Is non theism mindless?

Ishmael · Jan 7, 2015

Mzuvendi said:
Sir;

My suggestion is Ishmael should argue: If non theism is true, we are reduced to chemicals machines

Of course not and you don't live consistent with non theism. There would be no 'great' morals if God doesn't exist. There would only be 7 Billion illusions - and none of them true.

1) If we are mere chemical animals (non theism), then chemicals determine behavior for us, not free-will. Without free-will there is no right and wrong - just whatever is caused by chemicals. Even child rape is caused by natural electrochemical activity - not a choice.
2) Without an objective basis for moral values and duties, morality is an illusion of something not real. There is no OBJECTIVE basis that is not God.

Now, why is the child rapist morally culpable when he has no free-will choice?

Ishmael · Jan 7, 2015

Mzuvendi said:
There no place in JF where I declare that I don't believe in God. The only thing I argue with you is I don't tolerate invalid and baseless arguments

Then refute it, if you can and not empty dismissals

Ishmael · Jan 7, 2015

Mzuvendi said:
Aren't you posting random answers? There's no relationship between what I have said and what you are trying to reply.

That is why you need to pay attention. "The law is that nothing "chemicals" can BEGIN to exist uncaused.

Ishmael · Jan 7, 2015

Ishmael said:
Can non theists defend their belief position that No God exists - or is non theism a mindless belief held without evidence or arguments?

I have never heard an non theist offer arguments or evidence to justify their non theist belief position. I've heard hundreds of temper tantrums, lies, dodging questions, 'sky fairy' straw men, really lame excuses for why non theism has no intellectual burden....but never any intellectual justification. Normally, when I finish exposing the non theist, he /she blocks me to stop the humiliation.

What arguments and evidence do non theists offer to justify their belief?

Where is Free ideas ?

Anheuser · Jan 7, 2015

Ishmael said:
God is not "something".

Then what is God?

Nkwesa Makambo said:
God is eternal he never come into BEING /EXISTENCE;

Very good.

So, not everything in existence must require a cause. Right or wrong?

Nkwesa Makambo · Jan 7, 2015

Anheuser said:
Then what is God?

Very good.

So, not everything in existence must require a cause. Right or wrong?

God is Spirit
Wrong. every thing that COME into existence...! There is a supreme being that never came into existence though exists...

Ishmael · Jan 7, 2015

Anheuser said:
Then what is God?

Very good.

So, not everything in existence must require a cause. Right or wrong?

Only God.

Mzuvendi · Jan 7, 2015

Ishmael said:
Where is Free ideas ?

fascinating !!!!!!!!!!!!, you answer your own post.

Ishmael · Jan 7, 2015

Mzuvendi said:
fascinating !!!!!!!!!!!!, you answer your own post.

I was calling somebody.

Ishmael · Jan 7, 2015

Maziku Masunga Jr. said:
mdau mimi si mpagani, naamini katika kristu. Na kumjua Mungu kupitia vitabu vya dini si utumwa ni lazima kuhoji kunapobidi ili kuimarisha imani. Umeongea vitu vizuri sana lakini mimi naomba turudi kwenye swali husika..
"watu wasio amini Mungu hawana ufahamu.?"
cc Eiyer Ishmael

Yes, watu wasio amini Mungu hawana ufahamu. 100% correct. What arguments and evidence do non theists offer to justify their belief?

Ishmael · Jan 7, 2015

Maziku Masunga Jr. said:
just by showing a logical contradiction in the nature of the supposed being.

How can you show me a contradiction for a God who never existed according to them? You know your family loves you, but you cannot prove it scientifically or empirically. You know artistic talent when you see it, but you cannot prove such things empirically. Empirical investigations are limited to those truths that lend themselves to the scientific process.

When you think about non theism is where the Nihilistic trouble immediately begins. But non theism is a mindless faith, inter-alia, ex nihilo nihilo fit (something cannot come from nothing).

If nothing ever existed, nothing would exist now.
Nothingness has no capacities or being.

TanzaniaLaw · Jan 8, 2015

Cureone said:
Matusi ni nini ?
Mbona huelezi mkiulizwa ninyi mindless

Uso wa nyoka said:
Matusi ni lugha au vitendo vinavyotumika mahali pasipostahili dhidi ya mtu mwingine asieviridhia kwa nia ya kumdunisha au kumuudhi.

Nyani Ngabu said:
You are a faggot and your god is a homo.

Now go suck his little dick.

Very sick post from Nyani Ngabu.

Nyani Ngabu · Jan 8, 2015

TanzaniaLaw said:
Very sick post from Nyani Ngabu.

You are a sick troll.

Uso wa nyoka · Jan 8, 2015

Maziku Masunga Jr. said:
teh teh teh duliangalucha masala goko..

Ndoho tabu Nkoi!

Ishmael · Jan 9, 2015

Nyani Ngabu said:
You are a faggot and your god is a homo.

Now go suck his little dick.

Dada, unapozidiwa akili haina haja ya kutukana. :blabla:

Nyani Ngabu · Jan 9, 2015

Telefunken said:
Dada, unapozidiwa akili haina haja ya kutukana. :blabla:

Sawa mama.

Ishmael · Jan 9, 2015

Maziku Masunga Jr. said:
mdau mimi si mpagani, naamini katika kristu. Na kumjua Mungu kupitia vitabu vya dini si utumwa ni lazima kuhoji kunapobidi ili kuimarisha imani. Umeongea vitu vizuri sana lakini mimi naomba turudi kwenye swali husika..
"watu wasio amini Mungu hawana ufahamu.?"
cc Eiyer Ishmael

Here is one reason non theists are mindless:

Although science cannot directly detect God, it can examine His creation. Consider the non-physical concept of love. We all accept that love exists, although it cannot be directly measured by science. However, if we observe those who love each other, we can indirectly measure the affect of love on these individuals' actions. For example, we might notice that they spend a lot of time together, they are constantly helping each other in various ways, and they come to each other's defense when the other is threatened in some way. Although we cannot measure love directly, we can measure the indirect effects of love. Likewise, although we cannot measure God directly, we can examine the universe to detect God's imprint on the physical world.

Ishmael · Jan 9, 2015

Maziku Masunga Jr. said:
You are not even attempting to follow the narrative. If God or some being exists only uncaused through a highly convoluted region, we can't even comprehend or describe on any coherent level. Then how can anyone say that being exists in the first place??? Obvious you can't.!!! And everything that follows afterward becomes increasingly incoherent.

Yes, now justify that belief in No God for us. No more BS and spin. You can't prove most things you KNOW to be true.
That's why reasonable people expect evidence. Unreasonable "non theists" people expect proof.

You have no evidence nor proof for no God, yet you believe in No God.

Ishmael · Jan 9, 2015

Maziku Masunga Jr. said:
Good comment. Agreed with your claims. The real question remains: Other than unmoved mover, what can one mean by God?? First cause does not mean creator, adjudicator, divine intervention, miracles na mengine kama hayo.

What you mentioned are some of God's attributes. God is Spirit and has no definition.

Ishmael · Jan 9, 2015

Maziku Masunga Jr. said:
if non theists believe in nothing, theists must believe in everything. In reality, non theists have a high bar for accepting belief, theists have a low bar.

No, they "non theists" don't believe in nothing but believe in NO God, inter-alia, nothingness has no capacities or being. No God is not nothing, in contrast, theists believe in God and not everything.

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