Wazee wa EAC Wanatia huruma...

zomba said:
Hawa wazee waliteswa na Nyerere toka ujana wao, inasemekana fedha zilikuja na Malkia wa Uingereza alisaidia walipwe (wakati wa Nyerere) zikatiwa ndani. Semeni.
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Huyu Nyenyere kafanya dhulma kubwa sana ktk nchi hii....Kawafanya wabongo vilaza, katutia umasikini....
 
Nyerere alikuwa hajui "Justice delayed is justice denied"?
 
zomba said:
Naona unahaha na hujui ulisemalo, soma hii document ya bunge la Kenya uelewe yaliojiri:

NATIONAL ASSEMBLY
OFFICIAL REPORT
Wednesday, 5th August, 2009
The House met at 2.30 p.m.
[The Temporary Deputy Speaker
(Mr. Imanyara) in the Chair]

Question No.126
TERMINAL DUES FOR KENYAN EMPLOYEES OF
DEFUNCT EAC

Mr. Yakub asked the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister
for Finance:-
(a) what became of the country’s entitlement in the defunct East
African Community (EAC) as well as the terminal dues of the Kenyan
employees in the Community;
(b) how much the British Government paid as terminal benefits for
Kenyans working for the defunct Community;
(c) who the recipients are, amount paid and dates of payment to all
former employees of the Corporations of the defunct EAC, among them
the East African Harbours and Cargo Handling Services, the East African
External Communications, the East African General Funds Services, the
East African Customs, the East Africa Railways, the East African
Airways, the East African Harbour and the East African Post and
Telecommunications; and,
(d) what medium is used to communicate to all the former
employees or their beneficiaries about the payment of their terminal dues.

The Assistant Minister, Office of the Deputy Prime Minister and Ministry of
Local Government (Mr. Nguyai): Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, on behalf of the
Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance, I beg to reply.
(a) Kenya’s entitlement in the defunct EAC is provided for in the East African
Community Mediation Agreement Act, Cap.4 of the Laws of Kenya. The Act stipulated
how the assets and liabilities of EAC were to be divided between the three countries, and
how the employees of EAC were to be compensated for their service. Kenyan officers
who served under the Community were given two options with regard to their terminal
dues, namely:-
(i) To retire from the EAC on the re-organization or abolition of service and be
paid their benefits immediately; or,
(ii) To join the Kenyan Government and State corporations and be paid their
benefits on retirement at normal retirement age of 55 years.
Officers who opted to retire immediately upon the dissolution of EAC were paid
their retirement benefits on 30th June, 1977. Those who took the second option continue
to be paid their retirement benefits in full from the date they joined the EAC to the date of
retirement from the Kenyan Government or State corporations. In addition, some
members who had contributed to the East African Provident Fund and the National Social
Security Fund are paid as they leave service based on their contribution records, which
are extracted from the Arusha, EAC Registry for the purpose.
(b) The British Government paid £21,841,427 as terminal benefits for Kenyans
who worked in the defunct EAC. I assure this House that the money was paid and
continuous to be paid to the deserving former employees of EAC.
The money was paid as per agreed division to the three Governments of Kenya,
Uganda and Tanzania. The Government of Kenya received 42 per cent of the money,
which is held in a deposit account at the Treasury, entitled the East African Community

Fund. The balance in the Fund as at 31st May, 2009, was Kshs488,931,501.65.
​
Source: <cite>Parliament of The Republic Of Kenya


Kama hiyo haitoshi, soma na hii:

</cite>EAC Pension Funds were partly contributed to by the workers, deducted at source and remitted to the British Crown Agents for management, including prudent investment.

When the Bank of Tanzania (BoT) received the moneys from the Crown Agents in FY-1986/87, the Govt. appropriated them.

Source: http://www.businesstimes.co.tz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1533:too-true-eac-pensions-leave-bad-taste-in-the-mouth-&catid=37:column&Itemid=60

Nini usichokielewa hapo? Huwa sikisii!<cite></cite>
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Asante kwa kuthibitisha kuwa Nyerere ndie aliepokea "fedha toka kwa malkia" ila akawadhulumu wastaafu!
 
Ndallo said:
Hivi hii laana Kikwete ataiweka wapi!
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Halafu mbona Msafiri ana wazulumu waislamu wenzake!? Kina Ritz hawaioni hii laana?! Au hawa wanao piga rakaa hapa hasa huyo mzee mwenye kombati analiwakilisha kanisa?!

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zomba said:
Nyerere alikuwa hajui "Justice delayed is justice denied"?
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Kwa mujibu wa taarifa uliyoileta wewe mwenyewe hapa ukumbini fedha zililetwa FY 1986/1987, rais wa wakati huo alikuwa Nyerere? Asante kwa kuthibitisha kwa vitendo uzoba wako!
 
Zomba is a chronic hater, defending himself on the Mwalimu Nyerere decisions...actuall he hates Nyerere personally, and this will burn Zomba forever.
 
zomba said:
Whom to blame? when did those people lost their jobs? if the answer is, during Nyerere's dictatorship, why did he not settle with them? why? why? why?

Who is to blame? me? you? Kikwete? themselves? the courts? Mkapa? Mwinyi?

Think!
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Mkuu kama huo ndio ushauri mnaompatia mh Rais mtakuwa mnapotosha. Serikali ni taasisi sio mtu. Taasisi hiyo ipo siku zote japo viongozi wake wanapita. Hoja ya msingi hapa ni uhalalivwa malipo kwa wazee wa EAC. Kama ni halali yao kulipwa, serikali inawajibika kuwalipa. Kujificha nyuma ya kivuli cha nyerere ni kukwepa wajibu. Tukifuata mtiririko wa hoja yako, basi tuseme kwamba kikwete hawajibiki kwa mfano kujenga bara bara eti kisa nyerere hakujenga. If that is the case, why is he the president.
 
Ina maana pesa ililetwa wakaizungusha kwenye deal zao na account zao duu.....
 
zomba said:
Naona unahaha na hujui ulisemalo, soma hii document ya bunge la Kenya uelewe yaliojiri:

NATIONAL ASSEMBLY
OFFICIAL REPORT
Wednesday, 5th August, 2009
The House met at 2.30 p.m.
[The Temporary Deputy Speaker
(Mr. Imanyara) in the Chair]

Question No.126
TERMINAL DUES FOR KENYAN EMPLOYEES OF
DEFUNCT EAC

Mr. Yakub asked the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister
for Finance:-
(a) what became of the country’s entitlement in the defunct East
African Community (EAC) as well as the terminal dues of the Kenyan
employees in the Community;
(b) how much the British Government paid as terminal benefits for
Kenyans working for the defunct Community;
(c) who the recipients are, amount paid and dates of payment to all
former employees of the Corporations of the defunct EAC, among them
the East African Harbours and Cargo Handling Services, the East African
External Communications, the East African General Funds Services, the
East African Customs, the East Africa Railways, the East African
Airways, the East African Harbour and the East African Post and
Telecommunications; and,
(d) what medium is used to communicate to all the former
employees or their beneficiaries about the payment of their terminal dues.

The Assistant Minister, Office of the Deputy Prime Minister and Ministry of
Local Government (Mr. Nguyai): Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, on behalf of the
Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance, I beg to reply.
(a) Kenya’s entitlement in the defunct EAC is provided for in the East African
Community Mediation Agreement Act, Cap.4 of the Laws of Kenya. The Act stipulated
how the assets and liabilities of EAC were to be divided between the three countries, and
how the employees of EAC were to be compensated for their service. Kenyan officers
who served under the Community were given two options with regard to their terminal
dues, namely:-
(i) To retire from the EAC on the re-organization or abolition of service and be
paid their benefits immediately; or,
(ii) To join the Kenyan Government and State corporations and be paid their
benefits on retirement at normal retirement age of 55 years.
Officers who opted to retire immediately upon the dissolution of EAC were paid
their retirement benefits on 30th June, 1977. Those who took the second option continue
to be paid their retirement benefits in full from the date they joined the EAC to the date of
retirement from the Kenyan Government or State corporations. In addition, some
members who had contributed to the East African Provident Fund and the National Social
Security Fund are paid as they leave service based on their contribution records, which
are extracted from the Arusha, EAC Registry for the purpose.
(b) The British Government paid £21,841,427 as terminal benefits for Kenyans
who worked in the defunct EAC. I assure this House that the money was paid and
continuous to be paid to the deserving former employees of EAC.
The money was paid as per agreed division to the three Governments of Kenya,
Uganda and Tanzania. The Government of Kenya received 42 per cent of the money,
which is held in a deposit account at the Treasury, entitled the East African Community

Fund. The balance in the Fund as at 31st May, 2009, was Kshs488,931,501.65.
​
Source: <cite>Parliament of The Republic Of Kenya


Kama hiyo haitoshi, soma na hii:

</cite>EAC Pension Funds were partly contributed to by the workers, deducted at source and remitted to the British Crown Agents for management, including prudent investment.

When the Bank of Tanzania (BoT) received the moneys from the Crown Agents in FY-1986/87, the Govt. appropriated them.

Source:http://www.businesstimes.co.tz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1533:too-true-eac-pensions-leave-bad-taste-in-the-mouth-&catid=37:column&Itemid=60

Nini usichokielewa hapo? Huwa sikisii!<cite></cite>
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Sasa kama pesa zilipokelewa na BOT 1986/87 Nyerere anahusikaje? je ni yeye alikua rais kipindi hicho?
 
zomba said:
Hawa wazee waliteswa na Nyerere toka ujana wao, inasemekana fedha zilikuja na Malkia wa Uingereza alisaidia walipwe (wakati wa Nyerere) zikatiwa ndani. Semeni.
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Tena basi niliona malipo ambayo yalipaswa kulipwa kwa hawa wazee mtu mmoja alionesha akulipwa 80,000 pounds, lakini !! MMMhhhhh! tusiseme sana ! kweli Nyerere sijui pesa ile yote aliipeleka wapi! yaani niliacha mdomo wazi ! jamani dhulma hazitupeleki kokote hizi ardhi itatubana siku ya kufa!
 
Mtoboasiri said:
Fedha za wastaafu wa EAC zilipwe na malkia! Kama hujui jambo si unauliza tu? EAC ilikuwa na pension fund yake, unajua mgawanyo wa mali na madeni ya jumuiya hiyo ulifanyika lini?
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Nina wasiwasi hujui unalolisema ! kama sio Malkia kumbe nani? hatutaki kusema mengi
 
andate said:
Sasa kama pesa zilipokelewa na BOT 1986/87 Nyerere anahusikaje? je ni yeye alikua rais kipindi hicho?
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Naona hujaelewa unachokisoma sawasawa, soma ii. Fata na links nilizoweka, utapata picha pana.
 
zomba said:
Naona unahaha na hujui ulisemalo, soma hii document ya bunge la Kenya uelewe yaliojiri:

NATIONAL ASSEMBLY
OFFICIAL REPORT
Wednesday, 5th August, 2009
The House met at 2.30 p.m.
[The Temporary Deputy Speaker
(Mr. Imanyara) in the Chair]

Question No.126
TERMINAL DUES FOR KENYAN EMPLOYEES OF
DEFUNCT EAC

Mr. Yakub asked the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister
for Finance:-
(a) what became of the country’s entitlement in the defunct East
African Community (EAC) as well as the terminal dues of the Kenyan
employees in the Community;
(b) how much the British Government paid as terminal benefits for
Kenyans working for the defunct Community;
(c) who the recipients are, amount paid and dates of payment to all
former employees of the Corporations of the defunct EAC, among them
the East African Harbours and Cargo Handling Services, the East African
External Communications, the East African General Funds Services, the
East African Customs, the East Africa Railways, the East African
Airways, the East African Harbour and the East African Post and
Telecommunications; and,
(d) what medium is used to communicate to all the former
employees or their beneficiaries about the payment of their terminal dues.

The Assistant Minister, Office of the Deputy Prime Minister and Ministry of
Local Government (Mr. Nguyai): Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, on behalf of the
Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Finance, I beg to reply.
(a) Kenya’s entitlement in the defunct EAC is provided for in the East African
Community Mediation Agreement Act, Cap.4 of the Laws of Kenya. The Act stipulated
how the assets and liabilities of EAC were to be divided between the three countries, and
how the employees of EAC were to be compensated for their service. Kenyan officers
who served under the Community were given two options with regard to their terminal
dues, namely:-
(i) To retire from the EAC on the re-organization or abolition of service and be
paid their benefits immediately; or,
(ii) To join the Kenyan Government and State corporations and be paid their
benefits on retirement at normal retirement age of 55 years.
Officers who opted to retire immediately upon the dissolution of EAC were paid
their retirement benefits on 30th June, 1977. Those who took the second option continue
to be paid their retirement benefits in full from the date they joined the EAC to the date of
retirement from the Kenyan Government or State corporations. In addition, some
members who had contributed to the East African Provident Fund and the National Social
Security Fund are paid as they leave service based on their contribution records, which
are extracted from the Arusha, EAC Registry for the purpose.
(b) The British Government paid £21,841,427 as terminal benefits for Kenyans
who worked in the defunct EAC. I assure this House that the money was paid and
continuous to be paid to the deserving former employees of EAC.
The money was paid as per agreed division to the three Governments of Kenya,
Uganda and Tanzania. The Government of Kenya received 42 per cent of the money,
which is held in a deposit account at the Treasury, entitled the East African Community

Fund. The balance in the Fund as at 31st May, 2009, was Kshs488,931,501.65.
​
Source: <cite>Parliament of The Republic Of Kenya


Kama hiyo haitoshi, soma na hii:

</cite>EAC Pension Funds were partly contributed to by the workers, deducted at source and remitted to the British Crown Agents for management, including prudent investment.

When the Bank of Tanzania (BoT) received the moneys from the Crown Agents in FY-1986/87, the Govt. appropriated them.

Source:http://www.businesstimes.co.tz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1533:too-true-eac-pensions-leave-bad-taste-in-the-mouth-&catid=37:column&Itemid=60

Nini usichokielewa hapo? Huwa sikisii!<cite></cite>
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Mkuu Zomba sasa kama hapo pa Blue ndo uhalisia then mbona umekomaa kuwa Nyerere ndo angelipa..........and you persist that the followers are not responsible while they are of the same Govt????


What is not happening in the way you argue today..........???????

Hii serikali na iwalipe wazee wa watu jamani hata dhuluma pia ina wakati wake si wakati wa pumzi za mwisho kama hawa wazee wa watu...
 
OLESAIDIMU said:
Mkuu Zomba sasa kama hapo pa Blue ndo uhalisia then mbona umekomaa kuwa Nyerere ndo angelipa..........and you persist that the followers are not responsible while they are of the same Govt????


What is not happening in the way you argue today..........???????

Hii serikali na iwalipe wazee wa watu jamani hata dhuluma pia ina wakati wake si wakati wa pumzi za mwisho kama hawa wazee wa watu...
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Soma kifungu cha ii huko juu.

Hapo unaongelea topic mbili tofauti.

1) Unaongelea malipo ya kuachishwa kazi (terminal benefits) wafanyakazi wa EAC ilipovunjika, wenzetu wamelipwa toka 1977, Nyerere alikuwa wapi?

b) Unaongelea issue ya pension fund ambayo ilikuwa ni majibu kwa mmoja aliye raise hiyo issue, na hiyo hutolewa kila mwaka kama sheria ya pension ilivyo, kama sheria yao ilikuwa mfanya kazi afike miaka 55 (mwaka 1986/87) hawezi kulipwa akiwa na miaka 46 mwaka 77, lakini hiyo haimzuii kulipwa terminal benefits zake mwaka 1977 kama wenzake wa Kenya.

Sijui umenielewa au bado hujaelewa? hili ni jibu pia kwa andate na Mtoboasiri
 
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zomba said:
Soma kifungu cha ii huko juu.

Hapo unaongelea topic mbili tofauti.

1) Unaongelea malipo ya kuachishwa kazi (terminal benefits) wafanyakazi wa EAC ilipovunjika, wenzetu wamelipwa toka 1977, Nyerere alikuwa wapi?

b) Unaongelea issue ya pension fund ambayo ilikuwa ni majibu kwa mmoja aliye raise hiyo issue, na hiyo hutolewa kila mwaka kama sheria ya pension ilivyo, kama sheria yao ilikuwa mfanya kazi afike miaka 55 (mwaka 1986/87) hawezi kulipwa akiwa na miaka 46 mwaka 77, lakini hiyo haimzuii kulipwa terminal benefits zake mwaka 1977 kama wenzake wa Kenya.

Sijui umenielewa au bado hujaelewa? hili ni jibu pia kwa andate na Mtoboasiri
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Clarific; so mustakabali wao so to speak kafa nao Nyerere????
 
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