Ok mkuu me I have a question. Do you think that if our independence was delayed lets say like South Africa, would we be in a better economic state then we are now?
And in the case of South Africa sure they have gotten ahead but at what price? The ones who are enjoying the fruits of the economy are the whites The few blacks who do enjoy it all are the ones who fought for independence but the mwananchi wa kawaida is left in the slums of Soweto. Isn't that what would have happened to us?
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Yes I believe so. Look at how Zimbabwe was at the time of its independence in 1980 and compare it to say Tz and Kenya. Hata leo after the madness you still cant compare Harare with Dar es Salaam or Nairobi infrastructurewise.
Kwanza mkuu, economic statistics are very tricky and they dont paint a true picture of reality on the ground. I agree, that though statistics show S.Africa to be Africa's largest economy, overwheling majority of the black population are living in abject poverty. The economic inequality there is frightening.
Lakini, a similar situation exists in Kenya and they have been independent since the 1960's. TZ is fast catching up. Kuna watu wanasema the entire economy is controlled by 8 families only. Isitoshe, inequalities exist in all societies.
Ukisoma vitabu vya Prof Thomas J. Stanley kama 'The millionaire next door' and 'The millionaire mind', anasema only 3% of Americans are millionaires and these are the guys who control the economy. The rest are just average Joes. The only difference is that African average Joe's go through hell but the first world Joe's at least have access to better social services and welfare. Inequality is universal.
Though you are right in the statements about the average joe in the first world compared to the average joe in my village, I HIGHLY DOUBT THE TRUTH IN THE STATEMENTS THAT I HAVE COLOURED. Have you ever been to Zimbabwe? am just asking?
No I've not been to Zimbabwe.
They say two wrongs don't make it right!
Colonialism was WRONG.current performance of our local leaders is ALSO WRONG.so there is no good we can get out of these two.
trying to make colonialism work will not work!it is the past.telling the British to come back now won't work either.since we will demand 50-50 of everything and that wont happen!!why would they incur 50-50 situation,administrative overhead costs,and many other headaches that comes with administering 40million Africans while they can sit back in LONDON,form a so called mining company send them to africa take 97% and leave 3% as mrahaba?!in a current "business-world" the second option sounds viable.
What most of us did not understand was, colonialism was all Business,as long as we failed to be viable they left!those pre-independence riots,protests and movements made us a poor business encounter.so they designed a much silkier approach,with less bloodshed,the one that would take 50+ years for our thick brains to realize,50+ clean years of pure business heaven,pure profits!lol..,won't you love the master-planners?!
As it is useless to try and modify the past then the present and the future makes more sense rectifying.
talking present,our Local Leaders comes to place.the kikwete's and Mwinyi's,the DC's and RC's the REO's and RPC's!from the top leaders to the ground level leaders.
these can change-if what they are doing is wrong or not enough.
apparently they are acting like former colonial masters.distinguishing themselves with big cars(VX's) and fancy Houses..,
Problem is viongozi wetu are acting way too colonial!!look at the gaps between MASAKI and manzese..,barabara nzuri-masaki,umeme constant-masaki,maji 24/7-masaki.and so many others!those colonial goodies are all enjoyed by the choosen few.and bad enough is the gap between the 1960 3rd class-magomeni and (the 2009 3rd class)manzese is too huge..,manzese(2009-3rd class) no longer boast good infrastructures,taa za barabarani in the streets are gone!and so many other colonial goodies.so,IRONICALLY,it has gotten tougher for the third class and rosier for the first class.Kikwete rides in the same Benz as his European counterparts,wears the same $2000 suits while 3rd class Manzese residents wear Mitumbas(3rd hand clothes from Europe),and ride in a 3rd hand daladala that was banished from Japanese streets!
solving our problems starts with our leaders,from ground level.working way up.so far no one cares if anything runs well,or even runs at all.MONEY has become the GOD of our society,whom have it is the leader.leaders no longer boasts the qualities of leaders,anybody wit enough money and a loud mouth becomes one.
One bitter truth is,Tanzanians do not enjoy fruits of independents as much as their leaders do.Leaders should be ashamed of this.Treating their people with same acts colonial masters did 50 years ago.
So, do we need to go back 50 years ago to correct mistakes we have now?!that's a long call..,we don't have to..,the world have moved on,our masters have moved on,everyone else have moved on.our masters tactics have become so far sophisticated and efficient.to them past centuries colonialism is way too costly now!!
with modifications they have made they can still get what they want from us for the next 100 years without a sweat!
So your conclusion that the infrastructure in Harare is much better than Dar and Nrb is baseless and unfounded. Please withdraw your statement Kikojozi.
I've never been to Kibera. But I'm sure it's infrastructure is worse than that of Kimara.
C'mon Smatta, this is too easy. Gimme a real challenge.
I always believe discussing the blaming the past to present problems never solve future problems!Mkuu I get you. Both colonialism and the so called independence are crap. Classical colonialism (as I like to call it) can never come back. What you have described at length is what most people call neo-colonialism.
Sasa, just for argument's sake, we are trying to decide which is less worse between colonialism and freedom/independence. I think colonialism is less worse. What's your opinion and why?
Afu refering to the text I've bold, I think its we the people who have to change. Then we can hold our leaders accountable. Its highly unlikely leaders will ever change by themselves. Ask yourself, is it possible 200 guys can take 40 million SANE people where they don't want to go?
Sasa huu wizi roho mbaya ukabila udini umekujaje na je mkoloni anahusikaNakubaliana na wewe Shiumiti
maana sisi tungekubali mkoloni atutawale kwanza atupangie miji na kutujengea barabara nzuri na kutuletea maendeleo kidogo then ndio tungedai uhuru wetu sasa tukadai uhuru wakati sisi wenyewe bado mambumbumbu sasa ona faida yake. Mafuriko, Wizi, Magonjwa na nk lakini bado hatusikii somo wala hatuelewi somo tumekalia chama cha mapinduzi inabidi siku moja tusikie kitu kingine tofauti ambacho kipya na kitainua watu kiakili na kimawazo.