Three Ugandan Choppers go missing in Kenyan Airspace!

kshaka · Aug 21, 2012

Ab-Titchaz said:
Dhuks,

whichever way you slice it, this thing is not looking good for KE. Bantugbro has posted the following hypotheses,

1: Radars za Nanyuki AB zilikuwa hazifanyi kazi.
2: Waongozaji ndege wa Nanyuki AB hawaku-bother ku- assist their departing guests.
3: A serious party took place last night everyone was on hangover.
4: All of the above are true....

These are very valid questions that beg for answers, otherwise M7 will forever remain
suspicious and guarded. Somebody slept on the job on the Kenyan side and their is no
doubt about that. Its only fair that folks come out and say what happened on that fateful
day.

Ab-Titchaz.

Of course everything Kenya does is suspicious, it's not a surprise to see this theses forwarded on this website based on "facts" which exist only in Bantugbro's head.

Who told you that the choppers refuelled at LAB or that they took off from LAB towards the mountain (the Ugandans say different)?

Do you know the cause of the crash? AFAIK, no one does so why are you assuming that it's the route that they took that contributed mainly to the crash when the cause has not been determined yet?

Do you know the normal route the choppers travelling from LAB to Wajir take? Why are you assuming that the route they were given is not the normal one and was given to them for nefarious reasons (didn't one of the rescued Ugandans say they spotted a KAF Puma overfly them the morning after the crash on the same bearing they'd been on)?

The rescue chopper pilot said that he was given the coordinates of the ~ crash site by KAF, how do you think they knew the coordinates where the choppers disappeard if the radar at Nanyuki had not been monitoring the flight? What are you basing this assumption on?

Hasn't a joint commission of inquiry been set up with M7's brother the lead on the Ugandan side? Why are you assuming that Kenya also doesn't want answers?

Kenya's got over 60 combat gunships (around 20 of them being new) why would we feel threatened by Uganda's 8 vessels most of which were grounded until they were refurbished last year?

These are not valid questions because they are based on speculation and suppositions not supported by facts. We all know what motivates this kind of talk on this forum so let's stop pretending...What or where are the facts that this hypothesis is based on?

kshaka · Aug 21, 2012

Dhuks said:
http://www.the-star.co.ke/classicnews/90121-pilot-error-caused-ugandan-choppers-to-crash-

It's Kenya which caused the Ugandan pilots to make an error, doncha know. Kenyans are evil and can do anything.

P.S. Kenya also shot the miners in South africa.

Nairoberry · Aug 21, 2012

.....and offcourse its Kenya which has caused the death of Meles Zenawi

Reginald12 · Aug 21, 2012

Pardon my ignorance on aviation and all things flying. What my little knowledge tells me is that radar works by beaming energy upwards and reading the reflection, right? One of the most effective ways of evading radar is by flying low.... just like jet fighters and Tomahawk cruise missiles do. Reports in the media indicate wananchi along the flight path from Western Kenya reported seeing the helos flying at uncharacteristically low altitude. It was also reported they were on radio silence (no wonder they used mobiles for comms). This must have contributed to their crash because for one, they would not have been visible on ground based radar. Radio silence must have meant they never wanted to reveal their exact locations and could also not warn each other of impending danger.

Ab-Titchaz · Aug 22, 2012

Dhuks said:
PILOT ERROR CAUSED UGANDAN CHOPPERS TO CRASH

Now I'm waiting for Uganda's side of the story.

Bukyanagandi · Aug 22, 2012

Bantugbro said:
Mkuu,
Kama ni kweli walipitia pale Nanyuki AB kuweka wese...basi ni dhahiri kabisa walikuwa one third of a Latitude away from the peak of Mt. Kenya (kumbuka one latitute in kama 112 Km na pale ni kama 32 km hivi.). Hivyo basi hata bearing ya flight path yao kwenda Wajir AB ilikuwa inakaribiana na bearing ya kuelekea Mt. Kenya tofauti ni kwenye Minutes na Seconds.

Tunaelewa kuwa waliojenga Nanyuki AB mahali ambako ni karibu sana na Mlima Kenya sio wapumbavu!! ndio maana tangu hiyo AB ijengwe hakujawahi tokea ndege tatu kwa pamoja kwenda kuparamia Mlima Kenya. Haya yote yanaendana kama ulivyosema hapo juu kuwa AB yeyote kitu cha kwanza ni lazima iwe na Radars (air control)....:hat:

Tunarudi kule kule :
It is impossible for the choppers to fly more than halfway to Wajir AB if they didn't have functioning communication systems to guide them along the flight path. So this is ruled out.

Remaining open questions:
1: Radars za Nanyuki AB zilikuwa hazifanyi kazi.
2: Waongozaji ndege wa Nanyuki AB hawaku-bother ku- assist their departing guests.
3: A serious party took place last night everyone was on hangover.
4: All of the above are true....:hat:

Heshima yako mkuu, mengi ntajibu kesho leo nimechelewa kidogo: Maswali yako ni yamsingi sana - kwa kawaida RADAR za kijeshi zinaona mbali sana, actually kama KDF/controller LAB wangeona marubani wa UPDF wako kwenye hatari ya kuparamia mlima, basi KDF Airforce wange scramble walao fighter moja ya kuwaongoza wabadilishe njia hata kama walikuwa wanaruka in total RADIO Silence. Fighter au Helicopter ya KDF ingetoa ishara kwa CREW wa chopper za UPDF ili wa-land to the nearest base for their own safety hata kama wegebaki hapo mpaka kesho asubuhi.

Ishara za kumuonyesha mwezako akufuate zinajulikana, unainamisha bawa la ndege kushoto na kulia - basi wanakufuta mpaka kwenye uwanja wa kutua; mimi sioni kama kulikuwa na effort zozote za kuhepusha janga hili - safety ya AIRSPACE around Kenya hiko mikononi mwa nani? Je hawana wajibu wa kuhakikisha kwamba ndege zote za kigeni zinaingia na kutoka SALAMA nchini mwao!!! Mkuu avionics na comm system vya choppers vyote vilikuwa vinafanya kazi - tatizo wenda ikawa CREW walipewa wrong info/advise kwa bahati mbaya au maksudi. Nimeona kwenye gazeti la Kenya eti ma-crew walisema wataruka chini chini wasije kutunguliwa na Al-Shaab-kichekesho kabisa!! Yaani waruke umbali wa kulipuliwa na a mere RPG.

Wanawasema eti chopper za UPDF eti zilikuwa secondhand sijuhi zimekarabatiwa, wanasahau kwamba hata wao walinunua Northrop Grumman fighters F-5 (series E, F, ME) zikiwa secondhand kutoka falme ya Jordan idadi zilizo nunuliwa ni 15 walikuwa na nyingine 14 lakini zinazo fanya kazi kwa sasa ni 22.

Wanasema eti wana Gunship 51 wakati ukweli wa mambo ni kwamba siyo Gunship bali ni utility chopper za aina ya 500MD series ambazo unaweza kuzifunga silaha za kawaida tu, nyingi za chopper hizo zilinunuliwa kuanzia mwishoni mwa miaka ya sabini.

Adadi ya GUNSHIPS walizo nazo kwa sasa hawazidiani na Uganda, walinunua a watereddown GUNSHIP tatu kutoka Urusi aina ya Mi-28 wana mpango wa kuongeza nyingine 13 - uwezi kulinganisha MI-24 na MI-28, chopper aina ya MI-28 haifui dafu kwa MI-24 na hilo wanalijua sana. Kwa hiyo idadi ya GUNSHIP walizo nazo ni SABA i.e 3 aina ya MI-28 na 4 za Kichina aina ya Z9WE , Gunships hizo ziko chini ya 50[SUP]th[/SUP] Air Cavalry Division - Embakasi.

Nairoberry · Aug 22, 2012

Bukyanagandi said:
Heshima yako mkuu, mengi ntajibu kesho leo nimechelewa kidogo: Maswali yako ni yamsingi sana - kwa kawaida RADAR za kijeshi zinaona mbali sana, actually kama KDF/controller LAB wangeona marubani wa UPDF wako kwenye hatari ya kuparamia mlima, basi KDF Airforce wange scramble walao fighter moja ya kuwaongoza wabadilishe njia hata kama walikuwa wanaruka in total RADIO Silence. Fighter au Helicopter ya KDF ingetoa ishara kwa CREW wa chopper za UPDF ili wa-land to the nearest base for their own safety hata kama wegebaki hapo mpaka kesho asubuhi.

Ishara za kumuonyesha mwezako akufuate zinajulikana, unainamisha bawa la ndege kushoto na kulia - basi wanakufuta mpaka kwenye uwanja wa kutua; mimi sioni kama kulikuwa na effort zozote za kuhepusha janga hili - safety ya AIRSPACE around Kenya hiko mikononi mwa nani? Je hawana wajibu wa kuhakikisha kwamba ndege zote za kigeni zinaingia na kutoka SALAMA nchini mwao!!! Mkuu avionics na comm system vya choppers vyote vilikuwa vinafanya kazi - tatizo wenda ikawa CREW walipewa wrong info/advise kwa bahati mbaya au maksudi. Nimeona kwenye gazeti la Kenya eti ma-crew walisema wataruka chini chini wasije kutunguliwa na Al-Shaab-kichekesho kabisa!! Yaani waruke umbali wa kulipuliwa na a mere RPG.

Wanawasema eti chopper za UPDF eti zilikuwa secondhand sijuhi zimekarabatiwa, wanasahau kwamba hata wao walinunua Northrop Grumman fighters F-5 (series E, F, ME) zikiwa secondhand kutoka falme ya Jordan idadi zilizo nunuliwa ni 15 walikuwa na nyingine 14 lakini zinazo fanya kazi kwa sasa ni 22.

Wanasema eti wana Gunship 51 wakati ukweli wa mambo ni kwamba siyo Gunship bali ni utility chopper za aina ya 500MD series ambazo unaweza kuzifunga silaha za kawaida tu, nyingi za chopper hizo zilinunuliwa kuanzia mwishoni mwa miaka ya sabini.

Adadi ya GUNSHIPS walizo nazo kwa sasa hawazidiani na Uganda, walinunua a watereddown GUNSHIP tatu kutoka Urusi aina ya Mi-28 wana mpango wa kuongeza nyingine 13 - uwezi kulinganisha MI-24 na MI-28, chopper aina ya MI-28 haifui dafu kwa MI-24 na hilo wanalijua sana. Kwa hiyo idadi ya GUNSHIP walizo nazo ni SABA i.e 3 aina ya MI-28 na 4 za Kichina aina ya Z9WE , Gunships hizo ziko chini ya 50[SUP]th[/SUP] Air Cavalry Division - Embakasi.

kitu cha kushangaza ni kuwa wewe unajifanya mbabe na mtaalam wa jeshi la kenya. je isipokuwa wikipedia unayotmia kufanya uchambuzi wako,ni chombo kigani chingine unachotumia kupata hizi taarifa ? jamani tuliza boli,afadhali uongelee kuhusu jeshi la tz hapo tutakusikia. ebu tueleze ulijuaje hizo mi 28 havoc ni 'watered down' una habari kutoka waliotengeneza hizo helicopters kuwa ziko watred down? halafu bila haya unaenedelea kuropokwa eti kenya ina tatu tu halafu nne za kichina, hapa ndipo nadhani unavuta mihadarati mizito kutoka tanga. una kitu chochote cha busara cha kuongelea kuhusu kenya nakusawishi sana uwe una comment kwa section ya siasa za tz hapo utaelewekwa,hapa wachia wakenya ni wereveu na wana IQ kubwa sana hawawezeki

kshaka · Aug 22, 2012

Bukyanagandi said:
Heshima yako mkuu, mengi ntajibu kesho leo nimechelewa kidogo: Maswali yako ni yamsingi sana - kwa kawaida RADAR za kijeshi zinaona mbali sana, actually kama KDF/controller LAB wangeona marubani wa UPDF wako kwenye hatari ya kuparamia mlima, basi KDF Airforce wange scramble walao fighter moja ya kuwaongoza wabadilishe njia hata kama walikuwa wanaruka in total RADIO Silence. Fighter au Helicopter ya KDF ingetoa ishara kwa CREW wa chopper za UPDF ili wa-land to the nearest base for their own safety hata kama wegebaki hapo mpaka kesho asubuhi.

Ishara za kumuonyesha mwezako akufuate zinajulikana, unainamisha bawa la ndege kushoto na kulia - basi wanakufuta mpaka kwenye uwanja wa kutua; mimi sioni kama kulikuwa na effort zozote za kuhepusha janga hili - safety ya AIRSPACE around Kenya hiko mikononi mwa nani? Je hawana wajibu wa kuhakikisha kwamba ndege zote za kigeni zinaingia na kutoka SALAMA nchini mwao!!! Mkuu avionics na comm system vya choppers vyote vilikuwa vinafanya kazi - tatizo wenda ikawa CREW walipewa wrong info/advise kwa bahati mbaya au maksudi. Nimeona kwenye gazeti la Kenya eti ma-crew walisema wataruka chini chini wasije kutunguliwa na Al-Shaab-kichekesho kabisa!! Yaani waruke umbali wa kulipuliwa na a mere RPG.

Wanawasema eti chopper za UPDF eti zilikuwa secondhand sijuhi zimekarabatiwa, wanasahau kwamba hata wao walinunua Northrop Grumman fighters F-5 (series E, F, ME) zikiwa secondhand kutoka falme ya Jordan idadi zilizo nunuliwa ni 15 walikuwa na nyingine 14 lakini zinazo fanya kazi kwa sasa ni 22.

Wanasema eti wana Gunship 51 wakati ukweli wa mambo ni kwamba siyo Gunship bali ni utility chopper za aina ya 500MD series ambazo unaweza kuzifunga silaha za kawaida tu, nyingi za chopper hizo zilinunuliwa kuanzia mwishoni mwa miaka ya sabini.

Adadi ya GUNSHIPS walizo nazo kwa sasa hawazidiani na Uganda, walinunua a watereddown GUNSHIP tatu kutoka Urusi aina ya Mi-28 wana mpango wa kuongeza nyingine 13 - uwezi kulinganisha MI-24 na MI-28, chopper aina ya MI-28 haifui dafu kwa MI-24 na hilo wanalijua sana. Kwa hiyo idadi ya GUNSHIP walizo nazo ni SABA i.e 3 aina ya MI-28 na 4 za Kichina aina ya Z9WE , Gunships hizo ziko chini ya 50[SUP]th[/SUP] Air Cavalry Division - Embakasi.

No one know's what happened yet you guys have already investigated, reached conclusions and condemned the guilty...you are all being ridiculous now. How can you know any of what happened that evening when even the investigators have not started working on the crash site?

And BTW, it's usually better to talk a bit less of things which you obviously know nothing about. Hii mambo ya kujifanya mtaalam kwa mambo huyajui inaleta vichekesho, eti MI28 haifui dafu kwa MI24? :lol: The MI28 was an improvement on the MI24 with a higher top speed, better manouverability, a deadlier payload, HUD for the pilot and better overall performance. It also has FLIR which the MI24 that Uganda operates does not have. In fact even the Russians are planning to ditch the MI24 by 2015 and replace it with MI28's. Only a joker would claim that the MI24 is a better combat aircraft

There are very many versions of the MD500 and Kenya operates three of these...an armed recon version, 500MD a utility version and 500MD TOW, an anti tank version arm1ed with TOW...and yes, it is a gunship whether you like it or not. Even the Israelis used it against Syria as a gunship

livefire · Aug 22, 2012

Bukyanagandi said:
Heshima yako mkuu, mengi ntajibu kesho leo nimechelewa kidogo: Maswali yako ni yamsingi sana - kwa kawaida RADAR za kijeshi zinaona mbali sana, actually kama KDF/controller LAB wangeona marubani wa UPDF wako kwenye hatari ya kuparamia mlima, basi KDF Airforce wange scramble walao fighter moja ya kuwaongoza wabadilishe njia hata kama walikuwa wanaruka in total RADIO Silence. Fighter au Helicopter ya KDF ingetoa ishara kwa CREW wa chopper za UPDF ili wa-land to the nearest base for their own safety hata kama wegebaki hapo mpaka kesho asubuhi.

Ishara za kumuonyesha mwezako akufuate zinajulikana, unainamisha bawa la ndege kushoto na kulia - basi wanakufuta mpaka kwenye uwanja wa kutua; mimi sioni kama kulikuwa na effort zozote za kuhepusha janga hili - safety ya AIRSPACE around Kenya hiko mikononi mwa nani? Je hawana wajibu wa kuhakikisha kwamba ndege zote za kigeni zinaingia na kutoka SALAMA nchini mwao!!!

Mkuu avionics na comm system vya choppers vyote vilikuwa vinafanya kazi - tatizo wenda ikawa CREW walipewa wrong info/advise kwa bahati mbaya au maksudi. Nimeona kwenye gazeti la Kenya eti ma-crew walisema wataruka chini chini wasije kutunguliwa na Al-Shaab-kichekesho kabisa!! Yaani waruke umbali wa kulipuliwa na a mere RPG.

Wanawasema eti chopper za UPDF eti zilikuwa secondhand sijuhi zimekarabatiwa, wanasahau kwamba hata wao walinunua Northrop Grumman fighters F-5 (series E, F, ME) zikiwa secondhand kutoka falme ya Jordan idadi zilizo nunuliwa ni 15 walikuwa na nyingine 14 lakini zinazo fanya kazi kwa sasa ni 22.

Wanasema eti wana Gunship 51 wakati ukweli wa mambo ni kwamba siyo Gunship bali ni utility chopper za aina ya 500MD series ambazo unaweza kuzifunga silaha za kawaida tu, nyingi za chopper hizo zilinunuliwa kuanzia mwishoni mwa miaka ya sabini.

Adadi ya GUNSHIPS walizo nazo kwa sasa hawazidiani na Uganda, walinunua a watereddown GUNSHIP tatu kutoka Urusi aina ya Mi-28 wana mpango wa kuongeza nyingine 13 - uwezi kulinganisha MI-24 na MI-28, chopper aina ya MI-28 haifui dafu kwa MI-24 na hilo wanalijua sana. Kwa hiyo idadi ya GUNSHIP walizo nazo ni SABA i.e 3 aina ya MI-28 na 4 za Kichina aina ya Z9WE , Gunships hizo ziko chini ya 50[SUP]th[/SUP] Air Cavalry Division - Embakasi.

Ihave tried to ignore this forum, moreso the rebuke comments...but its impossible. Eti KDF fighter jets be scrambled to guide ''supposedly competent pilots'' from fate and whom conviniently avoided our bases, were flying low and in active radio silence? Duh......even if it were i at Air Control Towers i wouldnt mind so long as they stay away from strategic KDF assetts.

They saw it fit to utilize civilian radars/facilities which are competent hence all SoS/formal communication were a civilian affair, nevertheless KDF were watching. KDFs role was water tight, make sure her assetts werent mapped, or jeopardised, the rest it mattered less. That was before the fate......(RIP)

Bukyanagandi, You dont understand one bit of KDFs doctrine and dont pretend you do. MI28, nato name, ''Havoc'' is the only copter comparable to the American Apaches. Totally agile craft when compared to the humongous MI24. Infact, MI24 choppers when fully ladden looses their hovering ability due to incosistent downwash courtsey of a design flaw. WORST FLAW: MI24 can not manouvre tight corners....''the main rotor ends up chopping of its tail''.

On the other hand, MI28 is a very agile machine; the most notable is the ability to make a complete 360 degrees loop in air. Very agile stick it has. The copters arriving are the best there is from russia, MI28NE....with night vision capability.

Now, before you practise your regular disinformation, understand Kenya has taken delivery of 16 such birds/with an option of substituting some of the birds with Hokum variant depending on top brass evaluation. (they have already been assembled)
About wz9e....upon full delivery, 70 variants which includes attack gunships/utility versions/VIP choppers will be in service. If you are in Mombasa you cant fail to notice the several wz9e's criss crossing the air, mostly in tight formations, others simply in pilot training routines.

The MD500 gunship is a light anti armour air asset synonymous with the kind of weapons in this region. Armed with rocket pods as a prime weapon, in the hands of a good pilot, only 3 rockets are enough to incapacitate your 3rd/4th gen tanks.

Our second hand fighter jets are doing awesome in somalia. The jewel ones are just about to pop too.....Kenyas 50 years of independence will be a show and a half i reckon. Anyway, i love this witch hunting, tell us how Kenya brought these birds down.

KDF attributes the crash to pilot error/bad weather.

Someone even suggested SAM batteries, GooD Heavens!!! waTz mnawashwa wapi?mara fuel, mara maps, mara flight path.
For what matters, lets wait for the inquiry to compile a report. All air protocols were observed by Kenya.

Bantugbro · Aug 22, 2012

Thousands words...:hat:

Once upon a time this was supposed to be their original flight path:

But Simone said why not go for a little party @ Nyuki:

After lil party @ Nyuki wasn't this supposed to be their flight path?:

Ooh! nooo! but Simone said why not tour the famous mountain first:

Ndahani · Aug 22, 2012

Nairoberry said:
kitu cha kushangaza ni kuwa wewe unajifanya mbabe na mtaalam wa jeshi la kenya. je isipokuwa wikipedia unayotmia kufanya uchambuzi wako,ni chombo kigani chingine unachotumia kupata hizi taarifa ? jamani tuliza boli,afadhali uongelee kuhusu jeshi la tz hapo tutakusikia. ebu tueleze ulijuaje hizo mi 28 havoc ni 'watered down' una habari kutoka waliotengeneza hizo helicopters kuwa ziko watred down? halafu bila haya unaenedelea kuropokwa eti kenya ina tatu tu halafu nne za kichina, hapa ndipo nadhani unavuta mihadarati mizito kutoka tanga. una kitu chochote cha busara cha kuongelea kuhusu kenya nakusawishi sana uwe una comment kwa section ya siasa za tz hapo utaelewekwa,hapa wachia wakenya ni wereveu na wana IQ kubwa sana hawawezeki

teh teh teh...Kwani nyie mko kwenye sayari ya mars inayofanyiwa utafiti sasa? Mkifikiri hamjulikani mnajidanganya wenyewe...

Ndahani · Aug 22, 2012

livefire said:
i have tried to ignore this forum, moreso the rebuke comments...but its impossible. Eti KDF fighter jets be scrambled to guide ''supposedly competent pilots'' from fate and whom conviniently avoided our bases, were flying low and in active radio silence? Duh......even if it were i at Air Control Towers i wouldnt mind so long as they stay away from strategic KDF assetts.
They saw it fit to utilize civilian radars/facilities which are competent hence all SoS/formal communication were a civilian affair, nevertheless KDF were watching. KDFs role was water tight, make sure her assetts werent mapped, or jeopardised, the rest it mattered less. That was before the fate......(RIP)
Bukyanagandi, You dont understand one bit of KDFs doctrine and dont pretend you do. MI28, nato name, ''Havoc'' is the only copter comparable to the American Apaches. Totally agile craft when compared to the humongous MI24. Infact, MI24 choppers when fully ladden looses their hovering ability due to incosistent downwash courtsey of a design flaw. WORST FLAW: MI24 can not manouvre tight corners....''the main rotor ends up chopping of its tail''.
On the other hand, MI28 is a very agile machine; the most notable is the ability to make a complete 360 degrees loop in air. Very agile stick it has. The copters arriving are the best there is from russia, MI28NE....with night vision capability.
Now, before you practise your regular disinformation, understand Kenya has taken delivery of 16 such birds/with an option of substituting some of the birds with Hokum variant depending on top brass evaluation. (they have already been assembled)
About wz9e....upon full delivery, 70 variants which includes attack gunships/utility versions/VIP choppers will be in service. If you are in mombasa you cant fail to notice the several wz9e's criss crossing the air, mostly in tight formations, others simply in pilot training routines.
The MD500 gunship is a light anti armour air asset synonymous with the kind of weapons in this region. Armed with rocket pods as a prime weapon, in the hands of a good pilot, only 3 rockets are enough to incapacitate your 3rd/4th gen tanks.
Our second hand fighter jets are doing awesome in somalia. The jewel ones are just about to pop too.....Kenyas 50 years of independence will be a show and a half i reckon. Anyway, i love this witch hunting, tell us how Kenya brought these birds down. KDF attributes the crash to pilot error/bad weather.
Someone even suggested SAM batteries, GooD Heavens!!! waTz mnawashwa wapi?mara fuel, mara maps, mara flight path.
For what matters, lets wait for the inquiry to compile a report. All air protocols were observed by Kenya.

Endeleeeni hivyo hivyo mkifikiri mtaitawala EAC...sisi jua nyinyi na tamaa zenu. teh teh teh

Dhuks · Aug 22, 2012

Ndahani said:
Endeleeeni hivyo hivyo mkifikiri mtaitawala EAC...sisi jua nyinyi na tamaa zenu. teh teh teh

EAC? Inahusu nini hapa?

Nairoberry · Aug 22, 2012

Ndahani said:
teh teh teh...Kwani nyie mko kwenye sayari ya mars inayofanyiwa utafiti sasa? Mkifikiri hamjulikani mnajidanganya wenyewe...

wacha kujifanya eti wewe ama yeyote ana ujasusi kujua silaha na vifaa vyote ambazo jeshi ya kenya lina miliki,watz tuna shida moja,kwa sababu jeshi letu halina vifaa wivu na hasira inatufanya tuchukie na tusikubali cha ukweli kwamba katika africa mashariki jwtz ndilo linalegea kwa vifaa na silaha na kwamba kenya iko mbele sana. je jwtz ina vifaa vigani??

Ndahani · Aug 22, 2012

Nairoberry said:
wacha kujifanya eti wewe ama yeyote ana ujasusi kujua silaha na vifaa vyote ambazo jeshi ya kenya lina miliki,watz tuna shida moja,kwa sababu jeshi letu halina vifaa wivu na hasira inatufanya tuchukie na tusikubali cha ukweli kwamba katika africa mashariki jwtz ndilo linalegea kwa vifaa na silaha na kwamba kenya iko mbele sana. je jwtz ina vifaa vigani??

teh teh teh...mbona unapandisha mori? Tunawajua vizuri tu, nyinyi endeleeeni kujidanganya mmejificha na eti very advanced country in EA.

kshaka · Aug 22, 2012

Bantugbro said:
Thousands words...:hat:

Once upon a time this was supposed to be their original flight path:

So along this 1,000km flight path that they obviously shared with you beforehand, where were they supposed to refuel? ama you are like Bukyanagandi mtaalam who knows MI24's and you are going to tell us that they are supposed to be able to fly 1,000km without refuelling? Moron thinks that flight paths are as easy as drawing a straight line on a map :lol:

kshaka · Aug 22, 2012

Bantugbro said:

Again, you've drawn a straight line from the middle of Nanyuki town, I've been there, there's no airstrip in the middle of town. Why don't you find out which airstrip they took off from, where it is relative to the mountain, what the normal flight path from that airstrip towards Wajir is before making such insinuations...little tip, most flights are not planned using google earth and a ruler.

livefire · Aug 22, 2012

Ndahani said:
Endeleeeni hivyo hivyo mkifikiri mtaitawala EAC...sisi jua nyinyi na tamaa zenu. teh teh teh

what has this to do with EAC? You believe Uganda would have stayed silent if a friendly state downed her choppers? Even if militarily incapable they would have made alot of noise nevertheless.

Ndahani · Aug 22, 2012

livefire said:
what has this to do with EAC? You believe Uganda would have stayed silent if a friendly state downed her choppers? Even if militarily incapable they would have made alot of noise nevertheless.

Kwani wote wamelelewa kupiga kelele kwenye kila kitu kinachoendelea kwenye maisha? Ukimya ule unasema zaidi kuliko maneno maneno mengi yasiyo na tija. Na nani kakwambia Uganda is incapable of taking on Kenya? Don't make that mistake of underestimating something that you do not know. You might know how many choppers they have, but it could be difficult to assess the passion to teach each other a lesson in the battlefield terrain. America knows it better during Vietnam war.

zomba · Aug 22, 2012

Allah Allah why have you forsaken me?

Hayo maneno wengi wanayajuwa ni ya nani, nae aliijuwa maana ya "Allahu Akbar".

Three Ugandan Choppers go missing in Kenyan Airspace!

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