mwaswast
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beliefes divide people logically speaking..........Christians, muslims, jews etc.......... god is just a political tool my dear.
beliefes divide people logically speaking..........Christians, muslims, jews etc.......... god is just a political tool my dear.Why are you using harsh language chief?
If insane is the one who believes in something which he[she] has never seen,then we are all insanes by definition
Quantum mechanics throws scientists into mysticism,they are forced to believe in something which is essentially invisible
Quantum physicists are believing in existence of quarks,but they have never seen them
Does that justifies their insanity?
Is Quantum mechanics nonsense because it explain unseen things?
You are not deserve to be the free thinker,you are clueless weak atheist
Beliefs are essential,even in science you need a faith
You have not answered my question
Can you prove the negative?
You have made the incoherent claim that 'beliefs divide people'
Now burden of proofs is on your shoulder,show how?
I think you have even a clue.To be honest,I do not know why God allows existence of natural evils or disasters
Even the great man himself,Thomas aquinas failed to resolve successfully that puzzle
His answer is inadequate
Perhaps God had his own good moral reasons.
Sorry for the wrong designationSorry,I aint male
No,you have it backward
Problem of evil can be raised by any kinda debater
Even if you are atheist,you can,for sake of argument,assume that omnibenevolent being exists
And you can use him as moral standard
Your entire question depend on what you mean by evil
Evil is any unpleasant,harm and bad thing
As you can see,the definition is absolute,it does not depend on your moral compass
Bado hujathibitisha kwamba mungu yupo.Hiyo ndiyo " default position " has ukionyeshwa mapungufu kwenye fikra zako kwa kukuonyesha hoja fyongo uzitoazo.
Kama sijaweza kutjibitisha uwepo wake ndiyo unakuwa ushahidi kwako kwamba hayupo
Mr square root of two ! Come out and think ...
Bado hujathibitisha kwamba mungu yupo.
Myngu wako hayupo sio kwa sababu wewe huwezi kumthibitisha kwamba yupo -kuna vingi ambavyo huwezi kuvithibitisha kwamba vipo, lakini vipo.
Mungu wako hayupo kwa sababu idea ya kuwapo kwake inajipinga yenyewe.
Mungu wako ana an inherrent contradiction.
Ni kama "pembetatu duara", ni dubwana linalojipinga lenyewe kwamba haliwezi kuwepo kabla hata mimi sijalipinga.
Unaposema Mungu hayupo,ndio uthibitisho kuwa Yupo,kwa sababu huwezi kutaja hayupo,ni kuwa Yupo,ndio ukaweza kusema hayupo.Huwezi kusema hayupo,ila baada ya kuwepo,huko kuwepo kwake,ndio kukufanya useme hayupo.First thing first, prove that god exists before saying god will do this or that.
Else, what you are writing is nere tisha toto.
Kuna mtu alisema ananiombea nipatwe na mabaya ili ku prove kwamba mungu yupo.
Nikasema nampa masaa 24 mungu wake aniue, nishindwe kuja JF.
Jamaa kasepa, mpaka sasa simuoni hapa.
Mungu wenu ni wa makaratasi. Tena hana meno.
Mungu ambaye ni idea ndiye anayejipinga lakini Mungu muumbaji wa vyote vilivyoumbwa hajipingi hata kidogo.Bado hujathibitisha kwamba mungu yupo.
Myngu wako hayupo sio kwa sababu wewe huwezi kumthibitisha kwamba yupo -kuna vingi ambavyo huwezi kuvithibitisha kwamba vipo, lakini vipo.
Mungu wako hayupo kwa sababu idea ya kuwapo kwake inajipinga yenyewe.
Mungu wako ana an inherrent contradiction.
Ni kama "pembetatu duara", ni dubwana linalojipinga lenyewe kwamba haliwezi kuwepo kabla hata mimi sijalipinga.
Hujathibitisha kwamba kuna mungu muumbaji wa vyote nje ya idea tu.Mungu ambaye ni idea ndiye anayejipinga lakini Mungu muumbaji wa vyote vilivyoumbwa hajipingi hata kidogo
Huyo mungu wako aliyetokana na ideas zako na wemzako hawezi kuwa ndiye Mungu wangu Mimi kwa kuwa Mungu wangu sio matokeo ya idea bali yeye ndiye msababishaji wa vyote pamoja na "mind " inayoleta "ideas"
Kudai kuwa kitu fulani hakipo sio uthibitisho kuwa kipo.Unaposema Mungu hayupo,ndio uthibitisho kuwa Yupo,kwa sababu huwezi kutaja hayupo,ni kuwa Yupo,ndio ukaweza kusema hayupo.Huwezi kusema hayupo,ila baada ya kuwepo,huko kuwepo kwake,ndio kukufanya useme hayupo.
Is it really logically speaking?beliefes divide people logically speaking..........Christians, muslims, jews etc.......... god is just a political tool my dear.
Kudai kuwa kitu fulani hakipo sio uthibitisho kuwa kipo.
Kwa hiyo nikisema "farasi wenye pembe za chuma" hawapo je huo utakuwa ni uthibitisho kuwa wapo?
Wewe jamaa ni kama mbwa MZEE hufundishiki. Huwezi kukiri udhaifu wa mawazo ukionyeshwa kwa picha kubwaaa....Jibu la swali lako mbona lipo katika ulichonukuu?
Nimekupa nafasi ya kuonyesha kwamba kurudi nyuma katika muda, unaweza juni prove wrong.
Ukisema sijajua kwamba miaka 100 au 1000 ijayo tutaweza kurudi nyuma katika muda hivyo kusema hatuwezi kurudi nyuma katika muda si sahihi, na mimi naweza kukwambia kwamba miaka 100 au 1000 ijayo tunaweza kugundua kwamba mungu hayupo definitively na kwa hiyo mnaosema mungu yupo mmekosea.
Huwezi kuacha kuamua kwa kutumia logic leo kwa sababu hujui kitakachotokea kesho.
Utashindwa kuamua chochote na habari yoyote ya kufikiri haitaweza kumalizwa.
CC KirangaH1N1 said:If there is no moral laws that can help differentiate good from evil how on earth one can determine among the two?
They say,knowledge of good and evil comes naturally from our conscienceEvils are either done on human or said by human
Lion killing gazelle can not be accounted as evil
I do not get the logic for a non believer talking of evils and good , unless he or she can tell me the way he or she is going to differentiate them
I think to atheist there is no evil or good as human will be just dancing to the tune of music in their DNA
CC Kiranga
"It is Evil or Good because it tampers with human intrinsic value or dignity
If we are a product of chance in space and time how to we get value?"
CC Nyani Ngabu
They say,knowledge of good and evil comes naturally from our conscience
CC @Kiranga,Nyani Ngabu
Tatizo kubwa linalokukabili ni kukariri kuwa uwepo wa jambo au kitu inategemea uwezo wa uthibitishoHujathibitisha kwamba kuna mungu muumbaji wa vyote nje ya idea tu.
Thibitisha.
Hapo unapotaja farasi,hilo neno farasi,ni kuwa wako farasi,ndio ukasema hawapo farasi Wenye pembe za chuma,lakini farasi wapo.Kwa kusema kwako hawapo farasi Wenye pembe za chuma,nikuwa wapo farasi,ndio ukasema hawapo farasi.Kudai kuwa kitu fulani hakipo sio uthibitisho kuwa kipo.
Kwa hiyo nikisema "farasi wenye pembe za chuma" hawapo je huo utakuwa ni uthibitisho kuwa wapo?
H1N1 said:Due to each society getting knowledge of good and evils by accident from their conscience
that could be the very reason in Kirangaz society they eat their neighbour while in nyani ngabu society they honor their neighbour
It is said that evolution of human being started in Africa
Can one volunteer telling me where the evolution of moral laws started from?
Let me put it in this way[from agnostic and atheistic standpoint]
Knowledge of good and evil does not actually depend on any moral law
And even its very definition is universal and absolute
I think if,we define evil as any harmful or unpleasant thing that causes pain,we are no longer need any moral law to differentiate between good and evil
I mean,its definition is self standing
Our distinction between good and evil[Moral laws],comes from our conscience
And again,conscience is biochemical property
[Mammals have more degrees of parental care because they have placenta]