Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania

High frequency at 80 km/h? Is the track having double lines the answer is no! Kadanganye mamako kama Mchina alivyokudanganya!

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UPDATED LIST

a) 400kV Transmission Lines
1) 400kV Iringa-Shinyanga TL (670km)
- Iringa SS
- Dodoma SS
- Singida SS
- Shinyanga SS
2) 400kV Mbeya-Iringa TL (350km)
- Mbeya SS
- Kisada SS
- Iringa SS
3) 400kV Mbeya-Nyakanazi TL (1148km)
- Mbeya SS
- Tunduma SS
- Sumbawanga SS
- Mpanda SS
- Kigoma SS
- Nyakanazi SS
3) 400kV Nyakanaz-Kigoma TL (280km)
4) 400kV Dar es Salaam-Dodoma TL (451km)
5) 400kV Tabora-Katavi TL (132km)
6) 400 kV Somanga- Kinyerezi TL (198km)
7) 400kV Somanga-Mtwara TL (253km)
8) 400kV Rufiji-Chalinze TL (162km)
9) 400kV Chalinze-Dodoma TL (350km)
10) 400kV Dar es Salaam (K)-Arusha TL (682km)
11) 400kV Singida-Namanga(Ar) TL (414.4km)
12) 400kV Njombe-Kisada TL (170km)
13) 400kV Tanzania-Mozambique TL
14) 400kV Mtwara-Songea TL



b) 220kV Transmssion Lines
220kV Ubungo-Morogoro TL (172km)
220kV Ubungo-Morogoro TL (179km)
220kV Kidatu-Morogoro 1 TL (116km)
220kV Kidatu-Morogoro 2 TL (130km)
220kV Kidatu-Iringa TL (160km)
220kV Iringa-Mufindi TL (130km)
220kV Mufindi-Mbeya TL
220kV Bulyanhulu-Geita TL (55km)
220kV Masaka-Mwanza TL (640km)
220kV Somanga-Kinyerezi TL (198km)
220kV Ubungo-Kinyerezi TL (15km)
220kV Mlandizi-Zinga TL (15km)
220kV Somanga-Lindi TL (154km)
220kV Mtwara-Songea TL (656km)
220kV Iringa-Dodoma TL (237km)
220kV Dodoma-Singida TL (210km)
220kV Singida-Arusha TL (212km)
220kV Singida-Shinyanga TL (200km)
220kV Shinyanga-Buzwagi TL (100km)
220kV Shinyanga-Mwanza TL (140km)
220kV Mwanza-Bulyanhulu TL (129.46km)
220kV Kihansi-Iringa TL (95.23km)
220kV Kihansi-Kidatu TL (180km)
220kV Kyaka-Nyakanazi TL (232km)
220kV Geita-Nyakanazi TL (144km)
220kV Rusumo-Nyakanazi TL (98.2km)
220kV Makambako-Songea TL (250km)
- Madaba SS
- Songea SS
- Makambako SS
220kV Ibadakuli-Mwanza TL
220kV Ibadakuli-Bulyanhulu TL
220kV Ibadakuli-Buzwagi TL
220kV Kibaha-Bagamoyo TL
220kV Kinyerezi-Morogoro TL (existing line)
220kV Kinyerezi-Morogoro/Kingolwira TL (SGR 1)
- Pugu SS
- Ruvu SS
- Kidugalo SS
- Kingolwira SS
220kV Morogoro-Makutupora TL (414km, SGR 2)




c) 132kV Transmission Lines
132kV Ibadakuli-Tabora TL
132kV Mtwara-Mahumbika TL (80km)
132kV Ubungo-Mbagala TL
- Ubungo SS
- Kurasini SS
- Mbagala SS
132kV Ubungo-Gongo la Mboto TL
- Ubungo SS
- Kipawa SS
- Gongo la Mboto SS
132kV Tabora-Kigoma TL (395.1km)
132kV Kurasini-Kigamboni TL (13.95km)
132kV Ubungo-Chalinze TL (97km)
132kV Chalinze-Morogoro TL (82km)
132kV Chalinze-Hale TL (175km)
132kV Pangani Fall-Hale TL (8.5km)
132kV Hale-Tanga TL (60km)
132kV Hale-Same TL (173km)
132kV Same-Kimungi TL (102km)
132kV Kimungi-Arusha TL (70km)
132kV Mwanza-Musoma TL (210km)
132kV Shinyanga-Tabora TL (203km)
132kV Musoma-Nyamongo TL (100km)
132kV Ubungo-Kunduchi/Tegeta TL (41km)
132kV Kunduchi-Zanzibar (Marine Cable) (38km)
132kV Ubungo-Mtoni TL
132kV Ubungo-Ilala 1 TL (11km)
132kV Ubungo-Ilala 2 TL (11km)
132kV Mtukula-Bukoba TL (84km)
132kV Tabora-Katavi TL (381km)
132kV Tabora-Kigoma TL (395km)


Afu mtu anasema tuna shida ya usambazi! Na Tanzania ilivyokubwa!!!
 
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Boss, kupakia treni sio kusema treni ianze safari papo hapo..Zinaendeshwa kulingana na schedule..Saa na siku ambayo mzigo unashukishwa kwa meli ndio hu- determine mzigo unaenda na treni ya saa ngapi siku gani..Logistics are planned beforehand and the carrige beds loaded on schedule...The train-engine is hooked up to the load an hour before departure..
Reli sio Matatu eti jaza jaza tufike haraka leo lazima tutimize trip 4 bosi amesema😂😂😂
 
What you are saying without meaning to say is that in TZ, most of the cargo doesn't need to go anywhere since Dar takes like 70% of all the cargo that lands in Dar port. Which means TZ SGR wont have that much cargo going to the hinterlands, So essentially Tz is building the SGR to benefit the likes of Rwanda and DRC who will be able to use as much as 95% of the capacity of the SGR with only 5% serving the hinterlands of Tanzania.
This is what you are saying basically.... Well, let me ask you right now, how much does Rwanda + Drc import+export through Tanzania???

In 2017 - Total Imports through Dar port


You can see that DRC, Rwanda and Burundi combined accounted for less than 2 Million tonnes .. Other countries like Malawi and Zambia are the ones who actually imported more through Tanzanian ports.




Exports from Tz and through TZ to the port in 2017 interms of tonnes



You can see that DRC and Rwanda + Burundi it was less than 500,000 tonnes

Source



So that makes it about 2.5M tonnes of Transit goods going in and out of Tz ports in 2017 from the three countries most likely to benefit from the SGR ...

Now based on other country's performance of rail, we know its not all the cargo will go via rail.... Only USA has more than 49% of all its cargo going via rail transport... In Europe where they have seamless cross border connectivity, only about 29% of the cargo goes via rail... So I can tell you for free that it will take a very long time for that transit cargo to reach that 95% of the SGR capacity.


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Atleast in Kenya we have Nairobi in the hinterlands so even if cargo to Uganda or South Sudan doesn't grow, Mombas to Nairobi can provide a relief and keep half of the railway line busy.... And Speaking of Uganda
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KAMPALA, UGANDA- Uganda still remains the predominant transit destination through Mombasa Port, with a total transit traffic of 7,112,971 tons in 2017 up from 6,346,715 tons in 2016 according to officials from the Kenya Ports Authority (KPA).
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Uganda imports alone through Mombasa port takes more cargo that what Burundi+Rwanda+DRC does through Dar port..

And BTW, Kenya SGR was envisaged to carry only 40% of the cargo (most of which would be containerized) leaving trucks to carry 60% of the Cargo to from the port. SO if the Msa port was doing 40 Million tonnes, theoretically, the SGR will handle 40% of that... i.e 16 Million . And if the SGR reached its design capacity of 22 Million tonnes p.a that would mean the port of Mombasa would be doing 55 Million tonnes p.a
 

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Hio 600 km ni sawa na Mombasa to Naivasha. Tofauti ni kwamba yetu tulishamaliza zamani kujenga ila yenu hata hamjamaliza phase one Dar mpaka Moro. Bado mpo nyuma sana Geza.
 
Vichwa 56 hi kwa sababu ndio hivyo hivyo vinahitajika kwa Treni ya abiria so lazima viwe vingi tofauti na sisi kuna EMUs hazihitaji vichwa.
Treni zenu za mizigo zonatembea na vichwa 2.
Treni yetu mpaka ije ifike mwanza, kigoma, Rwanda nk tutaongeza vichwa hatuwezi nunua vingi kwa sasa wakati distance ni fupi vikawa idle, mfano huko kwenu vichwa vyote 56 vinatumika kwa sasa? I doubt hata nusu yake kama inatumika kwa sasa.
 
Hio 600 km ni sawa na Mombasa to Naivasha. Tofauti ni kwamba yetu tulishamaliza zamani kujenga ila yenu hata hamjamaliza phase one Dar mpaka Moro. Bado mpo nyuma sana Geza.
tumeanza nyuma yenu right?

Dar - Moro Project


Contract for phase one of Dar es Salaam – Morogoro 300 kilometers Standard Gauge Railways signed on 3rd of February 2017, construction works commenced on 2nd May 2, 2017. The project expected to complete on 2nd of November 2019.


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Basi kama mmeanza nyuma yetu mbona huwa mnakimbizana na sisi? Si mkubali tu sisi tuliwatangulia na tuko mbele yenu na hamtawahi kutufikia. Kisha tuache ligi kwani mshindi ashapatikana.
 
Hahahahaha kinyonge saana

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KE SGR haina capacity ya 22 mln tones per year! all basic physics principles have failed to support that claim! axle load limit at 25 tons and speed at 70 km/h! May be if u tell us ur SGR is double track!
 
some lies are being peddled above
kenyas sgr has an axle load of 35 tons
And has Capacity to carry above 22 million tonnes per year
Its Designed to china class 1 railway standards
Ethiopia class 2 is the one that has axle load of 25 tons
 
Kwenye hesabu za hayo mambo hua wanahesabu statistically ili ku standardize hesabu za port tofauti...... Ndio maana hesabu za port hua zinahesabiwa kwa TEU (Twenty-foot Equivalent Units) enev though port hua inapokea cargo zengine kwa maguniazengine kwa contena za 40ft.... etc
Yani kwa mfano kama bandari ilipiga 20 Million tonnes ama tuseme 1.2Million TEU containers , haijalishi kama port hua inapokea meli moja kwa siku yenye contena 5,000 ama bandari nyengine inapokea meli tano kwa siku ambapo kila meli iko na only 1000 containers..... Tukija kwa ku calculate perfomance ya bandari tutachukua hio total ya 1.2 Million TEU na tugawanye hadi tupate hesabu ya lisaa limoja yani

(1.2 Million / 365 days)/ 24 hours = 136 Container per hour.

Hio inamaanisha bandari hio iko na speed ya kupakua 136 containers kutoka kwa meli ndani ya lisaa limoja, kwahivyo kutokea hapo unaweza ukaanza kupiga hesabu za kila aina ..

Uwezo wako waku handle hizo contena ndani ya lisaa limoja ndo hua inatumika ku determin throughput au efficiency ya bandari




Kumbuka KPA na KRA wanataka mtindo wa contena inashukishwa kutoka meli na kupakiwa juu ya reli moja kwa moja!

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In February, March, April and May there were 172, 184, 203 and 203 trains respectively transporting goods to the ICD, according to KPA reports.
Kenya Ports Authority MD Daniel Manduku yesterday said for the past six months, they have been doing an average of seven trains per day to Nairobi.
“KPA introduced an ex-hook railage, whereby cargo destined for Nairobi via the SGR is offloaded from the ship and loaded straight to the waiting cargo trains,” Manduku said.
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Kwahivyo mwisho wa siku, unaeza kuta ule mda ambao treni ya TZ inachukua kujaa, Kenya inaweza kutumia mda huo huo kujaza treni ya kwanza na iondoke, treni ya pili nayo iondoke alafu treni ya tatu ya Kenya ikijaa ndo ya TZ ya kwanza itakua ndo imejaa sasa inataka kuondoka...



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Alafu kumbuka hapo Tz, makontena yatashukishwa kutoka kwa meli bila mpangilio wowote, yatapekekwa hadi ruvu dry port marshaling yard ndo sasa yapangwe vizuri juu ya SGR... Hapo kutakua kuna mda umepotezwa, itapatia treni za Kenya head start ya masaa kadhaa!!!!
 
as if our ports r not being expanded!

 
Walisema hio capacity ya 35 Million tonnes itahitaji future upgrade kama kuongeza passing loops, electrification na number of trains... Lakini at current design hio 22 Million ndo carrying capacity ya reli
 










MY TAKE
I see a better drainage system for SGR Tanzania than for SGR Kunyaland and SGR Ethiopia!

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