It's OK to fire 'irresistible' worker

It's OK to fire 'irresistible' worker

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Iowa Supreme Court: OK to fire 'irresistible' worker

By Dana Ford, CNN

updated 6:38 PM EST, Sat December 22, 2012

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An attorney for Melissa Nelson said that the case underscores the need for diversity on the Iowa Supreme Court.


STORY HIGHLIGHTS

  • Melissa Nelson worked as a dental assistant for James Knight for more than 10 years
  • Knight complained Nelson wore tight clothes, was a "detriment" to his family
  • Knight's wife demanded he fire Nelson; he did
  • The all-male high court rules her termination did not constitute unlawful discrimination

(CNN) -- Can a boss fire an employee he finds attractive because he and his wife, fairly or not, see her as a threat to their marriage?
Yes, the Iowa Supreme Court ruled Friday.
"The question we must answer is ... whether an employee who has not engaged in flirtatious conduct may be lawfully terminated simply because the boss views the employee as an irresistible attraction," Justice Edward M. Mansfield wrote for the all-male high court.
Such firings may not be fair, but they do not constitute unlawful discrimination under the Iowa Civil Rights Act, the decision read, siding with a lower court.
An attorney for Melissa Nelson, the fired employee, said the decision was wrong.
"We are appalled by the court's ruling and its failure to understand the nature of gender bias," said Paige Fiedler, the attorney."For the seven men on the Iowa Supreme Court not to 'get it' is shocking and disheartening. It underscores the need for judges on the bench to be diverse in terms of their gender, race and life experiences."

Read the court's decision (PDF)
The case concerns her client's employment as a dental assistant. Nelson worked for James Knight in 1999 and stayed for more than 10 years at the Fort Dodge business.

Toward the end of her employment, Knight complained to Nelson her clothing was tight and "distracting," the decision read. She denied her clothes were inappropriate.

At one point, Knight told Nelson that "if she saw his pants bulging, she would know her clothing was too revealing," the decision read.
At another point, in response to an alleged comment Nelson made about the infrequency of her sex life, Knight responded: [T]hat's like having a Lamborghini in the garage and never driving it."

During the last six months of Nelson's employment, Nelson and Knight, both married with children, started sending text messages to each other outside of work. Neither objected to the texting.
Knight's wife, who was employed at the same dental office, found out about those messages in late 2009 and demanded he fire Nelson.

In early 2010, he did just that. In the presence of a pastor, Knight told Nelson she had become a "detriment" to his family and that for the sakes of both their families, they should no longer work together, the decision read. Knight gave Nelson one month's severance.

In a subsequent conversation between Knight and Nelson's husband, Knight said Nelson had done nothing wrong and that "she was the best dental assistant he ever had," the decision read.
Nelson filed a lawsuit, contending that Knight fired her because of her gender. She did not say he committed sexual harassment.

In response, Knight argued that Nelson was fired because of the "nature of their relationship and the perceived threat" to his marriage, not because of her gender. In fact, he said, Knight only employs women and replaced Nelson with another female employee.

A district court sided with Knight; Nelson appealed.
"As we have indicated above, the issue before us is not whether a jury could find that Dr. Knight treated Nelson badly," read the high court's decision.

"We are asked to decide only if a genuine fact issue exists as to whether Dr. Knight engaged in unlawful gender discrimination when he fired Nelson at the request of his wife. For the reasons previously discussed, we believe this conduct did not amount to unlawful discrimination, and therefore we affirm the judgment of the district court."
 
I see the logic behind Knight's decision lakini mahakama hapa inatoa fursa kwa watu kutumia kisingizio hicho kufukuza watu kazi
 
The court's finding is wrong on so many levels as it could open a Pandora's box of similar instances where a boss can fire you just because they don't like you for whatever reason.

So this girl got fired due to her "irresistible" looks. Well, can an employer now also fire his or her employee due to their homely looks? Total foolishness.

Like firing her will make the husband not pursue her if he is bound and determined to get her and if she is also interested in him.

That was a wrongful termination and I do see this case making it all the way to the US Supreme court.
 
After working as a dental assistant for ten years, Melissa Nelson was fired for being too "irresistible" and a "threat" to her employer's marriage."I think it is completely wrong," Nelson said. "I think it is sending a message that men can do whatever they want in the work force."
On Friday, the all-male Iowa State Supreme Court ruled that James Knight, Nelson's boss, was within his legal rights when he fired her, affirming the decision of a lower court.
"We do think the Iowa Supreme Court got it completely right," said Stuart Cochrane, an attorney for James Knight. "Our position has always been Mrs. Nelson was never terminated because of her gender, she was terminated because of concerns her behavior was not appropriate in the workplace. She's an attractive lady. Dr. Knight found her behavior and dress to be inappropriate."
For Nelson, a 32-year-old married mother of two, the news of her firing and the rationale behind it came as a shock.
"I was very surprised after working so many years side by side I didn't have any idea that that would have crossed his mind," she said.
The two never had a sexual relationship or sought one, according to court documents, however in the final year and a half of Nelson's employment, Knight began to make comments about her clothing being too tight or distracting.
"Dr. Knight acknowledges he once told Nelson that if she saw his pants bulging, she would know her clothing was too revealing," the justices wrote.
Six months before Nelson was fired, she and her boss began exchanging text messages about work and personal matters, such as updates about each of their children's activities, the justices wrote.
The messages were mostly mundane, but Nelson recalled one text she received from her boss asking "how often she experienced an orgasm."
Nelson did not respond to the text and never indicated that she was uncomfortable with Knight's question, according to court documents.
Soon after, Knight's wife, Jeanne, who also works at the practice, found out about the text messaging and ordered her husband to fire Nelson.
The couple consulted with a senior pastor at their church and he agreed that Nelson should be terminated in order to protect their marriage, Cochrane said.
On Jan. 4, 2010, Nelson was summoned to a meeting with Knight while a pastor was present. Knight then read from a prepared statement telling Nelson she was fired.
"Dr. Knight felt like for the best interest of his marriage and the best interest of hers to end their employment relationship," Cochrane said.
Knight acknowledged in court documents that Nelson was good at her job and she, in turn, said she was generally treated with respect.
"I'm devastated. I really am," Nelson said.
When Nelson's husband tried to reason with Knight, the dentist told him he "feared he would have an affair with her down the road if he did not fire her."
Paige Fiedler, Nelson's attorney, said in a statement to ABC News affiliate KCRG that she was "appalled" by the ruling.
"We are appalled by the Court's ruling and its failure to understand the nature of gender bias.," she wrote.
"Although people act for a variety of reasons, it is very common for women to be targeted for discrimination because of their sexual attractiveness or supposed lack of sexual attractiveness. That is discrimination based on sex," Fiedler wrote. "Nearly every woman in Iowa understands this because we have experienced it for ourselves."
 
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Mahousegirl ni victims wakubwa sana wa hii kitu.
Nilipata binti mmoja wa kawaida ila alikuwa na seductive eyes; lkn mavazi yake yalikuwa ya uchokozi sana (hakuwa na figure ya kushow off), kitu cha kanga moja na kutembea barabarani. Kawaida yangu huwa sikemei uvaaji wa mtu na honestly sipendi mtu avae likitu kama gunia. Pamoja na kwamba alinitenda lkn mpaka kesho lawama nampa mwanaume kwani naamini bado angeweza kujizuia angetaka.

So kama mahakama imeamua in favor ya mwanaume ina maana ina favor weakness ya mwanaume. Na hakuna aliye mtrust mwanamke kukataa hiyo affair (it takes two na sio mwanaume tu). Na hiyo ni US of A.
 
Mahousegirl ni victims wakubwa sana wa hii kitu.
Nilipata binti mmoja wa kawaida ila alikuwa na seductive eyes; lkn mavazi yake yalikuwa ya uchokozi sana (hakuwa na figure ya kushow off), kitu cha kanga moja na kutembea barabarani. Kawaida yangu huwa sikemei uvaaji wa mtu na honestly sipendi mtu avae likitu kama gunia. Pamoja na kwamba alinitenda lkn mpaka kesho lawama nampa mwanaume kwani naamini bado angeweza kujizuia angetaka.

So kama mahakama imeamua in favor ya mwanaume ina maana ina favor weakness ya mwanaume. Na hakuna aliye mtrust mwanamke kukataa hiyo affair (it takes two na sio mwanaume tu). Na hiyo ni US of A.

Kaunga ni kweli wanaume tuko weak kwenye suala hilo, lakini mavazi yenu yana effect kubwa sana hasa yanapokuwa ya kuonyesha majaliwa ya muumba. namuongea huruma huyo daktari ameweza kuvumilia kipindi chote hicho
 
Mimi naona daktari hakuwa na mpago wa kumwachisha kazi mama huyo, tatizo linatokana na shinikizo la mkewe; daktari mwenye kakili kwamba ungeweza kabisa kuwa na uhusiano wa mapenzi na mfanyakazi wake huyo kadri ziku zilivyokuwa zinaenda - Sasa kama anasema alikuwa mfanyakazi bora kwa nini akumfanyia mpango wa kumtafutia kazi pengine kama njia ya ku-contain vishawishi. Hapa hawataki kusema ukweli lakini inaonekana wazi wazi walikuwa na feelings towards each other.
 
Mahousegirl ni victims wakubwa sana wa hii kitu.
Nilipata binti mmoja wa kawaida ila alikuwa na seductive eyes; lkn mavazi yake yalikuwa ya uchokozi sana (hakuwa na figure ya kushow off), kitu cha kanga moja na kutembea barabarani. Kawaida yangu huwa sikemei uvaaji wa mtu na honestly sipendi mtu avae likitu kama gunia. Pamoja na kwamba alinitenda lkn mpaka kesho lawama nampa mwanaume kwani naamini bado angeweza kujizuia angetaka.

So kama mahakama imeamua in favor ya mwanaume ina maana ina favor weakness ya mwanaume. Na hakuna aliye mtrust mwanamke kukataa hiyo affair (it takes two na sio mwanaume tu). Na hiyo ni US of A.

Kaunga sielewi unataka kutetea nini hapa wakati hata wewe unajua mavazi ya kichokozi wanayovaa wanawake huwa wanalengo la kuwaangusha wanaume.

Hii hukumu imetulia sana
 
dah,nilijiandaa kweli kumuona "mwenye mvuto kupita kiasi" kumbe maneno matupu?
 
huyu jamaa anatakiwa kupongezwa kwani amejitaidi kuokoa ndoa yake!!!!!!!!
 
huyu jamaa anatakiwa kupongezwa kwani amejitaidi kuokoa ndoa yake!!!!!!!!

Na hii Kitu mkuu bona wanaiweza wanaume wachache tu kwani most of us kiukweli huyu mtu asingeachishwa kazi (ili jamaa agegede taaratibu) ama angeachishwa huku jamaa ameshamgegeda! Hivyo huyo dada ashukuru kwa yote na asonge mbele na maisha!

Pia usije ukashangaa baada ya mda jamaa ataanza kugegeda!
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This reflects bad on us. Nini inatutofautisha na wananyama? We sound like wild animals without self-control. In this day and age an article like this should bring shame on us.
 
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Mwanamke mwenyewe huyu ila mimi sioni huo u-irresistability wake

Tena afadhali sie waafrika tunaweza kumuona wa kawaida (uzuri unatambuliwa zaidi kwa watu wa race moja, ndiyo maana unaweza kukuta demu mbaya kiafrika lakini wazungu wanampapatikia, au demu wa kizungu wazungu wanamuona mbaya lakini waafrika wanamtaka etc)

I am sure some SOHO yuppies would look at this and say "iiiill".

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder anyway.

Mi ningemuona huyu barabarani hata nisingemuangalia mara mbili.
 
This reflects bad on us. Nini inatutofautisha na wananyama? We sound like wild animals without self-control. In this day and age an article like this should bring shame on us.

There is a danger of over intellectuallizing practical matters, and over exalting the position of humans.

The fact is, we are animals.

How else could you explain the current human condition?
 
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huyu jamaa anatakiwa kupongezwa kwani amejitaidi kuokoa ndoa yake!!!!!!!!
Kuoka ndoa yake? Hii ndoa haina chance kabisa. There will always be another ass on display for him to find "irresistible"
 
huyu jamaa anatakiwa kupongezwa kwani amejitaidi kuokoa ndoa yake!!!!!!!!

Unaweza kufunika dunia nzima kwa busati ili mguu wako usikanyage mchanga.

Au unaweza kuvaa kiatu tu na kufanya kitu kile kile kwa urahisi zaidi.
 
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