Rwandan bid for Kagame third term undermines democracy: EU

Rwandan bid for Kagame third term undermines democracy: EU

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Rwanda's push to change the constitution and allow President Paul Kagame to serve a third term in power undermines democratic principles, the European Union warned late Thursday.

The Rwandan senate last month passed a constitutional amendment that reduces presidential terms from seven to five years and maintains the two-term limit but makes an exception for Kagame, allowing him to run for a third seven-year term in 2017 at the end of which the new rules come into force.

The amendment must still go to a national referendum, but is expected to pass easily.

"The adoption of provisions that can apply only to one individual weakens the credibility of the constitutional reform process, as it undermines the principle of democratic change of government," EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini said in a statement.

"The amendments to the Rwandan constitution recently approved by Parliament -- if confirmed by referendum -- would give rise to this situation," she said.

The EU comments come after the US on Tuesday said Kagame must set "an example" for the region.

"We expect President Kagame to step down at the end of his term in 2017," US ambassador to the United Nations, Samantha Power, said.

Kagame has run Rwanda since his ethnic Tutsi rebel army ended a 1994 genocide by extremists from the Hutu majority, in which an estimated 800,000 people were massacred, the vast majority of them Tutsis.

He won elections in 2003 and 2010 and under the current law is due to step aside in 2017.

Aides have insisted that any bid for a third term would be in response to the "popular demand" that he stay in power.

Supporters portray Kagame as a guarantor of post-genocide stability and the economic growth that has transformed the country over the past 20 years.

But critics say the move is orchestrated by a government and leader with an iron grip on a country where freedom of expression is severely curtailed, and is part of a wider trend of African leaders seeking to stay put.

Rwanda is the northern neighbour of Burundi, where this year President Pierre Nkurunziza won a third consecutive term despite months of protests and an attempted coup.

"In countries that have consistently respected term limits and allowed for change, societies have become more resilient and institutions more credible," Mogherini said, adding: "There are many examples for that on the continent."

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International community Support for kagame is shrinking every day....the pace is amaizing he will be left alone with his inner circle
 
Rwanda's push to change the constitution and allow President Paul Kagame to serve a third term in power undermines democratic principles, the European Union warned late Thursday.

The Rwandan senate last month passed a constitutional amendment that reduces presidential terms from seven to five years and maintains the two-term limit but makes an exception for Kagame, allowing him to run for a third seven-year term in 2017 at the end of which the new rules come into force.

but democracy doesn't determine presidential terms, its the voice of majority who matter in democracy that determine presidential terms.

And if majority have accepted a third term, then that doesn't 'undermine' democracy, it does the opposite.
 
but democracy doesn't determine presidential terms, its the voice of majority who matter in democracy that determine presidential terms.

And if majority have accepted a third term, then that doesn't 'undermine' democracy, it does the opposite.

In a repressive environment like Rwanda its easy to fake tenets of democracy like an election, opinion polls etc. So while the process might be legal, it lacks credibility. Just like Saddam used to 'win' elections by 100%! In fact i challenge you to name just one dictator that could not prove that he was chosen by the people, Iddi Amin? Mugabe? Bongo? All of these would show you how 'the people' have voted for them, but you know better. Do you really believe in your hearts of hearts, that only 10 Rwandans out of over 10mil are opposed to Kagame's extension of terms? How many opposition parties are there in Rwanda? Don't they have more than 10 people? This is a joke.
Rwanda doesn't have real democracy so don't expect democratic cosmetics like elections to do much. Let me remind you that the current presidential limits were put in place by the same people of Rwanda in 2003, when they introduced their new constitution! At that time Kagame had already been commander-in-chief since 1994! But yet the people democratically chose to let him go after his term finishes. So this propaganda that Rwandans now all of a sudden 'fear' for their future without Kagame is just hogwash. If that was true they would have chosen to extend the mandate back in 2003 then when their memory of 'genocide' was even fresher compared to now.
What you should be interested in is the fact that Rwanda under Kagame has progressively grown repressive, undemocratic, dictatorial...by all internationally recognized metrics. Right now in Kigali 'habari ya mjini' is the dissapearance of FDU-inkingi vice president who has been abducted by the police after giving an interview on VOA about this business of third-term.
 
International community Support for kagame is shrinking every day....the pace is amaizing he will be left alone with his inner circle

Democracy is the will of the People, Will of the people should presides over the notion of term limit.
 
In a repressive environment like Rwanda its easy to fake tenets of democracy like an election, opinion polls etc. So while the process might be legal, it lacks credibility. Just like Saddam used to 'win' elections by 100%! In fact i challenge you to name just one dictator that could not prove that he was chosen by the people, Iddi Amin? Mugabe? Bongo? All of these would show you how 'the people' have voted for them, but you know better. Do you really believe in your hearts of hearts, that only 10 Rwandans out of over 10mil are opposed to Kagame's extension of terms? How many opposition parties are there in Rwanda? Don't they have more than 10 people? This is a joke.
Rwanda doesn't have real democracy so don't expect democratic cosmetics like elections to do much. Let me remind you that the current presidential limits were put in place by the same people of Rwanda in 2003, when they introduced their new constitution! At that time Kagame had already been commander-in-chief since 1994! But yet the people democratically chose to let him go after his term finishes. So this propaganda that Rwandans now all of a sudden 'fear' for their future without Kagame is just hogwash. If that was true they would have chosen to extend the mandate back in 2003 then when their memory of 'genocide' was even fresher compared to now.
What you should be interested in is the fact that Rwanda under Kagame has progressively grown repressive, undemocratic, dictatorial...by all internationally recognized metrics. Right now in Kigali 'habari ya mjini' is the dissapearance of FDU-inkingi vice president who has been abducted by the police after giving an interview on VOA about this business of third-term.

Parasites hate to live in the world of order and rules, that's why they hate Kagame,because they can't screw the system. Dr Magufuli too is busy flushing these out of the system.
 
Magufuli akiendelea na kasi hii hakika tutamuongezea mihula mingine baada ya 2025, tunachotaka ni kazi na maendeleo, kubadili viongozi hiyo ni fashion tu na ndo maana uingereza inatawaliwa na ukoo mmoja
 
Magufuli akiendelea na kasi hii hakika tutamuongezea mihula mingine baada ya 2025, tunachotaka ni kazi na maendeleo, kubadili viongozi hiyo ni fashion tu na ndo maana uingereza inatawaliwa na ukoo mmoja

Hii ya Kagame haiwezi kutokea Tanzania hata kama Magufuli ana uwezo wa kutembea juu ya maji. Upinzani (vyama) Tanzania umeshamiri vizuri sana na hawawezi kamwe kuruhusu huu upuuzi wa Rwanda.

Kama Magufuli akiendelea hivi mpaka 2025, atakuwa ameweka mikakati (institutional structures) itakayo hakikisha uongozi bora haumtegemei raisi pekee. Pia raisi mpya atakaechaguliwa atajihisi amepwaya kama hatampiku Magufuli. Sidhani kama tutarudi nyuma tena.

Achaneni na Rwanda. Wakitaka kuifanya Rwanda iwe Falme (Kingdom) na Kagame awe mfalme wa milele yeye pamoja na ukoo wake, let it be. Kama vyama vya upinzani vya Rwanda wote wamepiga kura kumruhusu Kagame muhula wa tatu (haiingii akilini mwangu), basi wana haki ya kutawaliwa na mfalme Kagame wa maisha.
 
Parasites hate to live in the world of order and rules, that's why they hate Kagame,because they can't screw the system. Dr Magufuli too is busy flushing these out of the system.

Let me agree with you that Magufuli is flushing 'parasites' out of the system. Magufuli wasn't the president back then but now he is. But what excuse does Kagame has? Why hasn't Kagame dealt with those so called 'parasites' for over 20 years he has been commander-in-chief ? isn't this a failure on his part?
 
Democracy is the will of the People, Will of the people should presides over the notion of term limit.

What if those people are under a dictator, do you think 'their will' is their will?
 
In a repressive environment like Rwanda its easy to fake tenets of democracy like an election, opinion polls etc. So while the process might be legal, it lacks credibility. Just like Saddam used to 'win' elections by 100%! In fact i challenge you to name just one dictator that could not prove that he was chosen by the people, Iddi Amin? Mugabe? Bongo? All of these would show you how 'the people' have voted for them, but you know better. Do you really believe in your hearts of hearts, that only 10 Rwandans out of over 10mil are opposed to Kagame's extension of terms? How many opposition parties are there in Rwanda? Don't they have more than 10 people? This is a joke.
Rwanda doesn't have real democracy so don't expect democratic cosmetics like elections to do much. Let me remind you that the current presidential limits were put in place by the same people of Rwanda in 2003, when they introduced their new constitution! At that time Kagame had already been commander-in-chief since 1994! But yet the people democratically chose to let him go after his term finishes. So this propaganda that Rwandans now all of a sudden 'fear' for their future without Kagame is just hogwash. If that was true they would have chosen to extend the mandate back in 2003 then when their memory of 'genocide' was even fresher compared to now.
What you should be interested in is the fact that Rwanda under Kagame has progressively grown repressive, undemocratic, dictatorial...by all internationally recognized metrics. Right now in Kigali 'habari ya mjini' is the dissapearance of FDU-inkingi vice president who has been abducted by the police after giving an interview on VOA about this business of third-term.
In a repressive environment like Rwanda? Ok, before you provide us with those "international recognized metrics" then go ahead and tell us who are those 10 people who dare to challenge the petition signed by approximately 4 MILLION Rwandans or you mean Green party? so do they have only 10 members? if so, why should it be called an opposition party at all? at one point you need to get serious man! FDU is just like the Kardashians, a very famous name but what they do to earn that reputation might supprise you! FDU-Inkingi? what about FDU-Imberakuri or FDU-Imbonerakure? you people need to learn how to behave and abandon hate before we start taking you serious!
 
Parasites hate to live in the world of order and rules, that's why they hate Kagame,because they can't screw the system. Dr Magufuli too is busy flushing these out of the system.

Achana na huyu mleta mada. He is got some personal grudges against Kagame. Nilishamuambia chuki yake dhidi ya Kagame, itamtafuna milele. Subiri uone partnership ya Magufuli na Kagame itakavyokuwa. They are cut from the same cloth. U dictator wa maendeleo. Maamuzi anayofanya magufuli ni some sort of dictatorship but for the the benefit of the people. Sijasikia wananchi wakilalamika
 
What if those people are under a dictator, do you think 'their will' is their will?

Are you insinuating that Magufuli is a dictator? Kitendo cha kuwaambia kuwa hela za sherehe za uhuru zitumike kwa miradi ya maendeleo.
 
What if those people are under a dictator, do you think 'their will' is their will?

mh! so what do you mean? we hate progress? that is how it sounds to me! your hatred is beyond imagination, you want us to hate Kagame because he is performing excellently? I don't think so, we are not that stupid jMali! we have to utilize wisely what God has given us freely! we take a note but we really don't pay much attention on what EU/Americans say about Rwanda, Rwanda is for Rwandans!
 
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In a repressive environment like Rwanda its easy to fake tenets of democracy like an election, opinion polls etc. So while the process might be legal, it lacks credibility. Just like Saddam used to 'win' elections by 100%! In fact i challenge you to name just one dictator that could not prove that he was chosen by the people, Iddi Amin? Mugabe? Bongo? All of these would show you how 'the people' have voted for them, but you know better. Do you really believe in your hearts of hearts, that only 10 Rwandans out of over 10mil are opposed to Kagame's extension of terms? How many opposition parties are there in Rwanda? Don't they have more than 10 people? This is a joke.
Rwanda doesn't have real democracy so don't expect democratic cosmetics like elections to do much. Let me remind you that the current presidential limits were put in place by the same people of Rwanda in 2003, when they introduced their new constitution! At that time Kagame had already been commander-in-chief since 1994! But yet the people democratically chose to let him go after his term finishes. So this propaganda that Rwandans now all of a sudden 'fear' for their future without Kagame is just hogwash. If that was true they would have chosen to extend the mandate back in 2003 then when their memory of 'genocide' was even fresher compared to now.
What you should be interested in is the fact that Rwanda under Kagame has progressively grown repressive, undemocratic, dictatorial...by all internationally recognized metrics. Right now in Kigali 'habari ya mjini' is the dissapearance of FDU-inkingi vice president who has been abducted by the police after giving an interview on VOA about this business of third-term.

well, i was responding in general terms, that democracy is government by people for the people.

there will always be two sides to the story, your explanations can go both ways, if i ask you what is the exactly number of people who oppose Kagame presidency i doubt you will be able to give exact number.

sometimes people change their minds, in Tanzania right now there is a talk for JPM to extend his presidency, constitutions get revised 'sometimes' by the same people who wrote them in the first place. so you shouldnt be amazed by the people of Rwanda for changing their minds.
 
mh! so what do you mean? we hate progress? that is how it sounds to me! your hatred is beyond imagination, you want us to hate Kagame because he is performing excellently? I don't think so, we are not that stupid jMali! we have to utilize wisely what God has given us freely! we take a note but we really don't pay much attention on what EU/Americans say about Rwanda, Rwanda is for Rwandans!

By the way those Eu/Americans who critise a third term to Kagame they have their own good life, nice hospitals , sound education system. What's wrong with Kagame who has so far demonstrated that its possible for African Countries to take off from poverty? As you can see kigali city has named a clean city in Africa. How could it be possible of not Kagame? Viva kagame as long as you are doing good job you deserve even the fouth term. Africa is not for Europe, it is for Africans themselves.
 
By the way those Eu/Americans who critise a third term to Kagame they have their own good life, nice hospitals , sound education system. What's wrong with Kagame who has so far demonstrated that its possible for African Countries to take off from poverty? As you can see kigali city has named a clean city in Africa. How could it be possible of not Kagame? Viva kagame as long as you are doing good job you deserve even the fouth term. Africa is not for Europe, it is for Africans themselves.
Named cleanest city in Africa by who?
 
Democracy is the will of the People, Will of the people should presides over the notion of term limit.
just to paraphrase your comment! Democracy is the will of the people, in this case Rwandans and not people like Jmali who abandoned us and are now living in refugees camps all over the world because of what they did in 1994
 
Named cleanest city in Africa by who?[/Qy
You just try to google "the cleanest city in Africa" then follow whatever link you will find, after that you can prove otherwise.
 
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