Pele, Ausebio n Maradona nani mkali?
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This is the answer about Pele not playing in European club:
When the 1957 season started, Pele was given a starting place in the Santos first team and, at the age of just 16, became the top scorer in the league. Just ten months after signing professionally, the teenager was called up to the Brazil national team.
After the World Cup in 1958, in which as a 17 years old scored 6 goals, wealthy European clubs such as Real Madrid, Juventus and Manchester United tried to sign the young player, but the government of Brazil declared Pele an "Official National Treasure" and preventing him from being transferred out of the country.
Nakumbuka maoni yaliyokusanywa na taasisi moja mwezi uliopita kuhusu Mawaziri Wakuu:
Namba moja alikuwa Mizengo Pinda...
Namba mbili alikuwa Lowassa! Lol... Usishangae...
Namba tatu alikuwa Sumaye...
Namba nne alikuwa Sokoine...
Namba tano alikuwa Dr. Salim...
Wa hivi karibuni ndiye akawa juu, wa kabla yake akawa wa pili, wa kabla ya huyo akawa wa tatu...
When the 1957 season started, Pele was given a starting place in the Santos first team and, at the age of just 16, became the top scorer in the league. Just ten months after signing professionally, the teenager was called up to the Brazil national team.
After the World Cup in 1958, in which as a 17 years old scored 6 goals, wealthy European clubs such as Real Madrid, Juventus and Manchester United tried to sign the young player, but the government of Brazil declared Pele an "Official National Treasure" and preventing him from being transferred out of the country.
Nakumbuka maoni yaliyokusanywa na taasisi moja mwezi uliopita kuhusu Mawaziri Wakuu:
Namba moja alikuwa Mizengo Pinda...
Namba mbili alikuwa Lowassa! Lol... Usishangae...
Namba tatu alikuwa Sumaye...
Namba nne alikuwa Sokoine...
Namba tano alikuwa Dr. Salim...
Wa hivi karibuni ndiye akawa juu, wa kabla yake akawa wa pili, wa kabla ya huyo akawa wa tatu...
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NI VIGUMU SANA KUSEMA NANI MKALI KATI YA PELE AU MARADONA AU EUSEBIO COZ WALICHEZA VPINDI TOFAUTI NA MAZINGIRA YA MPIRA YALIKUWA TOFAUT,PIA IKUMBUKWE KUWA THE BEST PLAYER HAIANGALII UFUNGAJI MAGOLI PEKE YAKE BALI TOTAL CONTRIBUTION OF A PLAYER
VIDEO World Debate: Who Was Better Pele Or Maradona?
As the bitter war of words between Pele and Maradona continues to overshadow this weekends Clasico between Argentina and Brazil, Goal.com republishes an old debate asking whom out of the two former players was the greatest?
Sep 2, 2009 4:00:23 PM
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South American legends Pelé and Diego Maradona clutching what they treasure most.
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There are some things in this world that simply cannot be agreed on - The Rolling Stones vs. The Beatles, Magic Johnson vs. Michael Jordan and, of course, Pele vs. Maradona.
This last question has split opinion almost more than any other and will continue to do so forever.
So how do you judge who was better? Well there are many ways.
Medals & Trophies
Pele won three World Cups, two Copa Libertadores, two Intercontinental Cups and a host of other Brazilian and American titles, while he picked up the FIFA Player of the Century Award in 2000.
Maradona, on the other hand, won a single World Cup, league titles in Argentina and Italy, national Cups in Spain and Italy, and a horde of individual honours including best player at the 1986 World Cup, FIFA Goal of the Century, and FIFA Player of the Century (Peoples Choice).
Some would argue that the fact that Pele won three World Cups to Maradonas one, would make him the better player.
Of course team prizes, the greatest of them all being the World Cup, are very important, however it is incorrect to judge a player solely on silverware. Pele was a young 17-year-old (albeit a wonderkid) in 1958, barely made an impact in 1962 and 1966 due to injury, and in 1970, despite his fine performances, he was playing in the best football team of all time alongside the likes of Tostao, Rivelino, Gerson and Jairzinho.
Maradona, however, dragged a distinctly average Argentina team all the way to World Cup glory in 1986, scoring the greatest goal of all time against England in the quarter-final, and another almost equally as brilliant against Belgium in the semis.
Brazil would have won the 1970 World Cup with or without Pele. Sixteen years later Argentina probably wouldnt have progressed past Enzo Francescolis Copa America holders Uruguay in the second round without Maradona in their side.
This doesnt necessarily make Maradona a better player. Although one has to ask themselves the question. If Pele was playing for Argentina in 1986 would they have won the World Cup?
Goals Scored
Supporters of Pele always boast how he scored 1281 goals in 1363 games. First of all it must be pointed out that there is a great deal of uncertainty over this total. It is often claimed that Pele counted friendly goals, while a common joke among Maradona-fans is that the Brazilian even added his strike from the Escape to Victory movie starring Sylvester Stallone and Michael Caine. Many of Peles goals were also scored for Santos in the state and local championships, where the opposition was not that strong.
Nevertheless with 77 goals in 92 appearances for Brazil, 12 of them in the World Cup, no one can question Peles astonishing scoring ability.
Maradona hit 34 in 91 appearances, eight in World Cups, and had a career total of 311 in 590 appearances.
Once again you should not read too much into goal statistics such as these. A great player or forward will score goals when they really matter, such as in big title deciders or cup knockout matches.
Some prolific goalscorers from the past have not always necessarily produced their best in these big games. Followers of Italian football will know that Alberto Gilardino has a fine record, however he has always struggled to score against the top teams or in the important matches.
Pele and Maradona did this, both at club and international level, so in this respect they cannot be separated. What the Argentine can boast, though, is that he excelled in Europe most notably at Napoli where he is a living God after leading the Partenopei to their first-ever Scudetto in 1987, and another in 1990. While Napoli contained many other top-class players such as Careca, Alemao, Ciro Ferrara and Bruno Giordano, it is questionable they could have had such a period of success, which also included a UEFA Cup, without Maradona.
As for Pele, he never played in Europe, so in some ways he was always in his comfort zone. On the other hand, during the early 1960s Santos were the best club team in the world, and Pele always performed superbly against European teams during not only exhibition matches but in the two-legged Intercontinental Cup finals of 1962 and 1963 when Santos beat Benfica and Milan respectively and Pele scored a combined total of seven goals.
Fair Play
This is the argument that Pele is the greatest because Maradona is a poor role model - Diegos substance abuse and the fact that he cheated with his Hand of God goal against England in 1986 makes him a lesser player.
This hypothesis is ridiculous. Regardless of how poorly Maradona behaved off the pitch, and how much he bent the rules on it, this all makes no difference to how great a player he was.
Indeed in central and southern Europe and South America, being crafty and sneaky is seen as a major part of the game. If you can con the referee or an opponent and score a goal because of it, then you are tactically and mentally a better player.
While on moral grounds Maradona can be criticised for his cocaine addiction, it should not interfere with how he is regarded as a footballer. Do you say that Amy Winehouse is a bad singer because she takes drugs?
Pele is no angel either. Indeed some would argue that, as part of the FIFA Family along with the likes of Sepp Blatter, Joao Havelange, he is indeed worse than Maradona.
It should also be cleared up that Maradona never took performance-enhancing drugs, as is often mistakenly believed. Cocaine actually results in a drop in the level of play, and indeed Diego has said that he would have been three-times the player he was without his addiction.
Video Footage
Deciding who was better out of Pele and Maradona is difficult due to the lack of video footage that was around during the 1950s and 60s when Pele was in his prime.
Maradona burst on the scene during an age when football was exploding into a multi-million-pound business. The footage of Pele is mainly restricted to that from World Cups. Indeed the King said himself that the greatest goal he ever scored, when he supposedly took on an entire team, was deleted from the archives a couple of decades ago.
With this in mind it is perhaps wrong to use video footage to decide who was better out of Maradona and Pele. Best clip compilations on the Internet are dangerous. One could put together a highlights package of all the best moments and tricks from Emile Heskeys career and claim that he was in fact the best player of all time. In order to decide how good a player is, you have to see them for the full 90 minutes, on a regular and consistent basis.
Longevity, which both of these players had, is important too. It is no good being world-class for two years before disappearing from the game. These players are legends because they were at the top of world football for 15 years or more. This is what makes the likes of Paolo Maldini such a phenomenon.
Pele Came Before Maradona
One thing that is important to recognise is that Pele was 10 maybe 20 years ahead of his time, although the likes of Alfredo Di Stefano and Ferenc Puskas would probably disagree.
I told myself before the game, 'he's made of skin and bones just like everyone else' - but I was wrong, said Tarciso Burgnich of Italy after the 1970 World Cup final.
Some say that if there was no Pele, there would have been no Cruijff, Zico, Maradona, Baggio or Zidane.
Deciding who was better out of Pele and Maradona is one that will always split the critics. I reach my own conclusion by asking myself whether Argentina would have won the World Cup in 1986 had they had Pele instead of Maradona.
For me the answer is no, and for this reason I would say that Maradona had more of an individual impact on a team than Pele.
If you still cant make up your mind (and in complete contradiction to the earlier argument about video footage) the two videos below will maybe help youTO THE TEAM'S SUCCESS AND NAMNA GANI UNAUCHEZEA MPIRA NDO MAANA ZIDANE NA RONALDINHO WAMEFANIKIWA KUWA WACHEZAJI BORA WA DUNIA MARA MBILI AU ZAIDI KILA MMOJA IJAPOKUWA HAWAKUWA WAFUNGAJI BORA KWENYE LIGI ZAO
ILA MAELEZO YAFUATAYO YANAWEZA KUTUSAIDIA KUPAMBANUA
VIDEO World Debate: Who Was Better Pele Or Maradona?
As the bitter war of words between Pele and Maradona continues to overshadow this weekends Clasico between Argentina and Brazil, Goal.com republishes an old debate asking whom out of the two former players was the greatest?
Sep 2, 2009 4:00:23 PM
Zoom
South American legends Pelé and Diego Maradona clutching what they treasure most.
Related Links
Teams
Players
There are some things in this world that simply cannot be agreed on - The Rolling Stones vs. The Beatles, Magic Johnson vs. Michael Jordan and, of course, Pele vs. Maradona.
This last question has split opinion almost more than any other and will continue to do so forever.
So how do you judge who was better? Well there are many ways.
Medals & Trophies
Pele won three World Cups, two Copa Libertadores, two Intercontinental Cups and a host of other Brazilian and American titles, while he picked up the FIFA Player of the Century Award in 2000.
Maradona, on the other hand, won a single World Cup, league titles in Argentina and Italy, national Cups in Spain and Italy, and a horde of individual honours including best player at the 1986 World Cup, FIFA Goal of the Century, and FIFA Player of the Century (Peoples Choice).
Some would argue that the fact that Pele won three World Cups to Maradonas one, would make him the better player.
Of course team prizes, the greatest of them all being the World Cup, are very important, however it is incorrect to judge a player solely on silverware. Pele was a young 17-year-old (albeit a wonderkid) in 1958, barely made an impact in 1962 and 1966 due to injury, and in 1970, despite his fine performances, he was playing in the best football team of all time alongside the likes of Tostao, Rivelino, Gerson and Jairzinho.
Maradona, however, dragged a distinctly average Argentina team all the way to World Cup glory in 1986, scoring the greatest goal of all time against England in the quarter-final, and another almost equally as brilliant against Belgium in the semis.
Brazil would have won the 1970 World Cup with or without Pele. Sixteen years later Argentina probably wouldnt have progressed past Enzo Francescolis Copa America holders Uruguay in the second round without Maradona in their side.
This doesnt necessarily make Maradona a better player. Although one has to ask themselves the question. If Pele was playing for Argentina in 1986 would they have won the World Cup?
Goals Scored
Supporters of Pele always boast how he scored 1281 goals in 1363 games. First of all it must be pointed out that there is a great deal of uncertainty over this total. It is often claimed that Pele counted friendly goals, while a common joke among Maradona-fans is that the Brazilian even added his strike from the Escape to Victory movie starring Sylvester Stallone and Michael Caine. Many of Peles goals were also scored for Santos in the state and local championships, where the opposition was not that strong.
Nevertheless with 77 goals in 92 appearances for Brazil, 12 of them in the World Cup, no one can question Peles astonishing scoring ability.
Maradona hit 34 in 91 appearances, eight in World Cups, and had a career total of 311 in 590 appearances.
Once again you should not read too much into goal statistics such as these. A great player or forward will score goals when they really matter, such as in big title deciders or cup knockout matches.
Some prolific goalscorers from the past have not always necessarily produced their best in these big games. Followers of Italian football will know that Alberto Gilardino has a fine record, however he has always struggled to score against the top teams or in the important matches.
Pele and Maradona did this, both at club and international level, so in this respect they cannot be separated. What the Argentine can boast, though, is that he excelled in Europe most notably at Napoli where he is a living God after leading the Partenopei to their first-ever Scudetto in 1987, and another in 1990. While Napoli contained many other top-class players such as Careca, Alemao, Ciro Ferrara and Bruno Giordano, it is questionable they could have had such a period of success, which also included a UEFA Cup, without Maradona.
As for Pele, he never played in Europe, so in some ways he was always in his comfort zone. On the other hand, during the early 1960s Santos were the best club team in the world, and Pele always performed superbly against European teams during not only exhibition matches but in the two-legged Intercontinental Cup finals of 1962 and 1963 when Santos beat Benfica and Milan respectively and Pele scored a combined total of seven goals.
Fair Play
This is the argument that Pele is the greatest because Maradona is a poor role model - Diegos substance abuse and the fact that he cheated with his Hand of God goal against England in 1986 makes him a lesser player.
This hypothesis is ridiculous. Regardless of how poorly Maradona behaved off the pitch, and how much he bent the rules on it, this all makes no difference to how great a player he was.
Indeed in central and southern Europe and South America, being crafty and sneaky is seen as a major part of the game. If you can con the referee or an opponent and score a goal because of it, then you are tactically and mentally a better player.
While on moral grounds Maradona can be criticised for his cocaine addiction, it should not interfere with how he is regarded as a footballer. Do you say that Amy Winehouse is a bad singer because she takes drugs?
Pele is no angel either. Indeed some would argue that, as part of the FIFA Family along with the likes of Sepp Blatter, Joao Havelange, he is indeed worse than Maradona.
It should also be cleared up that Maradona never took performance-enhancing drugs, as is often mistakenly believed. Cocaine actually results in a drop in the level of play, and indeed Diego has said that he would have been three-times the player he was without his addiction.
Video Footage
Deciding who was better out of Pele and Maradona is difficult due to the lack of video footage that was around during the 1950s and 60s when Pele was in his prime.
Maradona burst on the scene during an age when football was exploding into a multi-million-pound business. The footage of Pele is mainly restricted to that from World Cups. Indeed the King said himself that the greatest goal he ever scored, when he supposedly took on an entire team, was deleted from the archives a couple of decades ago.
With this in mind it is perhaps wrong to use video footage to decide who was better out of Maradona and Pele. Best clip compilations on the Internet are dangerous. One could put together a highlights package of all the best moments and tricks from Emile Heskeys career and claim that he was in fact the best player of all time. In order to decide how good a player is, you have to see them for the full 90 minutes, on a regular and consistent basis.
Longevity, which both of these players had, is important too. It is no good being world-class for two years before disappearing from the game. These players are legends because they were at the top of world football for 15 years or more. This is what makes the likes of Paolo Maldini such a phenomenon.
Pele Came Before Maradona
One thing that is important to recognise is that Pele was 10 maybe 20 years ahead of his time, although the likes of Alfredo Di Stefano and Ferenc Puskas would probably disagree.
I told myself before the game, 'he's made of skin and bones just like everyone else' - but I was wrong, said Tarciso Burgnich of Italy after the 1970 World Cup final.
Some say that if there was no Pele, there would have been no Cruijff, Zico, Maradona, Baggio or Zidane.
Deciding who was better out of Pele and Maradona is one that will always split the critics. I reach my own conclusion by asking myself whether Argentina would have won the World Cup in 1986 had they had Pele instead of Maradona.
For me the answer is no, and for this reason I would say that Maradona had more of an individual impact on a team than Pele.
If you still cant make up your mind (and in complete contradiction to the earlier argument about video footage) the two videos below will maybe help youTO THE TEAM'S SUCCESS AND NAMNA GANI UNAUCHEZEA MPIRA NDO MAANA ZIDANE NA RONALDINHO WAMEFANIKIWA KUWA WACHEZAJI BORA WA DUNIA MARA MBILI AU ZAIDI KILA MMOJA IJAPOKUWA HAWAKUWA WAFUNGAJI BORA KWENYE LIGI ZAO
ILA MAELEZO YAFUATAYO YANAWEZA KUTUSAIDIA KUPAMBANUA
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