Tanzanians kill each other over land

Tanzanians kill each other over land

Village leadership is the main source of land problems in this country. The so called fake investors come with bribes and they eventually sell the village land without knowledge of the village people. That is where the conflict starts to arise whereby the land becomes scarce for farmers and livestock keepers. Secondly high ranking officials in Tanzanian Government own a vast land whereby it is not being utilized but on the other side majority of people in those areas do not own even one tenth of an acre. The Government is very quiet on this and the poor people are the ones who suffers. IKO SIKU Mungu atasaidia.
 
Village leadership is the main source of land problems in this country. The so called fake investors come with bribes and they eventually sell the village land without knowledge of the village people. That is where the conflict starts to arise whereby the land becomes scarce for farmers and livestock keepers. Secondly high ranking officials in Tanzanian Government own a vast land whereby it is not being utilized but on the other side majority of people in those areas do not own even one tenth of an acre. The Government is very quiet on this and the poor people are the ones who suffers. IKO SIKU Mungu atasaidia.

Sounds a replica of our issues here, but fighting amongst yourselves won't solve a thing. We did it and only ended up suffering even more while the few billionaires enjoyed watching us on TV as we after each other's throat. The best solution is to elect people of integrity with clear and plausible vision.
 
Village leadership is the main source of land problems in this country. The so called fake investors come with bribes and they eventually sell the village land without knowledge of the village people. That is where the conflict starts to arise whereby the land becomes scarce for farmers and livestock keepers. Secondly high ranking officials in Tanzanian Government own a vast land whereby it is not being utilized but on the other side majority of people in those areas do not own even one tenth of an acre. The Government is very quiet on this and the poor people are the ones who suffers. IKO SIKU Mungu atasaidia.
The main cause of the problem it seems to me is due to the lack of lack of enforceable land ownership either by individuals or villages. This has made Tanzania continue to practice primitive animal hudbandry where pastoralists criss cross the country with thousands of animals. It is high time the government stopped this practice
 
The main cause of the problem it seems to me is due to the lack of lack of enforceable land ownership either by individuals or villages. This has made Tanzania continue to practice primitive animal hudbandry where pastoralists criss cross the country with thousands of animals. It is high time the government stopped this practice

I agree, that to some extent, lack of visioned leadership at grass root levels, plus growing corruption- has been adding salt to historical conflict between farmers and pastoralits. But also growing government interest on national parks and forest reserves, huge national investments like the NAFCO project etc, have minimized grazing lands for the pastoralists exposing them to farming areas naturally belonging to the farmers.

But, as a nomadic pastoralist myself, I understand those are not the only problems. The other (main???)problem, is I think the mind set. Our pastoralists are still living in a pre-Bismarck Africa- Africa free of artificial boundaries where one could move from Cairo to Capetown in search for water and grazing lands. That's the problem, but stopping the practice as some suggest here, that has existed for centuries since times of Moses is not as easy as changing ones religion or joining a political party, it can't be changed by legislations alone. We need programs and systematic education that will transform our people from the illusions of the past to the realities of 21st century and beyond. And, unless we believe in miracles to change this, we need to act and act immediately!.
 
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While you bury your head in the sand, seven lives were lost. It's important to wake up to this fact, especially you, since you normally sound like some kind of government agent in JF forums. It's a known fact that conflicts between pastrolists and farmers naturally takes a tribal angle since these are traditional dispositions. Even here in Kenya, we've had perennial conflict between Maaasais and other tribes from farming communities, but this has been reduced drastically after Maasais were introduced into farming activities especially wheat and modern education.
 
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While you bury your head in the sand, seven lives were lost. It's important to wake up to this fact, especially you, since you normally sound like some kind of government agent in JF forums. It's a known fact that conflicts between pastrolists and farmers naturally takes a tribal angle since these are traditional dispositions. Even here in Kenya, we've had perennial conflict between Maaasais and other tribes from farming communities, but this has been reduced drastically after Maasais were introduced into farming activities especially wheat and modern education.
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[h=5]1 DAY AGO[/h][h=1]Two police reservists killed in North Horr attack[/h]Two Kenya Police Reserve officers were Monday evening killed and scores of civilians injured at a water point in North Horr near the Kenya-Ethiopia border.
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A woman drives her three donkeys home after collecting firewood at North Horr area in Marsabit county on November 4, 2013. Two Kenya Police Reserve officers were Monday evening killed and scores of civilians injured at a water point in North Horr near the Kenya-Ethiopia border. Photo/ JOSEPH KANYI
[h=3]In Summary[/h]
  • The KPR officers were manning the Alabor borehole right at the border when bandits believed to be Ethiopian militia ambushed the nomadic pastoralists from the Gabra community who were watering their livestock.
  • This comes after reservists were deployed at water points in Moyale after four people were killed at the Odda bore hole after a water disagreements among communities.
  • The region has been hit by water shortage with only a few households affording piped water


Two Kenya Police Reserve officers were Monday evening killed and scores of civilians injured at a water point in North Horr near the Kenya-Ethiopia border.
The KPR officers were manning the Alabor borehole right at the border when bandits believed to be Ethiopian militia ambushed the nomadic pastoralists from the Gabra community who were watering their livestock.
Speaking to the Nation, area Member of the National Assembly Chachu Ganya said the police from Furrole police post were on a security mission and got shot as they were pursuing the militia who had seized about 2,000 cattle from the pastoralists.
Mr Ganya expressed fears that the invasions would extend to all the towns along the border this year if the government does not act fast to curb the problem.
"This is an external human rights issue as people are not protected and are suffering for no apparent reason yet the national government has nothing to bring home about.
We have the military and since the issue was reported yesterday we have not seen any security details in this area doing a follow up. We only hear that KDF is in Moyale and we cannot even ascertain that," the MP said.
County Police Commander Erastus Muthamia said the incident occurred 26 kilometres from the Ethiopian border where one officer was killed and his G3 rifle recovered.
He said the Kenyans had gone to water their cattle at the borehole which is shared by the Ethiopians and there was no confrontation from the Kenyans as the area is said to be peaceful.
However, Mr Muthamia said they are trying to engage Ethiopian authorities to come to an amicable solution.
"Furolle is a very peaceful area and we are taken aback because these two groups have been sharing the water point for a while now. About 150 cattle have not been recovered. We are trying to confront the other side and see how best we can handle this," the Police Commander said.
He refuted claims that the area residents have been fleeing the country for safety.
This comes after reservists were deployed at water points in Moyale after four people were killed at the Odda bore hole after a water disagreements among communities.
The region has been hit by water shortage with only a few households affording piped water
Two police reservists killed in North Horr attack - Counties - nation.co.ke
 
While you bury your head in the sand, seven lives were lost. It's important to wake up to this fact, especially you, since you normally sound like some kind of government agent in JF forums. It's a known fact that conflicts between pastrolists and farmers naturally takes a tribal angle since these are traditional dispositions. Even here in Kenya, we've had perennial conflict between Maaasais and other tribes from farming communities, but this has been reduced drastically after Maasais were introduced into farming activities especially wheat and modern education.
Yaah right :A S 13:

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1 DAY AGO

Two police reservists killed in North Horr attack

Two Kenya Police Reserve officers were Monday evening killed and scores of civilians injured at a water point in North Horr near the Kenya-Ethiopia border.
DNMARSABITFUEL0611A.jpg
A woman drives her three donkeys home after collecting firewood at North Horr area in Marsabit county on November 4, 2013. Two Kenya Police Reserve officers were Monday evening killed and scores of civilians injured at a water point in North Horr near the Kenya-Ethiopia border. Photo/ JOSEPH KANYI
In Summary


  • The KPR officers were manning the Alabor borehole right at the border when bandits believed to be Ethiopian militia ambushed the nomadic pastoralists from the Gabra community who were watering their livestock.
  • This comes after reservists were deployed at water points in Moyale after four people were killed at the Odda bore hole after a water disagreements among communities.
  • The region has been hit by water shortage with only a few households affording piped water


Two Kenya Police Reserve officers were Monday evening killed and scores of civilians injured at a water point in North Horr near the Kenya-Ethiopia border.
The KPR officers were manning the Alabor borehole right at the border when bandits believed to be Ethiopian militia ambushed the nomadic pastoralists from the Gabra community who were watering their livestock.
Speaking to the Nation, area Member of the National Assembly Chachu Ganya said the police from Furrole police post were on a security mission and got shot as they were pursuing the militia who had seized about 2,000 cattle from the pastoralists.
Mr Ganya expressed fears that the invasions would extend to all the towns along the border this year if the government does not act fast to curb the problem.
"This is an external human rights issue as people are not protected and are suffering for no apparent reason yet the national government has nothing to bring home about.
We have the military and since the issue was reported yesterday we have not seen any security details in this area doing a follow up. We only hear that KDF is in Moyale and we cannot even ascertain that," the MP said.
County Police Commander Erastus Muthamia said the incident occurred 26 kilometres from the Ethiopian border where one officer was killed and his G3 rifle recovered.
He said the Kenyans had gone to water their cattle at the borehole which is shared by the Ethiopians and there was no confrontation from the Kenyans as the area is said to be peaceful.
However, Mr Muthamia said they are trying to engage Ethiopian authorities to come to an amicable solution.
"Furolle is a very peaceful area and we are taken aback because these two groups have been sharing the water point for a while now. About 150 cattle have not been recovered. We are trying to confront the other side and see how best we can handle this," the Police Commander said.
He refuted claims that the area residents have been fleeing the country for safety.
This comes after reservists were deployed at water points in Moyale after four people were killed at the Odda bore hole after a water disagreements among communities.
The region has been hit by water shortage with only a few households affording piped water
Two police reservists killed in North Horr attack - Counties - nation.co.ke


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[h=5]19 HOURS AGO[/h][h=1]Verbal theatrics on insecurity insensitive[/h]The threat to disband the Marsabit county government over insecurity has triggered a verbal jousting between the governing coalition and the opposition Cord alliance.
[h=3]In Summary[/h]
  • It is a cardinal responsibility of every government to ensure safety and security for all. That is not a matter to be turned into political shouting matches.
  • Deputy President William Ruto issued the threat, accusing the Marsabit governor of culpability in the unending cycle of clan and ethnic warfare.


The threat to disband the Marsabit county government over insecurity has triggered a verbal jousting between the governing coalition and the opposition Cord alliance.
Deputy President William Ruto issued the threat, accusing the Marsabit governor of culpability in the unending cycle of clan and ethnic warfare.
Opposition leader Raila Odinga countered that the government was deliberately refusing to tackle insecurity in counties headed by Cord administrations to create a justification for suspending those county governments.
(READ: Raila warns govt against disbanding Marsabit County)
It is a pity that such serious security issues should be reduced to simply providing the stage for verbal jousting among political leaders.
Security, or the lack of it, is one of the biggest threats facing Kenya today. It is manifested in violent criminal gangs operating in highly-populated areas, cattle-rustlers holding sway in vast swathes of the neglected reaches of northern and eastern Kenya, clan, sectional and ethnic conflicts.
It is a cardinal responsibility of every government to ensure safety and security for all. That is not a matter to be turned into political shouting matches.
While the national government remains in charge of national security, however, that does not absolve county governments from playing their part.
In many parts riven by conflicts that cut across ethnic or county boundaries, governors and their administrations are often part of the problem.
All governors in areas afflicted by the sort of conflicts we allude to must re-examine themselves and decide whether they want to stand tall as leaders and statesmen; or whether they prefer to be remembered as warlords and village tyrants.
The national government, in turn, must pay serious attention to security problems, not just exploit them for political theatrics.
Verbal theatrics on insecurity insensitive - Editorials - nation.co.ke
 
I agree, that to some extent, lack of visioned leadership at grass root levels, plus growing corruption- has been adding salt to historical conflict between farmers and pastoralits. But also growing government interest on national parks and forest reserves, huge national investments like the NAFCO project etc, have minimized grazing lands for the pastoralists exposing them to farming areas naturally belonging to the farmers.

But, as a nomadic pastoralist myself, I understand those are not the only problems. The other (main???)problem, is I think the mind set. Our pastoralists are still living in a pre-Bismarck Africa- Africa free of artificial boundaries where one could move from Cairo to Capetown in search for water and grazing lands. That's the problem, but stopping the practice as some suggest here, that has existed for centuries since times of Moses is not as easy as changing ones religion or joining a political party, it can't be changed by legislations alone. We need programs and systematic education that will transform our people from the illusions of the past to the realities of 21st century and beyond. And, unless we believe in miracles to change this, we need to act and act immediately!.

I totally agree with you. Most of our leaders are lazy thinkers, dishonest, and self-serving. Whenever clashes happen between farmers and the pastoralists farmers accuse their leaders of siding with the pastoralists. But our leaders, especially at regional, district and grassroot level love the pastoralists because they can easily squeeze some bribes from them.

Tanzania needs to improve its animal husbandry for the good of everyone, especially the pastoralists who do not get much from their large herds and in most cases do not send their children to school.

Not long ago a government delegation led by Mr. Basil Mramba was sent to Botswana to learn how that country had succeeded in modernising their beef industry. Not much was heard after that trip.
 
BADO!!!!! ARDHI ITASABABISHA MAAFA MAKUBWA KAMA VIONGOZI WETU HAWATAKUWA MAKINI. Bado!
 
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1 DAY AGO

Two police reservists killed in North Horr attack

Two Kenya Police Reserve officers were Monday evening killed and scores of civilians injured at a water point in North Horr near the Kenya-Ethiopia border.
DNMARSABITFUEL0611A.jpg
A woman drives her three donkeys home after collecting firewood at North Horr area in Marsabit county on November 4, 2013. Two Kenya Police Reserve officers were Monday evening killed and scores of civilians injured at a water point in North Horr near the Kenya-Ethiopia border. Photo/ JOSEPH KANYI
In Summary


  • The KPR officers were manning the Alabor borehole right at the border when bandits believed to be Ethiopian militia ambushed the nomadic pastoralists from the Gabra community who were watering their livestock.
  • This comes after reservists were deployed at water points in Moyale after four people were killed at the Odda bore hole after a water disagreements among communities.
  • The region has been hit by water shortage with only a few households affording piped water


Two Kenya Police Reserve officers were Monday evening killed and scores of civilians injured at a water point in North Horr near the Kenya-Ethiopia border.
The KPR officers were manning the Alabor borehole right at the border when bandits believed to be Ethiopian militia ambushed the nomadic pastoralists from the Gabra community who were watering their livestock.
Speaking to the Nation, area Member of the National Assembly Chachu Ganya said the police from Furrole police post were on a security mission and got shot as they were pursuing the militia who had seized about 2,000 cattle from the pastoralists.
Mr Ganya expressed fears that the invasions would extend to all the towns along the border this year if the government does not act fast to curb the problem.
"This is an external human rights issue as people are not protected and are suffering for no apparent reason yet the national government has nothing to bring home about.
We have the military and since the issue was reported yesterday we have not seen any security details in this area doing a follow up. We only hear that KDF is in Moyale and we cannot even ascertain that," the MP said.
County Police Commander Erastus Muthamia said the incident occurred 26 kilometres from the Ethiopian border where one officer was killed and his G3 rifle recovered.
He said the Kenyans had gone to water their cattle at the borehole which is shared by the Ethiopians and there was no confrontation from the Kenyans as the area is said to be peaceful.
However, Mr Muthamia said they are trying to engage Ethiopian authorities to come to an amicable solution.
"Furolle is a very peaceful area and we are taken aback because these two groups have been sharing the water point for a while now. About 150 cattle have not been recovered. We are trying to confront the other side and see how best we can handle this," the Police Commander said.
He refuted claims that the area residents have been fleeing the country for safety.
This comes after reservists were deployed at water points in Moyale after four people were killed at the Odda bore hole after a water disagreements among communities.
The region has been hit by water shortage with only a few households affording piped water
Two police reservists killed in North Horr attack - Counties - nation.co.ke


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19 HOURS AGO

Verbal theatrics on insecurity insensitive

The threat to disband the Marsabit county government over insecurity has triggered a verbal jousting between the governing coalition and the opposition Cord alliance.
In Summary


  • It is a cardinal responsibility of every government to ensure safety and security for all. That is not a matter to be turned into political shouting matches.
  • Deputy President William Ruto issued the threat, accusing the Marsabit governor of culpability in the unending cycle of clan and ethnic warfare.


The threat to disband the Marsabit county government over insecurity has triggered a verbal jousting between the governing coalition and the opposition Cord alliance.
Deputy President William Ruto issued the threat, accusing the Marsabit governor of culpability in the unending cycle of clan and ethnic warfare.
Opposition leader Raila Odinga countered that the government was deliberately refusing to tackle insecurity in counties headed by Cord administrations to create a justification for suspending those county governments.
(READ: Raila warns govt against disbanding Marsabit County)
It is a pity that such serious security issues should be reduced to simply providing the stage for verbal jousting among political leaders.
Security, or the lack of it, is one of the biggest threats facing Kenya today. It is manifested in violent criminal gangs operating in highly-populated areas, cattle-rustlers holding sway in vast swathes of the neglected reaches of northern and eastern Kenya, clan, sectional and ethnic conflicts.
It is a cardinal responsibility of every government to ensure safety and security for all. That is not a matter to be turned into political shouting matches.
While the national government remains in charge of national security, however, that does not absolve county governments from playing their part.
In many parts riven by conflicts that cut across ethnic or county boundaries, governors and their administrations are often part of the problem.
All governors in areas afflicted by the sort of conflicts we allude to must re-examine themselves and decide whether they want to stand tall as leaders and statesmen; or whether they prefer to be remembered as warlords and village tyrants.
The national government, in turn, must pay serious attention to security problems, not just exploit them for political theatrics.
Verbal theatrics on insecurity insensitive - Editorials - nation.co.ke

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I agree, that to some extent, lack of visioned leadership at grass root levels, plus growing corruption- has been adding salt to historical conflict between farmers and pastoralits. But also growing government interest on national parks and forest reserves, huge national investments like the NAFCO project etc, have minimized grazing lands for the pastoralists exposing them to farming areas naturally belonging to the farmers.

But, as a nomadic pastoralist myself, I understand those are not the only problems. The other (main???)problem, is I think the mind set. Our pastoralists are still living in a pre-Bismarck Africa- Africa free of artificial boundaries where one could move from Cairo to Capetown in search for water and grazing lands. That's the problem, but stopping the practice as some suggest here, that has existed for centuries since times of Moses is not as easy as changing ones religion or joining a political party, it can't be changed by legislations alone. We need programs and systematic education that will transform our people from the illusions of the past to the realities of 21st century and beyond. And, unless we believe in miracles to change this, we need to act and act immediately!.
Mkuu, your right on point i also thought the causes of the problems are exactly has you have highlighted them. Nevertheless the government (through legislature) and other responsible authorities haven take too long to introduction new policies that fact also contributes to the problem largely. What they are trying to do so far is trying to solve old problems by ignoring new challenges.

We are told just after the independence Tanzania had a population of about nine million, today we are forty-five million of us and rising. With those stats we can not expect to resolve land issues by keeping drawing up designated areas, it has to come to a point where commonsense must prevail and facts be the cause of new policies.

Since the population is almost five folds from what it were during the independence also the competition for the resources is getting greater (if not fierce) with severe consequences as demonstrated by the latest conflict.

Therefore new policies must be structured in relation to future needs, land reservations today must be opened to later human demands in order to meet the needs of the population, also as you mentioned pastoral communities must learn land is a very important resource in any nation, their commensal should not be the source of conflict in the communities. Commensalism does not mean the host has to suffer it has to be on the host's advantage, whereby pastoral communities have yet to grasp that concept. It is time the government started encouraging settling (with laws that reinforce the concept) whilst educating the Masai and Co (or else Mh. Pinda's thinking of problem solving must apply).
 
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