"Homosexuality is not sinful"

[MaxShimba]

Acha kufungwa na imani ya kidini ndugu MaxShimba, wewe inaquote bible, je vipi kwa wale wasio iamini?
Kama Mungu ni upendo pasi anatupenda wote na kamwe hana ubaguzi, vipo vifo vingi vya kujinyonga vimeripotiwa kwa sababu watu kuogopa au kutengwa na wengine kwa kitu wasichojitakia!
When talking about Homosexuality is not Good vs Bad na ukiegemea upande mmja kama wa kwako(dini) kamwe hutopata jibu.
Ni vema ufahamu kuwa sio binadamu tu wanaonyesha hii tabia ya homosexuality, zipo aina nyingi za wanyama zaidi ya 400 zinaonyesha tabia hii(nitakuwekea uthibitisho)
I insist again and again homosexuality is not a choice and nothing can change it, is just like the colours of our skins,, u born dark skinned you will remain with it, i am just appalled is like saying being albino is wrong!
You are wrong MaxShimba!

Ye Must Be Born Again!​

 

[MaxShimba]

Gays & lesbian nao ni watu tuu na wana haki ya kuwa na uhusiano na wanaowapenda,mnakuja na dini zenu humu kulazimisha lifestyle yenu sio kila mtu anaamini huo ushuzi wenu wa dini,hamna tofauti na waliokuwa wanapinga marriage btn black & white coincidence walikuwa wanatumia hizo hizo dini to justify ushenzi wao...itachukua muda lakini at the end hawa watu watapata haki zao,babu zenu for hundreds of yrs waliuzwa kama kuku just for being BLACK

Jazba ya nini shehe

 

[MaxShimba]

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Maxi shimba kakimbia ukumbi wa dini wanajua kule ningaliwapa majibu yao maana roho mtakatifu wake anayapenda haya mambo na ushahidi nimewahi kuwaletea mara nyingi kutoka kwenye biblia ileteni hii thread kwenye ukumbi wa dini

Ashakum si matusi, hivi weye darsa umepitia weye?

 

[MaxShimba]

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination..." -Leviticus 20:13 (King James Bible)​

Homosexuality is a sexual sin. It was sexual sins, corruption, and violence which brought forth the judgment of God upon the wicked cities of Sodom and Gomorrah in the Old Testament...
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[MaxShimba]

The Bible makes no apologies. Homosexuality is Sodomy, it is wickedness in the sight of God.​

 

[MaxShimba]

"And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly...Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." -Romans 1:27,32​

I do NOT judge anyone, but the Bible will be every man's judge...

"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." -John 12:48​

 

[MaxShimba]

DON'T BE FOOLED! Homosexuality is NOT the innocent relationships that we are all being led to believe. There is a very DARK SIDE to the homosexual society.

 

[Kindimbajuu]

Acha kufungwa na imani ya kidini ndugu MaxShimba, wewe inaquote bible, je vipi kwa wale wasio iamini?
Kama Mungu ni upendo pasi anatupenda wote na kamwe hana ubaguzi, vipo vifo vingi vya kujinyonga vimeripotiwa kwa sababu watu kuogopa au kutengwa na wengine kwa kitu wasichojitakia!
When talking about Homosexuality is not Good vs Bad na ukiegemea upande mmja kama wa kwako(dini) kamwe hutopata jibu.
Ni vema ufahamu kuwa sio binadamu tu wanaonyesha hii tabia ya homosexuality, zipo aina nyingi za wanyama zaidi ya 400 zinaonyesha tabia hii(nitakuwekea uthibitisho)
I insist again and again homosexuality is not a choice and nothing can change it, is just like the colours of our skins,, u born dark skinned you will remain with it, i am just appalled is like saying being albino is wrong!
You are wrong MaxShimba!

hujui unachokizungumza. unajidanganya, huwezi kusema eti "uchunguzi wa kisayansi usiotangazwa bado". unasubiri nini kutangazwa???? hakuna dini inayo mfananisha mwanadamu na mnyama , sasa unaposema
"Ni vema ufahamu kuwa sio binadamu tu wanaonyesha hii tabia ya homosexuality, zipo aina nyingi za wanyama zaidi ya 400 zinaonyesha tabia hii(nitakuwekea uthibitisho)" ni kujidanyanya kwakuwa huo ithibitisho hautakubalika na anaye amini Mungu yeyote. usiteteee vitu ulivyolishwa shuleni ili hali nafsi yako inakinzana navyo- hutaweza kuvitetea. mnyama hufanya sex kwa ajili yakuzaaa tu wakato hao unaowatetea wanafanya kwa starehe

 

[CHESEA INGINE]

Hata hizo dini za kuabudu miti na mawe haziruhusu!

 

[Braniac]

MaxShimba & Masanilo, you too are full of crap. Yaani badala ya kujadili hoja mnaleta ushabiki. Muache utoto

 

[Marytina]

MaxShimba & Masanilo, you too are full of crap. Yaani badala ya kujadili hoja mnaleta ushabiki. Muache utoto

pitia page za mwanzoni uone walivyoainisha michango yao.Wewe hapa umejadili nini zaidi ya kutukana?

or we can say u r da advocate of homosexuality?wafwate hao tukupe link uanze kuwasiliana?

 

[Ehud]

Nasikia hata Zenj wapo wengi sana hawa waungwana wapenda t...

 

[TUKUTUKU]

Mhh....hiii nayo ni elimu mpya kwangu!!!

Is it!kweli sister hujui haya mambo!!

 

[Masanilo]

MaxShimba & Masanilo, you too are full of crap. Yaani badala ya kujadili hoja mnaleta ushabiki. Muache utoto

Utakuwa wewe ni pink Muslim Kama imam wako!

 

[Mvaa Tai]

Islam is very clear on its teachings, when a muslim believer hears/listens such a sinful messages ...we (muslims) are ought to pronounce the following words which are in arabic language:-

astaghfirullah min'kulli dhambin-wa'atuub ilaih,
a'udhubillah minashaytwaan rajim,
a'udhubillah min'dhaalika,
Sub'hanallah.

These words, may means to suffocate Moderators mind so that he can remove the thread under discussion. Masanilo, marytina and Tukutuku remember to save a back up of this very scarce truth

 

[Kimbweka]

Kweli mmeamua kubinuliwa na kupumuliwa visogoni mwenu. DUNIA INAISHA MWEZI WA T

 

[Mwelewa]

Ye Must Be Born Again!​

Like i said to provide you with an evidence of homosexuality behavior in animals and i am pretty sure this will help to change your attitude towards homosexuality,
You are too often quoting the Bible but you have better to know that, like i said in my previously comments Homosexuality is not Good vs Bad rather it is something you must learn weather is Choice or Natural,,, never make mistake this atticle is about Homosexuality in animals,, but also i would like to prove you wrong by providing the evidences of Homosexuality in human being as a natural thing and not choice!(Not now)
Follow this link. www.news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8081829.stm.

 

[Ally Kombo]

" Homosexuality is not sinful"

South African Muhsin Hendricks is an Islamic cleric and a gay man.
He runs a foundation called The Inner Circle, which helps Muslims, who are struggling to accept their sexuality. He has come to the Netherlands to spread a simple message: “It’s okay to be Muslim and gay!”
It’s a message not everyone agrees with and the reason why Mr Hendricks is no longer officially a cleric.
Muhsin Hendricks looks a little tired. He is in the Netherlands at the invitation of the Amsterdam branch of gay rights organisation COC and he’s on a punishing schedule. There is enormous public interest in the “pink imam”, as he’s been dubbed.
Sin
But every trace of fatigue vanishes as Mushin Hendricks talks about his faith and his sexuality.

“Being Muslim and being gay are both strong identities. And I think that they are both innate identities for me. So somewhere along the line I had to reconcile the two.”
This was far from easy for Muhsin Hendricks. He was born into an orthodox Muslim family in South Africa. His grandfather was a cleric in one of Cape Town’s most prominent mosques. Mushin discovered at an early age that he was different. He played with dolls rather than cars. He was seen as being feminine and was teased as a result. All this was long before he even knew there was such a thing as homosexuality.
Mushin Hendricks took comfort in his faith, in spite of the fact that many Muslims believe it offers no place to homosexual feelings. Sexual love between two men or two women is prohibited. It is seen as one of the worst possible sins, punishable in some Islamic countries by death.
Sodom and Gomorrah
But Muhsin Hendricks decided to discover for himself what the Qur’an has to say about homosexuality. He pursued his Islamic studies in Pakistan. “It didn’t seem fair for a very merciful and compassionate God to condemn me for something that I didn’t choose.”
Muhsin Hendricks drew a striking conclusion from his studies: nowhere does the Qur’an state that homosexuality is forbidden. Not even in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mushin refutes the interpretation that God destroyed the cities because men had sex with one another. He argues that the cities’ residents were punished for rape, not for consensual sex between men.
Divorce
The controversial cleric argues that there are even one or two Qur’an verses in which Allah acknowledges the existence of homosexuals. One example is in sura 24, verse 31. “It says that women have to put on extra clothing when they go out in public ... But not in front of those men who have no attraction for women. They must be the gay people,” he laughs.
Despite these discoveries, Mushin still did not feel able to acknowledge and openly express his own homosexual feelings. He married, and he and his wife had three children. Mushin’s wife was aware of his homosexuality but still tried to make the relationship work.
Mushin Hendricks’ knowledge of Islam and Arabic earned him respect in the mosques of Cape Town. But his feelings did not go away. After six years, his marriage ended in divorce and that was the moment when he officially came out of the closet.
Satanist
His mother fainted when she heard the news that her son Mushin was gay. But little by little she is beginning to understand. Some members of the family want nothing more to do with him.
Now Mushin Hendricks has met the love of his life. His partner follows another faith – Hinduism – and has not yet come out of the closet.
Mushin’s work at the mosque came to an abrupt end. His take on the relationship between homosexuality and Islam does not rhyme with the official doctrine. He has been branded a Satanist. Although he has never been physically threatened, he has to endure much abuse and criticism.
Empowerment
“Imams see me as a threat to their worldview and the way they see Islam. I don’t feel they should be threatened. It’s just another view that I would invite them to look at. My view allows queer Muslims to continue being Muslim but also to accept themselves for who they are.”
Muhsin Hendricks still sees himself as an Islamic cleric. With his foundation The Inner Circle he tries to help Muslims with their coming out. He gives empowerment workshops to make young people more self-aware. He will also give one here in the Netherlands: over sixty people have already signed up for it.
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.......... kawaida Waislaam hutoa hoja kwa "AUTHORITY" yaani AYA ! kisha unasherehesha, mwanzo mpaka mwisho hakuna hicho kitu! kama ni suala la maoni: MAX, REV MASANILO na wengineo pia wana uwezo wa kuandika kama huyo HENDRIK ! ati ORTHODOX MUSLIM !?!

 

[Masanilo]

.......... kawaida Waislaam hutoa hoja kwa "AUTHORITY" yaani AYA ! kisha unasherehesha, mwanzo mpaka mwisho hakuna hicho kitu! kama ni suala la maoni: MAX, REV MASANILO na wengineo pia wana uwezo wa kuandika kama huyo HENDRIK ! ati ORTHODOX MUSLIM !?!

Kombo

Hayo ni madai ya Imam Muhsin! Ameuliza ni sehemu ya Quran inayozuia Ushoga? Kwa meneno yake Imam Muhsin

Nowhere does the Qur’an state that homosexuality is forbidden.

Homesexuality and Islam are inseparable entities.

 

[Ally Kombo]

DON'T BE FOOLED! Homosexuality is NOT the innocent relationships that we are all being led to believe. There is a very DARK SIDE to the homosexual society.

........................... hapo bwana i yupi???:A S 13: