Kenyan Writer Disses Tanzania!

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it's no use to bawl on Tanzania's belated response to regional intergration. Kenyans , if much impatient, can go ahead and forge EA unity with the rest. it should just put it's big mouth where its money is.

Kenya particulary is eager to see EA regional intergration soon because of its big economic woes. the atmosphere is so much stressed with individualism , ailing domestic market, tribalism & unemployment and much more troubles of course.

But the Kenyan leaders understand (and the ordinary Kenyans should) that true EA unity must take Tanzania on board. There is no fault for a patner state to doubt what it stands to gain or loose in the proposed regional intergration and eventual political federation.
 
Nguli said:
It is time members of the East African Community called Tanzania's bluff.

Our southern neighbour has become a veritable impediment to integration and progress in the region.

Everytime a useful proposal is put forward, it throws a spanner in the works. Kenya, Uganda and the two candidate-members of the Community, Rwanda and Burundi, should simply shrug Tanzania off and forge ahead.

The latest Tanzanian objection is the proposal to allow the use of identity cards when crossing borders instead of the requirement for passports, which relatively few ordinary East Africans have anyway.
The effect of the Tanzanian veto is to limit the movement of people about, who in most cases are traders going back and forth. It is difficult to see the logic of Dar es Salaam's objection.

At this rate, the dream of federation by 2013 will remain dead as long as Tanzania is allowed to dictate terms.

Tanzania has for many years been consumed by a large deceit of thinking it is more important than it actually is.

Basically, it still lives in a time warp where it is forever harping on its old credentials of being a linchpin of the liberation struggles of southern Africa.

WITHOUT DOUBT THIS WAS A historically important role. But the world of today is being shaped not by re-living the progressive glories of the 60s but by learning to adapt to fast-changing economic trends of today.





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Tanzania does not want integration, it has more to lose than gain.The politicians do not have a strategic plan for Tanzania's interests and are caught between optimistic rhetoric and practical regional strategy.
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Muungano wa Tanganyika na Zanzibar fast tracked ile mbaya(Mapinduzi Jan ,Muungano April) .Sasa nashangaa stubborn adle headedness ya Tanzania towards EA integration process ambayo imepewa muda tosha wa
majadiliano,

Tanzania wrapped up in itself will make the most unpleasant bundle.Watanzania lets wake up to reality.
 
Kuna kitu kinawafanya wagangamale na huo umoja, look like they will benefit more than anyone else. Jamani haya ***** yana lao jambo, hicho kiingereza chao upupu kisichokuwa backed na elimu kitatuletea matatizo.

Angalia jinsi gani majambazi kutoka kwao yanavuka mpaka nakuja kuiba Tanzania. Vita kwao haiishi wanauana kila siku silaha haramu zimejaa, hivyo wanataka waingie hapa bila passport wafanye uharamia, kama hawana passport that is their problem. Hivi hatuna umoja lakini wanatumia vitega uchumi vyetu kujitangaza na kuvutia watalii tukiwa na umoja itakuwaje? Mijitu hii sura mbaya na inatisha ikizagaa mitaani kwetu watoto wetu watawehuka na kuota usiku.
 
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Al Zagawi said:
our worry is not just on economic front as you guys seems to insist, we are also worried of importing social & cultural problems from your countries (LRA-uganda, Rwanda and Burundi-Uhutu v/s Ututsi and Kenya-Kikuyu v/s Luo and the rest)

as long as you guys are not able to sort out your problems...no intergration is gonna happen soon...and you know what, you need us and that explains as to why you guys are not able to go on your own....
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For sure they NEED US, because it would be very easy for them who have common problems to join rather than continuing to force us to join them. HATUWAOGOPI but we are preventing importation of problems. Thats why each country is always keen with the importation particulary of living materials like plants which are always inspected at the entrance point to avoid dissemination of threatening diseases or insects. If we are so serious about plants we must be more careful when it comes to our own life. Eradicating a problem is more expensive than preventing it. Therefore if we can PREVENT problems it is better for us than allowing them.

So KENYA and others go ahead and leave us alone!
 
MNDEE said:
Kuna kitu kinawafanya wagangamale na huo umoja, look like they will benefit more than anyone else. Jamani haya **** yana lao jambo, hicho kiingereza chao upupu kisichokuwa backed na elimu kitatuletea matatizo.

Angalia jinsi gani majambazi kutoka kwao yanavuka mpaka nakuja kuiba Tanzania. Vita kwao haiishi wanauana kila siku silaha haramu zimejaa, hivvo wanataka waingie hapa bila passport wafanye uharamia, kama hawana passport that is their problem. Hivi hatuna umoja lakini wanatumia vitega uchumi vyetu kujitangaza na kuvutia watalii tukiwa na umoja itakuwaje? Mijitu hii sura mbaya na inatisha ikizagaa mitaani kwetu watoto wetu watawehuka na kuota usiku.
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ILLITERATE wewe unaambia watu nini?? Talks za urembo na sura mbaya peleka huko Tyra banks show, your illetracy leaks every time you feel sentimental about your country and thats when the xenophobic beast in you shows its head, with or without your agreement you will join the EAC fully, even if it means dragging your crippled economy with the rest of us.. You cant hold us hostage, we need you and we will get you, simple.. So instead of wasting lots of time hurling insults, you should start taking your young boys to the Uni coz we will give them a run for their money.
Kama bado hatuko fully intergrated na waKenya wengi wana kazi nzuri nzuri Bongo, what do you think will happen after the intergration. Punguzzeni uswahili and do something about your lives, coz we are surely coming to change it,(its a like it or not thing).

SMATTA.
 
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simplemind said:
Muungano wa Tanganyika na Zanzibar fast tracked ile mbaya(Mapinduzi Jan ,Muungano April) .Sasa nashangaa stubborn adle headedness ya Tanzania towards EA integration process ambayo imepewa muda tosha wa
majadiliano,

Tanzania wrapped up in itself will make the most unpleasant bundle.Watanzania lets wake up to reality.
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Simplemind indeed!!!

Kenyans, Tz isn't ready for the shit. Leave us alone we are not used to ethnic clashes...please.
 
TzPride said:
Simplemind indeed!!!
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Simple mind ni kaka wenyu wakibongo, na nampa shavu kwa comment lake, on the other hand mtatujoin tu, hiyo si la kubisha, swali ni, mtajiunga lini? thats why we want to speed up this ish, before the well runs dry.
 
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Yeah babie, we coming to get you, and you cant do nothin about hahahahahaha. Kikwete already told u to get ready the other, tunacome.
 
Mnairobi said:
Yeah babie, we coming to get you, and you cant do nothin about hahahahahaha. Kikwete already told u to get ready the other, tunacome.
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What wrong with You Kenyans, you can 't live without TZ? Kikwete can say that he wants EAC, but if the TZ people say no, it's no. Or you will see a revolution by TZ people and kicking every Kenyan, Uganda, and Tutsis.


Don't be too happy, Only TZ people can say were they want to go SADC or EAC.
 
I have been to Kenya many times and the only thing i smell from kenyans is violence and skewed wealth. The number of have nots is amazing. The economy is in the hands of few politician and corrupt individuals. We are not ready to invite violence and all the dirts from Kenya. The arogance you showed from Migingo was enough. I saw many kenyans wearing t-shirts with inscriptions "migingo ni yetu". The poor island had no gold or diamond. It is having fish and its inhabitats are very poor. We are rich and proud of being Tanzanians. Stop that *** and leave our country alone
 
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"That argument flies in the face of all known precedents. Mexico knows the immense benefits it reaps from the North America Free Trade Association. (NAFTA) even though its economy can nowhere be compared with the United States' or Canada's.

Likewise countries like Slovakia or Croatia would not have been clamouring to join the European Union to be in the company of more advanced members like France and Germany. But the cost-benefit ratio in such situations favours the poorer members."

Nukuu ya hapo juu ina makosa makubwa sana katika nadharia za kiuchumi (deadly factual errors) inaonyesha kuwa jamaa (Warigi) sio mtu makini kabisa. Huwezi kulinganisha uchumi wa Marekani na Mexico na ule wa Kenya na Tanzania. TZ na Knya ni nchi mbili ambazo zote zinaumaskini wa kutupa. Kenya kuwa na idadi kubwa zaidi ya viwanda kuliko TZ haina maana kuwa ndio kwamba imeendelea sana kuliko TZ. Kenya ina viwanda vingi kuliko Australia, kwa mfano, lkn sijasikia hata siku moja wakenya wanajigamba kuwa wameendelea kuliko waAustralia, dunia itawacheka.Kuna mambo mengi ya kuangalia, kwa mfano, viwanda hivyo vinamilikiwa na nani. Hali ya miundombinu ikoje. Hali ya maisha ya watu nchini humo ikoje. Zaidi ya 50% ya viwanda vya Kenya vinamilikiwa na wageni. Miundombinu ni mibovu kweli, na wakenya walio wengi ni maskini wa kutupa.

Marekani ni nchi iliyoendela sana kiuchumi (economic super power) duniani. Mexico ni nchi inayoendelea (develoing country). Haijafikia hata level ya nchi za ulaya. Intergration yoyote kati ya Mexico na Marekani au Croationa, Slovakia na Ulaya lazima zifaidishe nchi hizo maskini zaidi. Moja ya faida kubwa ni ajira. Ulaya na Marekani ni chumi kubwa sana ambazo zinahitaji ajira nafuu (cheap labour) kwa kiasi kikubwa sana. "Such economies are vibrant, dynamic, and so they need as much workforce as possible to sustain production." Na ajira nafuu sio lazima iwe unskilled. Hivyo wamexico na wengineo wanaenda sana Marekani na Ulaya kutafuta ajira. Tena mara nyingi ni skilled but cheap. Wamexico au wacroatia wako tayari kuchukua mshahara mdogo zaidi ya wazawa kwa sbb ya uhaba wa kazi kwao.

Sasa suala moja tu la ajira linaonyesha kuwa Kenya ni vidampa tu na huo uchumi mkubwa wanaouongelea wala si mkubwa kiivyo, pamoja na kuwa wanatuzidi viwanda. Wanachotuzidi ni namba tu kitu ambacho hakina maana yeyote. Wewe una tano mimi nina tatu. So what? (By the way India, pia hata China kila moja ina viwanda vingi kuliko Marekani)

Badala ya wakazi wa nchi wanazoziita 'maskini' kama TZ au Uganda kukimbilia Kenya kutafuta kazi kama ilivyo Mexico kwa Marekani, wenyewe wakenya ndio wanao kimbilia nchi hizi nyingine kutafuta kazi. Vurugu za uchaguzi wa 2007 na uporaji uliokithiri Kenya unafanywa zaidi na vijana walio wengi wasiokuwa na ajira. Sasa uchumi gani huo ambao hauwezi hata kutoa ajira kwa watu wake.

Na kama uchumi wa kenya ungekuwa mkubwa kiivyo ni sisi waTZ ndio tungekuwa tunaulilia huo muungano wa Afrika mashariki. Kwa nini wenyewe ndio walie na kuuma meno kila TZ inapoonyesha kutokuutaka huo muungano.

Warigi anaweza kudhani kuwa kawakosha wakenya wenzake kwa kuropoka kama mbwa koko anaehara lakini ajue kuwa watu makini tumemuona hafai.
 
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Smatta,

Rafiki yangu vipi? Sii ulisema utaacha maneno mabaya over Tz na EA region?

Heshima tafadhali!
 
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Smatta said:
Simple mind ni kaka wenyu wakibongo, na nampa shavu kwa comment lake, on the other hand mtatujoin tu, hiyo si la kubisha, swali ni, mtajiunga lini? thats why we want to speed up this ish, before the well runs dry.
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nyie ni wapuuzi na naona mnamezea mata maisha ya ki TZ,njooni tu mle makombo watu washalamba kila kitu poleni kama mnafikiri wamelala njaa kali nyinyi
 
Hebu niulize mbona anayeambiwa ni smatta I see others using derogatory language?

Lets be fair, if we are going to condemn something then it should be applied across the board.

I would also like to urge my fellow africans, lets not get emotional, put down your points and do not take it personal if faults are pointed out in your argument. Go reorganize/elaborate what you think was not understood.

It is the only way we are going to elimishana. Otherwise itakuwa hamna benefit yoyote.
 
Thread ishakuwa counter productive,too much noise zero communication.Nevertheless kwa hili la integration viongozi waelewe baadhi yetu ni permanently immature na peternalist guidance and oppression if need be is only kindness to hawa homebound youth with homelywits. Museveni, Kagame, Kibaki, Kikwete breakdown this walls,erase this borders for prosperity,peace and freedom.
 
We are sooo used to it. Only kenyans get warnings and bannings while its ok for others to call us manyang'au mungiki etc.
 
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