prime minister later said he could not confirm receiving such an apology.
    Neither side gave any details of the joint naval search or of any communication between the two sides.

    The operation was not without its ironies. Less than 50 km (30 miles) away in Turkey's southeastern Hatay province, authorities give refuge to Free Syrian Army rebels who cross daily to attack Syrian government forces. The territory also shelters over 30,000 refugees.

    Turkey denies suggestions it is supplying weapons to rebels or that it is allowing third party weapons to travel across Turkish territory into rebel hands.
    However, an Arab diplomat in Jeddah said on Saturday Saudi Arabia and Qatar were paying salaries to Syrian rebels, with Turkish involvement.

    "The payment has been going on for months and the agreement was made on April 2 by Saudi Arabia and Qatar, with logistical organization from Turkey where some Free Syrian Army factions are based," he said, asking not to be named.
    "The point of this is to encourage as many factions of the Syrian army to defect and to organize the FSA, control it and prevent any extremist organizations from joining it."

    A spokesman for Saudi Arabia's foreign ministry said he was not aware of reports that the kingdom was funding Syrian rebels.
    The souring of Syrian-Turkish relations has provoked concern among Turks that Syria may revive its former support for Kurdistan

    Workers Party (PKK) insurgents in southeastern Turkey in retaliation for Turkish backing of Syrian rebels.
    "It's possible the Turks were sending jets in the area in response to an apparent escalation of the PKK's activities," Hilal Khashan, a political science professor at the American University of Beirut, told Reuters.
    However, Khashan said he did not expect a harsh military reaction from Turkey. "It is under a tight leash by the United States. They don't want to start a war tomorrow."

    Inside Syria, opposition activists reported heavy fighting in Deir Ezzor, an oil-producing region bordering Iraq.
    The Syrian Arab Red Crescent also said one of its volunteers had been killed in the region while on first aid duty on Friday. He had been shot in the head while wearing a uniform clearly marked with the organization's emblem, it said.

    Turkey fears the fighting, much of which pits majority Sunni dissidents and rebels against Assad's Alawite-dominated security forces, could unleash a flood of refugees over its own border and ignite a regional sectarian conflict.
    Ankara has previously floated the possibility of setting up a safe haven or humanitarian corridor inside Syria, which would entail military intervention, but has said it would undertake no such action without U.N. Security Council approval.
    Turkey has said however that Assad must go.

    It was unclear why the Syrians had shot down the aircraft, which, having left a base in Malatya, was flying close to a corridor linking Turkey with Turkish forces on Northern Cyprus.

    "The Syrians are clearly quite nervous and are likely to interpret any action, however innocent, as hostile," said Henri Barkey, an international relations professor at LeHigh University. "Second, reports of Turkish arms support for the insurgents also feeds the paranoia of the regime, understandably."

    It was also possible the air defenses could have mistaken the aircraft for a defecting pilot, following an incident earlier in the week when a Syrian aircraft landed in Jordan.

    Russia and China, Assad's strongest backers abroad, firmly oppose any outside interference in the Syrian crisis, including foreign arming or funding of insurgents, saying envoy Kofi Annan's stalled peace plan is the only way forward.
    Assad's prime minister, appointed after a parliamentary election conducted last month despite the violence convulsing the country,

    named a new cabinet on Saturday, retaining the same interior, defense and foreign ministers.
    (Additional reporting by Khaled Yacoub Oweis in Amman, Erika Solomon in Beirut, Stephanie Nebehay in Geneva, Asma Alsharif in Jeddah, Anna Ringstrom in Baghdad and William Maclean in London; Writing by Alistair Lyon; Editing by Ralph Boulton and Andrew Osborn)

    Turkish, Syrian forces seek downed Turkish jet - Yahoo! News Canada
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    Nato calls talks over downed Turkey plane


    Photo | FILE Turkey's Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu during a news conference in Ankara on September 2, 2011

    By AFP
    Posted Sunday, June 24 2012 at 19:35

    BRUSSELS, Sunday

    Nato will hold an emergency meeting on Tuesday to discuss the downing of a Turkish jet by Syrian forces, a spokeswoman for the Atlantic Alliance said Tuesday.

    "Turkey has requested consultations under Article 4" of Nato's founding treaty under which member countries can request a meeting if their security is threatened, Nato spokeswoman Oana Lungescu said, adding that the meeting would take place on Tuesday.

    The moves came after Ankara accused its onetime ally of shooting down a Turkish F-4 phantom jet on Friday when it was clearly in international airspace after briefly straying into Syrian territory.

    "According to our conclusions, our plane was shot down in international airspace, 13 nautical miles from Syria," Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told TRT television.

    "The plane did not show any sign of hostility toward Syria and was shot down about 15 minutes after having momentarily violated Syrian airspace," he said.

    The minister said that there was no warning from Syria before it shot down the plane, which was on an unarmed training mission to carry out a radar system test.

    "The Syrians knew full well that it was a Turkish military plane and the nature of its mission," he said, adding that the plane was flying by itself and was not "on any mission, including information gathering, above Syria."

    "Nobody should dare put Turkey's (military) capabilities to the test," Davutoglu warned. "No-one can threaten Turkey's security."

    "Turkey will act with restraint but determination," he said. "We will bring this affair before public opinion and international law in the name of Turkey's honour."

    Syria has said it took out the F-4 phantom jet on Friday after it violated its airspace and on Saturday Turkey acknowledged that the plane may have done so in comments seen as a bid to cool tensions between the former allies.

    Nato calls talks over downed Turkey plane *- World*|nation.co.ke
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    Briefly straying huh?
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    USA wanataka kutumia another strategy ya kuvamia kivita Syria baada ya kuona mbinu yao ya "rebels" imefeli. lakini kwa hakika safari hii sidhani kama China na Urusi watakubaliana na mpango/trick ya "NO FLYING ZONE" kwa sababu iliwakosesha control on Libya....
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    Mkuu, swali ni kwa nini wali-scramble an aging fighter plane (phantom F-4) in the first place? Je walikua wanajaribu Air Defence System za Syria on behalf ya Israel na NATO airforces, kwa kuwa wanajua Syria ime-acquire a deadly silaha za ulinzi wa Hanga kutoka URUSI hivi karibuni. Kumbuka ndege hiyo niya zamani kwa hiyo as far as TURKEY was concern ilikuwa expendable. Je TURKEY ilielewana na nchi shirika za NATO kujaribu kutafuta kisingizio cha kuishambulia Syria na kumuodoa madarakani ASSAD wakisingizia eti one of its member kashambuliwa!

    Kwa nini matukio yote yanayo husu raia kuhuwawa kwa wingi wanakuwepo wahandishi wa habari wa CNN, nani anawapa taharifa in advance kabla ya matukio hayo, je wako embeded kwenye vikundi vya wahasi? Kwa nini Bi Clinton alikuwa analahumu URUSI kwamba inahuzia Chopper gunship Syria, wakati Wamerikani na wenyewe wanawapa silaha wahasi.
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    Mimi najua NATO wameshindwa kutafuta sababu ya kuingilia SYRIA. Na turkey wanatumika kuendeleza mwito wa vita. Waingereza CNN na BBC na vyombo vyao vya habari wamekoroga syria kweli kweli.
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    Turkey branded its former ally Syria "a clear and imminent threat," on Tuesday as its Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan vented his fury over the downing of a Turkish fighter jet.
    In his most outspoken criticism of the Damascus regime, Erdogan vowed to retaliate against the "heinous act" and promised a change of military attitude to any Syrian officer approaching the common border.
    "The rules of engagement of the Turkish Armed Forces have changed given this new development," Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan told parliament following the shooting down of F-4 Phantom jet Friday. The two pilots are still missing.
    Any risk posed by Syria on the Turkish border will be "considered a threat and treated as a military target," he said in a jam-packed room of lawmakers who frequently interrupted the address with applause.
    Erdogan said his government would retaliate "with determination" and take what he called the "necessary steps by determining the time, place and method by itself".
    The prime minister said Turkey's military jet violated the Syrian airspace for a short time and "by mistake" and repeated that it was unarmed, flying solo when it was shot down by Syria "without a single warning."
    "We did not receive a single warning, note from Syria (regarding airspace violation)...They acted without warning. This is a hostile act," Erdogan said.
    Erdogan said that Turkish airspace had been violated 114 times by military aircraft from different countries, including Syria, since January 1, 2012.
    "Syrian helicopters violated our airspace five times. These were short-term violations," to which Turkey issued the necessary warnings, Erdogan noted.
    "This latest development shows that the Assad regime has become a clear and imminent threat to the security of Turkey, as well as for its own people," he added.
    Erdogan broke with former friend and ally Assad, whom he called "a bloody dictator," after unrest that erupted mid-March last year met a bloody response from Damascus, sending more than 33,000 refugees into Turkey.
    "Turkey will support Syrian people in every way until they get rid of the bloody dictator and his gang," he said on Tuesday.
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    Mti unapokufa huanza matawi kwanza kabla ya shina lenyewe.Huu ni mfano tunauona wamagharibi wanatapatapa kuona nchi wanazozitegemea zinawaacha kutokana na mapinduzi.Syria ni nchi iliyokataa kushirikiana nao na sasa wanailazimisha kwa kubadilisha serikali.Lakini mwenyezi mungu ni mkubwa kwasababu matawi yanaanza kupukutika mmoja baada ya mmoja kwahiyo hata huko syria wataishughulikia kwa muda gani na wataendelea kutumia mamilioni ya pesa kwa kuitoa serikali ambayo imesimama imara?Egypt tayari imewaponyoka na ndio sehemu muhimu sana kwao kwahio iliyobaki ni Jordan amabayo hatujui hatma yake nini.Hebu wakae wafikiri wataendelea kuua binaadamu mpaka lini kwa kutafuta ukubwa wa dunia wakati mkubwa ni mungu peke yake.Waache kuingilia nchi za watu na waweke silaha chini na waachie nchi zijiongoze zenyewe kwa mapendekezo ya wananchi wao.Watafute suluhisho lingine la kiuchumi kama suala ni utajiri ktk nchi zao.