Afrika ikijitoa, ICC kuvunjwa, hawa ndiyo Wazungu bhana!

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Sasa Wazungu wanasema kama nchi za Kiafrika zikijitoa ICC, kuna hatari ya Mahakama hiyo kuvunjwa, sasa swali ni kwa nini? Je, nchi za Afrika tuseme zikijiondoa UN, Je Umoja huo utavunjwa kwa sababu tu Afrika haimo?

Kweli Afrika yetu ni mtoto wa Mzungu!


,,It is unclear if other states will follow South Africa's lead, but it is clear that states are more likely to follow South Africa's lead than Burundi, with whom many African states have tensions," Kersten wrote in an email to The Associated Press. Kenya, Namibia and Uganda are among the countries that have indicated interest in leaving, he said.

The possible departure of more countries "really questions whether or not the court is going to survive because it simply will not have the number of countries that it needs in order to be seen as legitimate and international," said Mark Ellis, ex
ecutive director of the International Bar Association.
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South Africa on Friday reversed its early support for the International Criminal Court and said it will withdraw from it, raising concerns of a possible African exodus that would undermine a human rights tribunal accused by some leaders of unfairly targeting the continent.

The announcement followed a similar decision by Burundi this week and was criticized by human rights groups that see the ICC as the best means of pursuing perpetrators of the world's worst atrocities. The treaty creating the court entered into force in 2002 after years of efforts by South Africa's post-apartheid government and others.

No country has ever withdrawn from the ICC. Now, the debate over a mass African withdrawal is expected to be a "hot issue" at an African Union summit in January 2017, said Oryem Okello, deputy foreign minister of Uganda, a critic of the court.

"We think the matter is best decided as a bloc," Okello said.

Withdrawal takes effect a year after the U.N. secretary-general is formally notified. U.N. spokesman Stephane Dujarric said the countdown for South Africa started on Wednesday. Countries have to cooperate with any ICC proceedings that begin before withdrawal takes effect.

South Africa's announcement is "devastating" for the ICC, said Mark Kersten, a Britain-based researcher.

"It is unclear if other states will follow South Africa's lead, but it is clear that states are more likely to follow South Africa's lead than Burundi, with whom many African states have tensions," Kersten wrote in an email to The Associated Press. Kenya, Namibia and Uganda are among the countries that have indicated interest in leaving, he said.

The possible departure of more countries "really questions whether or not the court is going to survive because it simply will not have the number of countries that it needs in order to be seen as legitimate and international," said Mark Ellis, executive director of the International Bar Association.

Many African countries were supportive of the court's creation partly because of the 1994 Rwandan genocide, but grew uneasy due to ICC scrutiny of national leaders. Under the Rome Statute that created the court, signatory countries have a legal obligation to arrest anyone sought by the tribunal.

The treaty is "in conflict and inconsistent with" South Africa's diplomatic immunity law, Michael Masutha, the minister of justice, told reporters Friday.

The treaty hinders South Africa's goal of promoting peace talks, which can include hosting adversaries on its soil, Masutha said. South Africa has hosted talks on Zimbabwe, Congo and Madagascar in the past.

Parliament is likely to pass the bill. The ruling African National Congress party holds a majority of seats, and its parliament office welcomed the decision, saying "the ICC has allowed non-member states to dictate and interfere with its work to suit their own imperialist agendas."

South Africa's announcement follows a dispute last year over a visit by Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir, who is wanted by the ICC for alleged war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide in Darfur. Al-Bashir was allowed to leave South Africa even though a local court ordered authorities to stop him.

Friday's announcement came ahead of a Nov. 22 Constitutional Court hearing in which the government was scheduled to appeal legal rulings against it in the al-Bashir case. Masutha said the state will drop its appeal.

South Africa's main opposition party, the Democratic Alliance, said it would go to court to declare the government's decision to leave the ICC unconstitutional. Richard Goldstone, a South African who was an international criminal prosecutor, said the move was demeaning to his countrymen.

"From a moral standpoint, it detracts from the inspiring legacy of the administration of President Nelson Mandela that so strongly supported the ICC and all of the mechanisms of international justice," Goldstone said in a statement.

On Tuesday, President Pierre Nkurunziza of Burundi signed legislation to withdraw from the ICC, which had said it would investigate political violence that followed Nkurunziza's decision last year to pursue a third term, which some have called unconstitutional.

The ICC, based in The Hague, Netherlands, had 124 member states before Burundi's move. The United States, China, Russia and Israel are among non-members.

ICC spokesman Fadi El Abdallah said international support "in Africa and beyond" is necessary for the court "to fulfil its independent and impartial mandate" to prosecute perpetrators of genocide and other crimes.

The push among some African countries to withdraw from the court began after it indicted Kenyan President Uhuru Kenyatta on charges of crimes against humanity for 2007 post-election violence in which more than 1,000 died. The ICC prosecutor said threats to witnesses, bribery and lack of cooperation by Kenya's government led to the case's collapse.

Only Africans have been charged in the six cases that are ongoing or about to begin, though preliminary ICC investigations have been opened elsewhere in the world. The African Union has said it will not compel member states to arrest a leader on behalf of the ICC.

Masutha, the South African justice minister, said Africa is strengthening its own human rights institutions.

Handing another country's leader over to the ICC would interfere in another nation's sovereignty, he said.

"One cannot think of a more plausible scenario of forced regime change by one country on another," Masutha said.


Source: New York Times
 
Japo kuwa viongozi wetu wa kiafrika wengi wao ni wapuuzi mno, madikteta wauwaji mafisadi na majizi wakubwa, Ila hii mahakama ni ya kipuuzi mno na macho yake yametazama afrika tu,
Miaka yote nilikuwa nashangaa ukoloni huu wa wazungu kuendelea kuitawala afrika kupitia mahakama hiyo,
Kama afrika mtajitoa sasa na nyinyi mbadilike
 
Bush Jr., ana sifa zote za kushtakiwa na hii ICC, ila wamechuna, yaani hata leo Afrika yote itoke tu!
 
Kabla ya kujitoa lazma tuangalie namna yakupata mbadala maana sio kujitoa alaf wakatumia mwanya huo kutuvuruga
 
Sasa Wazungu wanasema kama nchi za Kiafrika zikijitoa ICC, kuna hatari ya Mahakama hiyo kuvunjwa, sasa swali ni kwa nini? Je, nchi za Afrika tuseme zikijiondoa UN, Je Umoja huo utavunjwa kwa sababu tu Afrika haimo?

Kweli Afrika yetu ni mtoto wa Mzungu!


,,It is unclear if other states will follow South Africa's lead, but it is clear that states are more likely to follow South Africa's lead than Burundi, with whom many African states have tensions," Kersten wrote in an email to The Associated Press. Kenya, Namibia and Uganda are among the countries that have indicated interest in leaving, he said.

The possible departure of more countries "really questions whether or not the court is going to survive because it simply will not have the number of countries that it needs in order to be seen as legitimate and international," said Mark Ellis, ex
ecutive director of the International Bar Association.
====================================

South Africa on Friday reversed its early support for the International Criminal Court and said it will withdraw from it, raising concerns of a possible African exodus that would undermine a human rights tribunal accused by some leaders of unfairly targeting the continent.

The announcement followed a similar decision by Burundi this week and was criticized by human rights groups that see the ICC as the best means of pursuing perpetrators of the world's worst atrocities. The treaty creating the court entered into force in 2002 after years of efforts by South Africa's post-apartheid government and others.

No country has ever withdrawn from the ICC. Now, the debate over a mass African withdrawal is expected to be a "hot issue" at an African Union summit in January 2017, said Oryem Okello, deputy foreign minister of Uganda, a critic of the court.

"We think the matter is best decided as a bloc," Okello said.

Withdrawal takes effect a year after the U.N. secretary-general is formally notified. U.N. spokesman Stephane Dujarric said the countdown for South Africa started on Wednesday. Countries have to cooperate with any ICC proceedings that begin before withdrawal takes effect.

South Africa's announcement is "devastating" for the ICC, said Mark Kersten, a Britain-based researcher.

"It is unclear if other states will follow South Africa's lead, but it is clear that states are more likely to follow South Africa's lead than Burundi, with whom many African states have tensions," Kersten wrote in an email to The Associated Press. Kenya, Namibia and Uganda are among the countries that have indicated interest in leaving, he said.

The possible departure of more countries "really questions whether or not the court is going to survive because it simply will not have the number of countries that it needs in order to be seen as legitimate and international," said Mark Ellis, executive director of the International Bar Association.

Many African countries were supportive of the court's creation partly because of the 1994 Rwandan genocide, but grew uneasy due to ICC scrutiny of national leaders. Under the Rome Statute that created the court, signatory countries have a legal obligation to arrest anyone sought by the tribunal.

The treaty is "in conflict and inconsistent with" South Africa's diplomatic immunity law, Michael Masutha, the minister of justice, told reporters Friday.

The treaty hinders South Africa's goal of promoting peace talks, which can include hosting adversaries on its soil, Masutha said. South Africa has hosted talks on Zimbabwe, Congo and Madagascar in the past.

Parliament is likely to pass the bill. The ruling African National Congress party holds a majority of seats, and its parliament office welcomed the decision, saying "the ICC has allowed non-member states to dictate and interfere with its work to suit their own imperialist agendas."

South Africa's announcement follows a dispute last year over a visit by Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir, who is wanted by the ICC for alleged war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide in Darfur. Al-Bashir was allowed to leave South Africa even though a local court ordered authorities to stop him.

Friday's announcement came ahead of a Nov. 22 Constitutional Court hearing in which the government was scheduled to appeal legal rulings against it in the al-Bashir case. Masutha said the state will drop its appeal.

South Africa's main opposition party, the Democratic Alliance, said it would go to court to declare the government's decision to leave the ICC unconstitutional. Richard Goldstone, a South African who was an international criminal prosecutor, said the move was demeaning to his countrymen.

"From a moral standpoint, it detracts from the inspiring legacy of the administration of President Nelson Mandela that so strongly supported the ICC and all of the mechanisms of international justice," Goldstone said in a statement.

On Tuesday, President Pierre Nkurunziza of Burundi signed legislation to withdraw from the ICC, which had said it would investigate political violence that followed Nkurunziza's decision last year to pursue a third term, which some have called unconstitutional.

The ICC, based in The Hague, Netherlands, had 124 member states before Burundi's move. The United States, China, Russia and Israel are among non-members.

ICC spokesman Fadi El Abdallah said international support "in Africa and beyond" is necessary for the court "to fulfil its independent and impartial mandate" to prosecute perpetrators of genocide and other crimes.

The push among some African countries to withdraw from the court began after it indicted Kenyan President Uhuru Kenyatta on charges of crimes against humanity for 2007 post-election violence in which more than 1,000 died. The ICC prosecutor said threats to witnesses, bribery and lack of cooperation by Kenya's government led to the case's collapse.

Only Africans have been charged in the six cases that are ongoing or about to begin, though preliminary ICC investigations have been opened elsewhere in the world. The African Union has said it will not compel member states to arrest a leader on behalf of the ICC.

Masutha, the South African justice minister, said Africa is strengthening its own human rights institutions.

Handing another country's leader over to the ICC would interfere in another nation's sovereignty, he said.

"One cannot think of a more plausible scenario of forced regime change by one country on another," Masutha said.


Source: New York Times
Kama kuna mtu ambaye anashangilia ICC kuvunjwa ni mimi.Inashangaza kwamba wazungu kama akina Bush,Natanyahu,Tony Blair nk.wamevunja haki za binadamu wazi wazi lakini hawajawahi kufikishwa ICC!Under the carpet wanadamu wanadhalilishwa Ulaya na "system" bila hata aibu.Wale wanaojua watanielewa.Israel haki za Wapalestina zinavunjwa wazi wazi,lakini hakuna Waziri mkuu hata mmoja wa Israel ambaye ameshawahi kufikishwa ICC.Tutaendeleaje na unafiki huu?Kwa watawala wa nchi za Magharibi maisha ya mwanadamu si kitu kabisa.Eti leo wanaunda ICC kutetea watu wanao-onewa.Watu gani?
Suluhisho ni nchi za Kiafrika kuachana na institution hii yenye agenda mbaya za siri.Nchi za kiafrika zi-strenghen vyombo vyao vya kutoa haki ili haki stahiki iweze kupatikana kwa watu wao.Lakini kwa nini tujione kwamba sisi hatuwezi?Shame on us.Kama ni lazima nchi za Kiafrika ziunde an African Court of Appeal.Tuachane na wanafiki hawa,they have nothing to offer us.After all they are morally bankrupt.Viva Africa.
 
Kama kuna mtu ambaye anashangilia ICC kuvunjwa ni mimi.Inashangaza kwamba wazungu kama akina Bush,Natanyahu,Tony Blair nk.wamevunja haki za binadamu wazi wazi lakini hawajawahi kufikishwa ICC!Under the carpet wanadamu wanadhalilishwa Ulaya na "system" bila hata aibu.Wale wanaojua watanielewa.Israel haki za Wapalestina zinavunjwa wazi wazi,lakini hakuna Waziri mkuu hata mmoja wa Israel ambaye ameshawahi kufikishwa ICC.Tutaendeleaje na unafiki huu?Kwa watawala wa nchi za Magharibi maisha ya mwanadamu si kitu kabisa.Eti leo wanaunda ICC kutetea watu wanao-onewa.Watu gani?
Suluhisho ni nchi za Kiafrika kuachana na institution hii yenye agenda mbaya za siri.Nchi za kiafrika zi-strenghen vyombo vyao vya kutoa haki ili haki stahiki iweze kupatikana kwa watu wao.Lakini kwa nini tujione kwamba sisi hatuwezi?Shame on us.Kama ni lazima nchi za Kiafrika ziunde an African Court of Appeal.Tuachane na wanafiki hawa,they have nothing to offer us.After all they are morally bankrupt.Viva Africa.
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ICC is not perfect lakini wamejaribu kuwafanya viongozi wa Africa kujiuliza mara mbili kufanya uovu wao, ngoja mjitoe tuu viongozi mungu mtu wa Africa waanze kukanyaga vichwa kwa mkono wa chuma bila woga and AU is fukcccing useless bora ife tuu
 
ICC is not perfect lakini wamejaribu kuwafanya viongozi wa Africa kujiuliza mara mbili kufanya uovu wao, ngoja mjitoe tuu viongozi mungu mtu wa Africa waanze kukanyaga vichwa kwa mkono wa chuma bila woga and AU is fukcccing useless bora ife tuu


Nitajie uovu uliopungua tangu mwaka 2002 ambapo ICC ilianzishwa! Tuanzie Nigeria Boko Haram, tuje Afrika ya Kati Wakristo na Waislamu kuchinjana kama wanyama, twende Niger mpka hivi juzi Sudani Kusini sitaki kugusia Somalia au sijui Kongo na Uganda , sasa nitajie huo uovu uliopunguzwa na uwepo wa ICC kama haujaongezeka?
 
ICC is not perfect lakini wamejaribu kuwafanya viongozi wa Africa kujiuliza mara mbili kufanya uovu wao, ngoja mjitoe tuu viongozi mungu mtu wa Africa waanze kukanyaga vichwa kwa mkono wa chuma bila woga and AU is fukcccing useless bora ife tuu
Hivi kwa nini sisi Waafrika tuna tabia ya kujiona kwamba hatuwezi Wazungu ndio wanaoweza? Shame on us. Kwanza laiti tungejua what the ICC really means tusingeing'ang'ania.The ICC is not an institution for our interest.It has a long term New World Order agenda!Ni daraja la barabara ya kuelekea kwenye Serikali moja ya dunia.Sasa tunang'ang'ania kitu ambacho baadae kitatumika for total world domination by the Illuminati!? Kweli ujinga
ni mbaya sana.
 
Hivi kwa nini sisi Waafrika tuna tabia ya kujiona kwamba hatuwezi Wazungu ndio wanaoweza? Kwanza laiti tungejua what the ICC really means tusingeing'ang'ania.The ICC is not an institution for our interest.It has a long term New World Order agenda!Ni daraja la barabara ya kuelekea kwenye Serikali moja ya dunia.Sasa tunang'ang'ania kitu ambacho baadae kitatumika kutu-enslave!? Kweli ujinga
ni mbaya sana.
Sio kujiona hatuwezi is reality hatuwezi na ndio maana hakuna kitu kimefanyika na mfano ni wewe mwenyewe na wenzako humu wanaolia racism or some BS New world order conspiracy huku tatizo ni justice for Africans and pls nobody wants to enslave Africans kupitia ICC, more than 50 yrs tangu AU ianze mbona hawakuanzisha hiyo mahakama? vitu vidogo kama communications satellite wameshindwa kusaidiana as a continent still wanatumia gateway za mataifa ya nje huku wakilipa millions bado unaona Africans wana akili
 
ICC is not perfect lakini wamejaribu kuwafanya viongozi wa Africa kujiuliza mara mbili kufanya uovu wao, ngoja mjitoe tuu viongozi mungu mtu wa Africa waanze kukanyaga vichwa kwa mkono wa chuma bila woga and AU is fukcccing useless bora ife tuu
Lengo kuu la icc ni kulinda raia wa africa ambao wengi wetu ni wajinga na hatujui haki zetu ndo mana unaona Viongozi wa Africa wapo mstari wa mbele kujitoa. Dictator wa africa anaweza kupiga na kuuwa waandamanaji bila kuchukuliwa hatua yoyote. Kwa wazungu hii haiwezi kutokea hata siku moja. Ndo mana tukaletewa icc ili angalau Viongozi wetu wawe na uoga lakini cha ajabu sisi wenyewe waafrica ndo tunaikataa. Eti kisa icc haikamati wazungu. HIVI MWAFRICA TANGU LINI AKAJALI HAKI ZA WAZUNGU? ????
 
Lengo kuu la icc ni kulinda raia wa africa ambao wengi wetu ni wajinga na hatujui haki zetu ndo mana unaona Viongozi wa Africa wapo mstari wa mbele kujitoa. Dictator wa africa anaweza kupiga na kuuwa waandamanaji bila kuchukuliwa hatua yoyote. Kwa wazungu hii haiwezi kutokea hata siku moja. Ndo mana tukaletewa icc ili angalau Viongozi wetu wawe na uoga lakini cha ajabu sisi wenyewe waafrica ndo tunaikataa. Eti kisa icc haikamati wazungu. HIVI MWAFRICA TANGU LINI AKAJALI HAKI ZA WAZUNGU? ????
Unapo sema kuwa ICC ina lengo kuu la kulinda Raia wa Africa...!!!

Je, wanaokufa Palestinian, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen nk.
Watalindwa na Mahakama ipi ikiwa UN haina Kichwa wala meno wala Miguu.

Na hata hicho chombo Chao cha Propaganda wanacho kiita Haki za kibinadamu kipo kimya utazani haakipo kwenye Dunia hii
 
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