Iranian Elections: Ahmedinejad's Victory and The Aftermath!

[ZeMarcopolo]

Hakuna breaking news hapa, labda kama mmeamua kulazimisha.

 

[Buchanan]

Huyu rais dikteta wa Iran Mahmoud Ahmedinejad nafikiri siku zake za kuachia ngazi haziko mbali. You can fool people for sometimes but not always!

 

[Buchanan]

Iran protestors: Why did you kill our brothers?



Wearing black and carrying candles, tens of thousands of reformist candidate Mir-Hossein Mousavi's backers rally in Tehran on Thursday afternoon to mourn deaths of protestors killed in this week's election riots. Meanwhile authorities bar Rafsanjani's children from leaving country Reuters Published: 06.18.09, 17:17 / Israel News


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Tens of thousands of Mir-Hossein Mousavi's backers, wearing black and carrying candles, rallied in Tehran on Thursday to mourn those killed in mass protests against an election the defeated candidate says was rigged.


Days of public fury over the disputed election led Iran's top legislative body, the Guardian Council, to invite

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Mousavi and the two other candidates beaten by hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to discuss their complaints on Saturday.


The election has provoked Iran's worst unrest since the 1979 Islamic revolution. Bloodshed, protests, arrests and a media crackdown have rocked the world's fifth biggest oil exporter, embroiled in a dispute with the West over its nuclear program.


Witnesses said people packed Imam Khomeini Square in central Tehran on Thursday, a day after Mousavi called on his supporters to gather in mosques or at peaceful rallies.


He told them to wear the color of mourning - black as opposed to the green of his election campaign - in solidarity with families of those wounded or killed in the protests.


"Where are our brothers?" read one banner in the crowd. "Why did you kill our brothers?" read another.


Meanwhile the two children of former president Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, an opponent of President Ahmadinejad, have been barred from leaving Iran, the semi-official Fars News Agency said on Thursday.


Rafsanjani's daughter Faezeh addressed supporters of Mousavi on Tuesday. Hardline students called for her and her brother, Mehdi, to be arrested. Fars did not give a source for its report.


Iran's English-language state television has reported eight people killed in protests since election results were published. Scores of reformists have been arrested across the country.

Security agents detained opposition politician Ebrahim Yazdi while he was in hospital, an ally of his said on Thursday. Yazdi heads the banned Freedom Movement and was foreign minister in Iran's first government after the revolution.

A spokesman for the Guardian Council said it had begun "careful examination" of 646 complaints submitted after the June 12 vote. Complaints include shortage of ballot papers, pressure on voters to support a particular candidate, and the barring of candidates' representatives from polling stations.


Ahmadinejad was declared winner with nearly 63 percent of the vote against 34 percent for his closest rival, Mousavi, a moderate politician who wants better ties with the West.

Mousavi wants the vote annulled and held again. The council has said it is ready only to recount disputed ballot boxes.

Council spokesman Abbasali Kadkhodai said Mousavi and fellow-candidates Mehdi Karoubi and Mohsen Rezaie could raise their problems at an extraordinary council meeting on Saturday.


'Challenge to western democracy'

Ahmadinejad defended the legitimacy of the vote, telling a cabinet meeting on Wednesday that it had "posed a great challenge to the West's democracy," Mehr news agency reported.


"The ideals of the Islamic Revolution were the winners of the election," Ahmadinejad said, adding that 25 million of 40 million voters had approved the way he was running the country.


The authorities reject charges that they rigged the vote. Scores of thousands of Iranians have braved riot police and religious militia to show their anger on the streets, ignoring Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's call for national unity.


"The friendly atmosphere that existed prior to the election should not turn into an atmosphere of confrontation and enmity afterwards, since both groups of voters believe in the Islamic system," Khamenei was quoted as saying in Kayhan newspaper.


The supreme leader is due to lead Friday prayers, when Ahmadinejad supporters are expected to show their strength.


Hamid Najafi, editor-in-chief of Kayhan International, an English-language conservative Iranian daily, said the Guardian Council investigation of the vote would calm unrest.


"I think that will be enough to pacify the opponents," he told Reuters. "After the investigation the Guardian

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Council will issue an official statement. That will be the final act."


He said the overall election result would not change because "there isn't a millionth chance of doing any fraud" and Ahmadinejad's victory was "very obvious." Khamenei's Friday sermon would be "very effective for all these people who have been misled," he added. "Of course everything will calm down."

Iran has denounced foreign criticism of the election, although US President Barack Obama's administration has muted its comments to keep the door open for possible dialogue.

 

[MwanaFalsafa1]

TEHRAN, Iran – Iran's supreme leader said Friday that the country's disputed presidential vote had not been rigged, sternly warning protesters of a crackdown if they continue massive demonstrations demanding a new election.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei sided with hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and offered no concessions to the opposition. He effectively closed any chance for a new vote by calling the June 12 election an "absolute victory."
The speech created a stark choice for candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi and his supporters: Drop their demands for a new vote or take to the streets again in blatant defiance of the man endowed with virtually limitless powers under Iran's constitution.
Pro-Mousavi Web sites had no immediate reaction to Khamenei's warning and no announcement of any changes in a protest planned for 4 p.m. Saturday.
Khamenei accused foreign media and Western countries of trying to create a political rift and stir up chaos in Iran. Iranian leaders often blame foreign "enemies" for plots against the country, but Khamenei's comments suggest Iran could remain cool to expanding dialogue with the West and the offer of opening talks with Washington.
"Some of our enemies in different parts of the world intended to depict this absolute victory, this definitive victory, as a doubtful victory," he said. "It is your victory. They cannot manipulate it."
Khamenei said the 11 million votes that separated Ahmadinejad from his top opponent, Mousavi, were proof that fraud did not occur. Ahmadinejad watched the sermon from the front row. State television did not show Mousavi in attendance.
"If the difference was 100,000 or 500,000 or 1 million, well, one may say fraud could have happened. But how can one rig 11 million votes?" Khamenei asked during Friday prayers at Tehran University.
Mousavi and his supporters have staged massive street rallies in recent days that have posed the greatest challenge to the Iran's Islamic ruling system since the 1979 Islamic Revolution that brought it to power.
So far, the government has not stopped the protests with force despite an official ban on them. But Khamenei opened the door for harsher measures.
"It must be determined at the ballot box what the people want and what they don't want, not in the streets," he said. "I call on all to put an end to this method. ... If they don't, they will be held responsible for the chaos and the consequences."
Khamenei blamed the U.S., Great Britain and what he called Iran's other enemies for fomenting unrest. He said Iran would not see a second revolution like those that transformed the countries of the former Soviet Union.
British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said in Brussels that the European Union unanimously condemned violence against protesters in Iran, and the British Foreign Office said it had summoned Iran's ambassador to London to explain Khamenei's comments.
He remained staunch in his defense of Ahmadinejad, saying his views were closer to the president's than to those of former President Hashemi Rafsanjani, a powerful patron of Mousavi.
Khamenei's address was his first since hundreds of thousands of Mousavi supporters flooded the streets in Tehran and elsewhere in the country in rallies evoking the revolution that ended Iran's U.S.-backed monarchy. On Thursday, supporters dressed in black and green flooded downtown Tehran in a somber, candlelit show of mourning for those who have been killed in clashes since Friday's vote.
Khamenei said the street protests would not have any impact.
"Some may imagine that street action will create political leverage against the system and force the authorities to give in to threats. No, this is wrong," he said.
The supreme leader left open a small window for a legal challenge to the vote. He reiterated that he has ordered the Guardian Council, an unelected body of 12 clerics and Islamic law experts close to the supreme leader, to investigate voter fraud claims.
The Council has said it was prepared to conduct a limited recount of ballots at sites where candidates claim irregularities.
He stressed that the four candidates were part of the country's Islamic system and reminded listeners that Mousavi was prime minister of Iran when Khamenei was president in the 1980s.
"All of them belong to the system. It was a competition within the ruling system," he said.
So far, protesters have focused on the results of the balloting rather than challenging the Islamic system of government. But a shift in anger toward Iran's non-elected theocracy could result in a showdown over the foundation of Iran's system of rule.
Ahmadinejad has appeared to take the growing opposition more seriously in recent days, backtracking Thursday on his dismissal of the protesters as "dust" and sore losers.
The crowds in Tehran and elsewhere have been able to organize despite a government clampdown on the Internet and cell phones. The government has blocked certain Web sites, such as BBC Farsi, Facebook, Twitter and several pro-Mousavi sites that are vital conduits for Iranians to tell the world about protests and violence.
Text messaging, which is a primary source of spreading information in Tehran, has not been working since last week, and cell phone service in Tehran is frequently down. The government also has barred foreign news organizations from reporting on Tehran's streets.
The BBC said it was employing two new satellites to help circumvent Iranian jamming of its Persian-language service.
Source:AP

The Man has spoken sasa kazi kwisha. Ahmadinejad is going to hold his sit.

 

[kui]

Mwanafalsafa, I told you, this election wasn't fair from the beginning ukabisha. What is this now? if not dictatorship? why cracking down people who're trying to make their point PEACEFUL? People have decided they'll march but, it's going to be in a peaceful way but, the government doesn't even want that. This is big time oppression. At some point, I think the whole world need to side with the oppressed ones, the innocent citizens, who're trying to fight for their rights.

(Tanzania take note)

 

[MwanaFalsafa1]

Mwanafalsafa, I told you, this election wasn't fair from the beginning ukabisha. What is this now? if not dictatorship? why cracking down people who're trying to make their point PEACEFUL? People have decided they'll march but, it's going to be in a peaceful way but, the government doesn't even want that. This is big time oppression. At some point, I think the whole world need to side with the oppressed ones, the innocent citizens, who're trying to fight for their rights.

(Tanzania take note)

Kui my dear they recounted the votes like the people want and Ahmadinejiad is still the winner. The Ayatollah asked the people how 11 million votes could be rigged, tell me Kui mtu anaweza kuiba 11 million votes?

Hakuna oppression Kui they wanted a recount and they got a recount like they demanded. Sasa chakufanya sasa ni waende mahakamani wakatoe ushahidi kuwa kura zimeibwa. Kwa nini hawataki kwenda mahakamani wana andamana tu? Simple solution ni watoe proof ya wizi wa kura.

 

[kui]

Kui my dear they recounted the votes like the people want and Ahmadinejiad is still the winner. The Ayatollah asked the people how 11 million votes could be rigged, tell me Kui mtu anaweza kuiba 11 million votes?

Hakuna oppression Kui they wanted a recount and they got a recount like they demanded. Sasa chakufanya sasa ni waende mahakamani wakatoe ushahidi kuwa kura zimeibwa. Kwa nini hawataki kwenda mahakamani wana andamana tu? Simple solution ni watoe proof ya wizi wa kura.

What about those areas where people voted up to 140%, 110%, like over 100%, wakati there was only, I think 70% only of people who voted?? where are all these excess numbers come from??, yaani Mousavi jamani kashindwa at his own ethnic group????, oh!, come on now...

 

[kui]

I'm scared kesho wataua watu

 

[Gamba la Nyoka]

What about those areas where people voted up to 140%, 110%, like over 100%, wakati there was only, I think 70% only of people who voted?? where are all these excess numbers come from??, yaani Mousavi jamani kashindwa at his own ethnic group????, oh!, come on now...

kama Mousavi alifahamu haya yote mbona kabla ya matokeo kutangazwa rasmi yeye alishatoa Tangazo kwamba viashiria vinaashiria kwamba Kashinda, je wakati anatoa tangazo hilo hakuziona hizi kasoro? au alizimezea kwa sababu tayari alishaamini kashinda?. kibao kilipogeuka alas! ndo anajifanya kukumbuka irregularities?

 

[MwanaFalsafa1]

What about those areas where people voted up to 140%, 110%, like over 100%, wakati there was only, I think 70% only of people who voted?? where are all these excess numbers come from??, yaani Mousavi jamani kashindwa at his own ethnic group????, oh!, come on now...

Kui mbona hauulizi kwa nini Mousavi aliji tangaza mshindi hata kabla ya matokeo kutangazwa? Do you think that was a smart move? Mtu yoyote mwenye akili atatangaza ushindi kabla ya kura kuanza kuhesabiwa? That shows alikuwa kashaanza kuchochea wafuasi wake kuwa anything less then a win for me ni wizi wa kura.

Kui you can lose at your own ethnic group. Mbona Al Gore alishindwa kwenye his home state? A state which he had served for so many years? A stated he was expected to win?

Kuhusu hizo statistics ulizo toa Kui kama wanazo why don't they go to court? Kama wizi wa kura is so visible like you are implying how hard then can it be to get enough evidence to go to court?

 

[MwanaFalsafa1]

kama Mousavi alifahamu haya yote mbona kabla ya matokeo kutangazwa rasmi yeye alishatoa Tangazo kwamba viashiria vinaashiria kwamba Kashinda, je wakati anatoa tangazo hilo hakuziona hizi kasoro? au alizimezea kwa sababu tayari alishaamini kashinda?. kibao kilipogeuka alas! ndo anajifanya kukumbuka irregularities?

Point nzuri sana mkuu

 

[MwanaFalsafa1]

I'm scared kesho wataua watu

Mousavi anatakiwa kuwaambia wafuasi wake wawe calm. Hivi hauoni kama Mousavi is using this people for his own political agenda? If he really cares about the people he wanted to lead he won't put the lives of many at risk just for his sake. Kama ana ushahidi anatakiwa aende mahakamani au kama vipi atumie diplomacy na anagotiate na mpinzani wake.

 

[kui]

kama Mousavi alifahamu haya yote mbona kabla ya matokeo kutangazwa rasmi yeye alishatoa Tangazo kwamba viashiria vinaashiria kwamba Kashinda, je wakati anatoa tangazo hilo hakuziona hizi kasoro? au alizimezea kwa sababu tayari alishaamini kashinda?. kibao kilipogeuka alas! ndo anajifanya kukumbuka irregularities?

These numbers came later, but, mousavi gained so much momentum in last minutes, plus, it's odd that only few hours after counting, results were out, mind you it was hand counting!, and the revolutionary guard, actually declared that Ahmadnej., won!...
For other oposition leaders to even loose in their birth places???!!....that's like If Obama would've lost African American votes to Mccain???!!.....

 

[kui]

Mousavi anatakiwa kuwaambia wafuasi wake wawe calm. Hivi hauoni kama Mousavi is using this people for his own political agenda? If he really cares about the people he wanted to lead he won't put the lives of many at risk just for his sake. Kama ana ushahidi anatakiwa aende mahakamani au kama vipi atumie diplomacy na anagotiate na mpinzani wake.

HE IS TELLING THEM TO BE CALM, remember the wife came out the very second or first day and spoke, telling people to calm down?, ni watu wenyewe ndo wanamtetea, na si kumtetea yeye, wanatetea haki zao...

 

[MwanaFalsafa1]

These numbers came later, but, mousavi gained so much momentum in last minutes, plus, it's odd that only few hours after counting, results were out, mind you it was hand counting!, and the revolutionary guard, actually declared that Ahmadnej., won!...
For other oposition leaders to even loose in their birth places???!!....that's like If Obama would've lost African American votes to Mccain???!!.....

Kui hayo mambo ya kizamani. No one can win these day s depending on race, religion or ethnicity. The black population in America is about 12%. Hispanics are about 14% na other minorities wakiunganishwa bado the minorities are a minority. Sasa from your reasoning basi McCain angeshinda because huyo Obama mwenyewe he needed a lot of the white votes in order to win. Sasa na McCain nae alalamike why didn't the whites vote for me?

 

[kui]

Kui hayo mambo ya kizamani. No one can win these day s depending on race, religion or ethnicity. The black population in America is about 12%. Hispanics are about 14% na other minorities wakiunganishwa bado the minorities are a minority. Sasa from your reasoning basi McCain angeshinda because huyo Obama mwenyewe he needed a lot of the white votes in order to win. Sasa na McCain nae alalamike why didn't the whites vote for me?

It's not about, just winning your ethnic group. Let's look at it statistically, you tell me where did they get more than 100% voters in places where they didn't even know they'll get more than 50%

 

[kui]

I don't think they's much they can do, since that Ahmadined., is already being backed by the most powerful. Hata waende court, do you think kutakuwa na haki??

 

[MwanaFalsafa1]

HE IS TELLING THEM TO BE CALM, remember the wife came out the very second or first day and spoke, telling people to calm down?, ni watu wenyewe ndo wanamtetea, na si kumtetea yeye, wanatetea haki zao...

Sasa kumbe ni wananchi wenyewe wenye fujo? If he has told them to be calm kwa nini wasitulie waone Mousavi ana pangaje kujitetea? They can demonstrate peacefully.

 

[kui]

Sasa kumbe ni wananchi wenyewe wenye fujo? If he has told them to be calm kwa nini wasitulie waone Mousavi ana pangaje kujitetea? They can demonstrate peacefully.

...And that's what they're doing right?...but they're being told not to demonstrate at all!

 

[MwanaFalsafa1]

I don't think they's much they can do, since that Ahmadined., is already being backed by the most powerful. Hata waende court, do you think kutakuwa na haki??

Kui before complaining you have to know sheria zao. Katiba ya Iran imempa nguvu zote The Ayatollah so it is within the Ayatollah's judistriction kuamua hii kesi. Kwani Mousavi hakujua kwamba Ayatollah ana nguvu zote. Kwa nini asinge lalamikia katiba? I don't like it but ni sheria yao and I have to respect it.