Dr Slaa: Nionyesheni hati ya muungano ili nami niutambue muungano!

Sometimes watu wasipende kujipatia umaarufu kwa vitu vidogo. Siku zote alikuwa wapi asiyaseme haya? Mbona miaka yote ameshiriki sherehe za muungano? Huyu mzee naona anazeeka vibaya. Ni kiherehere gani kilimpeleka Uzini kama hautambui Muungano.

Dr Slaa kwa hili inabidi awaombe radhi viongozi wote wa CDM wanaotokea Visiwani.
 
Muungano sio kosa, tatizo muungano huu unalindwa na ccm kwa nguvu zote! Na ndo maana wanajaribu kuibeba zanzibar lakin haibebeki!
 
Rejao said:
Sometimes watu wasipende kujipatia umaarufu kwa vitu vidogo. Siku zote alikuwa wapi asiyaseme haya? Mbona miaka yote ameshiriki sherehe za muungano? Huyu mzee naona anazeeka vibaya. Ni kiherehere gani kilimpeleka Uzini kama hautambui Muungano.

Dr Slaa kwa hili inabidi awaombe radhi viongozi wote wa CDM wanaotokea Visiwani.
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Huyu mzee ni janga la kitaifa aisee,juzi eti alitoa siku saba kwa rais,sijui zimebaki ngapi sasa,tunasubiri kuona atakachofanya.....!
 
Kiby said:
Hati ya muungano ni udongo uliyochanganywa sufuriani.
Nchi yetu inaitwa Danganyika.
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Udongo wenyewe ulichanganywa na nyerere peke yake. Kwenye picha ya kuchanganya udongo sijawahi kumuona karume anashiriki labda kama vitabu tulivosoma walikosea kuprint picha
 
zumbemkuu said:
ooh! so hii ndoa inawezekana ni batili?
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Kwani wewe umejua leo? LKN pia Haku muungano wa nchi mbili huru wenye serikali 2 alafu unalindwa kwa nguvu ya dola na serikali kama yai!

Namshahuri Dr. asirudie tena kutamka hili maana watatuharibia. Asubiri tukichukua nchi 2015 tufanye maamzi mara moja.
 
Rejao said:
Sometimes watu wasipende kujipatia umaarufu kwa vitu vidogo. Siku zote alikuwa wapi asiyaseme haya? Mbona miaka yote ameshiriki sherehe za muungano? Huyu mzee naona anazeeka vibaya. Ni kiherehere gani kilimpeleka Uzini kama hautambui Muungano.

Dr Slaa kwa hili inabidi awaombe radhi viongozi wote wa CDM wanaotokea Visiwani.
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kwani visiwani ndo wana upenda muungano? Alienda zanzibar si ni haki yake kama raia? Awaombe radhi kwa lipi? Kwa kusema ukweli, hawa ndo viongozi tunaowataka siku hizi, si wanafiki. Nenda zanzibar kaseme habari za muungano kama watakuelewa!
 
Rejao said:
Sometimes watu wasipende kujipatia umaarufu kwa vitu vidogo. Siku zote alikuwa wapi asiyaseme haya? Mbona miaka yote ameshiriki sherehe za muungano? Huyu mzee naona anazeeka vibaya. Ni kiherehere gani kilimpeleka Uzini kama hautambui Muungano.

Dr Slaa kwa hili inabidi awaombe radhi viongozi wote wa CDM wanaotokea Visiwani.
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Alikwenda Uzini kwa sababu katiba ya Jamhuri ya Muungano inamruhusu.
 
Artical of Union agreement ipo sii kwamba haipo na ushahidi upo hapa ukuruasa wa tatu utamwona Nyerere na Karume wakiweka saini na pia siku ya kukabidhiana.. Kwa hiyo hati ipo tuombe kuonyeshwa na tuisome wote tujue yaliyomo na yameongezwa mangapi kwa sababu gani..
 
Dourado aliiona hati ya muungano.
Tusiwe doubting Thomases.
Wolfgang Dourado: A man who did not hesitate to call a spade

Wednesday, 25 April 2012 21:53

By Bernard Mapalala
The Citizen Correspondent
Dar es Salaam. In May, 2007, I had the privilege of meeting Wolfgang Dourado for the first time, much as I had known him by reputation for quite a long period. Dourado had been an outspoken critic of the Union while serving as Zanzibar Attorney General under Zanzibar leader Sheikh Abeid Amani Karume, then officially known in both Zanzibar and on the Mainland as simply the Vice-President of Tanzania or chairman of the Zanzibar Revolutionary Council.

I arrived at his `White House' residence in Stone Town, Zanzibar about an hour before noon. I rang the bell, and Old Dourado, peeping from a window upstairs, after satisfying himself that I was the visitor he had been waiting for, came downstairs and personally opened the door.

I had seen pictures of Dourado constantly in the press in his heyday, but now both his face and gait clearly indicated that years had taken their toll on his body. His speech was both slow and stammering, and at times inaudible. Having flown all the way from Dar es Salaam for this landmark interview, I had finally chanced to meet this fearless man, who, according to his testimony, had people in Zanzibar saying "huyu kweli dume," due to the fact that after the Zanzibar Revolution, most Zanzibaris of Goan origin had fled to other countries, yet he chose to serve as attorney general under Sheikh Karume, a man who brooked no opposing views. Wolfgang Joseph Dourado was born in Zanzibar on September 20, 1929.

Called to the bar
From 1939 to 1946, he studied at St Joseph's Convent School in Zanzibar. In the mid 50s, he studied at Middle Temple, London, and was called to the Bar in February, 1957. He told me that while studying at Middle Temple, he met first Botswana President Seretse Khama, with whom they shared a room. In 1958, he married Yvonne Agnes.

Again in 1962, he went back to studies at the London School of Economics, where he studied economics, politics and philosophy.Dourado had joined the colonial Zanzibar civil service in 1947 as a clerk, rising to the position of permanent secretary in the ministry of Home and Legal affairs in 1963, just a year before the revolution.

As we sat in his modest sitting room in the presence of his wife, Yvonne, he told me how his quick tempered father, Domingo Constancio Dourado, had told young Wolf that the civil service was not for him as only yes-men could survive. However, Dourado chose to do the opposite.

As we talked, he recounted how he met Sheikh Karume for the first time, plus his opinion of the legendary Zanzibar leader, Dourado said: "One thing, he was always neatly dressed, starch and all that."
He added: "For example, he came to my office during the colonial days, his eyes were brown...very brown, and was putting on a very neat vest. On the paper he was holding was written a case number related to a widow.

Karume asked: `Why are you delaying dealing with this case?' I (Dourado) answered: It is not me who is causing the delay. There are several people who handle a particular case."
Dourado then sent for the clerk who was dealing with the matter, who informed him that the widow had not been paid yet, although the accounts were all ready, and they were only waiting to pay.
Dourado recalled telling the clerk: "You make this payment right now in front of Mzee Karume, otherwise you go home and never come back."

The payment was made. So Karume went out, then came back holding some money. He said: "You have helped us, and we must help you also."
Dourado responded, "People are saying that we are corrupt, and this is corruption!" Karume said: "Now I tell you this: I trust you. When the day comes for me to lead the government, I will make you the Attorney General."

That was before the Revolution. And of course, after the Revolution he called me, and from that time I was his Attorney General, Dourado recalled.
I asked Dourado of his assessment of Abeid Karume as a leader. He said that Karume had good ideas, as he wanted equality among the people. "You now can't do it the way he was doing, but he has done a lot of good. The Michenzani housing is a good thing, except that he flooded Stone Town with people. There are too many people in Stone Town," he said.

Responding to a question on his views on Amani Karume, who was president of Zanzibar at that time, he said President Amani Karume was a very gentle person, and the flogging by Mzee Karume that they had together, had brought them together. "Whenever we meet we embrace each other," he said.

The story, according to Dourado, goes like this: He was very close to Karume. However, while still serving as attorney general, he opposed forced marriages in which members of Zanzibar's ruling elite married girls of Arab descent by force in 1970.

"When I opposed forced marriages, I told Ali Karume (Amani`s brother) `Don't marry anyone by force. It (the marriage) will break up.' So he told his father: `Dourado has told me this, and he is an intelligent person.'` And Amani told his father: `Why implicate Mzee Dourado in this matter? He has nothing to do with it. ` So he was also thrown out of the house.

Sent to prison
According to Dourado, he and the two Karume sons were flogged by Sheikh Karume, and he was sent to prison for a day. "Then Karume came to prison to see me. I asked him: `Mzee, umefanya haya?' (Old man, why did you do this?) He answered: "Even though we do not agree with you on this matter, we shall still support you to continue holding the position of Attorney General. So you can go back to work now."
Knowing that he had been a staunch opponent of the Union, I wanted to record his stance on the matter, only to find out that his stance had evolved over the years. I had specifically asked him to comment on both its legality and legitimacy.

His response: "As for the legitimacy (of the Union), since it has succeeded, well, there it is! The Sultan has been thrown out. By and large the people are happy about it." He added: "Since it has come into existence, now it is 40 years. It is legitimate. There are people on both sides. Some criticize it, but not openly."

I also asked him whether opponents of the Union would succeed at some point, Dourado said: "No! No! Too much time has passed. They will not succeed."
At that time, certain individuals from Zanzibar had gone to court seeking to compel the Union government to show the Articles of the Union to the public. Dourado said the Government should produce those documents, although he did not know who was having them.
Due to the fact that he had been around when the Union came into existence, I inquired as to whether he had seen the Articles. replied, "Oh yeah! I had seen them. Where they are now, I don't know."

Treason trial
I was also keen to know his feelings about the conduct of the Zanzibar treason trial that took place following Karume's assassination in 1972, during which he served both as prosecutor and defence lawyer. Was this not a flawed system?

He replied: "Of course it was flawed, and it was not my choice. Karume had called me before the Revolutionary Council, and he said: `Hii ma-lawyer, ma-lawyer hatutaki.' (We don't want these lawyers).
"We don't want the system of private lawyers defending individuals, because poor people can't afford lawyers. I told him he would face a lot of problems, and Mwalimu would not prefer such a legal system. He responded: `Leave Mwalimu in my hands. I will handle him.'

"So it was decided that there was no private practice in defence matters. Some of the members of the Revolutionary Council who opposed me on this issue were later to appear in the treason trial as accused persons.
"When the trial was over, I reminded them that they had been opposing the commissioning of private lawyers and they were now experiencing the result of their stance."

On whether the accused had got justice, given the circumstances, the former Zanzibar AG said: "Not one was hanged. Some got light jail terms. I think they got justice, given the circumstances."
When the interview was over, after lunch, I asked him who had masterminded Karume's assassination. He said: "Abdulrahman Babu."

All in all, what I got from him was that he had chosen to serve the Revolutionary Government of Zanzibar by seeking to make changes from within, as he was of the belief that if all qualified Zanzibaris chose to boycott the civil service, and everything left into the hands of radical revolutionaries who were inexperienced in government matters, the situation would be so much worse.

Deeply respected
I also deduced that he deeply respected Sheikh Karume and saw him as a committed, well-meaning leader in spite of his erratic behaviour. They also saw the Union from two opposing perspectives: Karume being a committed pan-Africanist while Dourado harboured strong primordial attachments. Despite walking on a tricky political landscape over the years, Dourado was able to outlive so many of his contemporaries in the Zanzibar political arena, that is, including Karume himself.

Dourado, on the same Union issue, did not see eye to eye with Mwalimu Nyerere, who later jailed him sometime after Karume's assassination following a fiery anti-Union speech that he gave at a Tanzania lawyers' association function.

Showing me a photo that captured Mwalimu Nyerere and Dourado walking together, with Dourado staring directly into Mwalimu's face, Nyerere chose to gaze straight ahead instead. "Nyerere would never look into his (Wolf's) eyes," Yvonne said, just to stress how Nyerere was incensed by Dourado.

Dourado, who was serving as a judge of the Zanzibar High Court, passed away at his Vuga residence in Zanzibar on March 19, 2012 in the presence of family members.
He had chosen to walk a controversial path in his life, yet he was convinced that his was the right direction. May his soul rest in peace.




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shimo said:
Jaman c tuuvunje au kila m1 achukue 50 zake tubakie na tanganyika na wao wabakie na visiwa vya zanzibar kwan luna nn cha maana katika hili kufikia watu kulilia kuuvunja.......mm
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aaaah kweli mkuu!!muungano!muungano!!muunganooooooooooooooooo!tumechoka sasa, kwendeni zenu tumechoka, na kelele zao wana nn hawa wanataka kutusumbua?????what is so special??????????????????
 
genekai said:
Hili ndo lililokuwa kosa la kisheria katika hii ndoa ya kulazimishwa!!!!
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mkuu lakini na watoto wameshazaliwa ndani ya ndoa hii batili! hapa kwakweli lazima mzazi mmoja afe au ndoa ipate baraka za kanisa au msikiti kisha cheti kitolewe.
 
Rejao said:
Kama katiba inautambua muungano, na yeye anaifuta katiba then anahitaji nini tena.
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Kwa nini Kikwete anabadili katiba kama aliapa kuilinda? ina maana hata ndani ya katiba kuna vitu visivyokubalika, in short katiba si msaafu.
 
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