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Its becoming hot as no body thought it would be. It seems as a planned provocation. I was thinking and I didn't got any better answer than the conclusion I will put below.
Faith is not part of constitution. Our constitution grants freedom of worship as long as that worship does not violate constitution itself. Who should slaughter is a faith matter where the government should have avoided interfering. As a matter of fact, the Magogoni should have been vocal and unequivocal on the matter that as long as you don't shove on someone else your faith: you are fine. Kikwete and all his executive should have made clear that it is unconstitutional to force on religious matters, especially using state machinery. In fact Eng. Ndikilo was supposed to be fired for his unconstitutional decisions.
Unfortunately the matter seems to be upside down. The defenders of constitution have turned self appointed defiant of it. The people who were supposed to be under constitution are trampling it. It raises more question with no answer whatsoever!
Given the premises, it makes any thinking person arrive at same conclusion: this is a pretext behind a big agenda! There might be a terrible thing planned and this is being used as a point of provocation. Or might even be a smokescreen. What agenda it is? I don't know but I can guess that.
Look here!
Why would the president be hesitant to fire Ndikilo for breaking the constitution he [the president] swore he would defend? Why was he not straight to the point that matters of faith are not for government and everybody is free to do whatever (including slaughtering animals) as his faith directs as long as he breaks no law in his speech? Why is he hesitant? who is he afraid of? What is in his mind? Under which law is non-Muslim prohibited from slaughtering her/his animal?
The issue that who used to do the slaughtering is a joke, and further the challenge of whether any non-Islamic sacred book commands its followers to do the same is a dunce question. The issue here is the constitution. If the decision is constitutional it is allowable regardless of what convention wisdom shouts or the book says.
The bottom line is this, its the time now the government becomes clear on the agenda, if any behind, this stupid pretext. Let the state make it clear if we follow now constitution or someones thoughts and if the constitution is superior, why are they hesitating to defend it.
If the agenda is to make another Rwanda, let us know so that we may prepare. If the agenda is to make this Nation Islamic state, why hiding under such pretext? Come out and just do it: suspend the constitution and declare Tanzania an Islamic state. If the agenda is to divide Tanzanians on religious basis, don't end with this: Make Hindus the only official businessmen and Pagans as only people qualifying as priests and Imams in this nation. Don't end here, clearly state that only atheists can run for presidency and so on....
They might all be bad guesses but its a possibility!
Warning: If you do not understand it, read it again and again!
The situation is not only weird but also disgusting.
[I Hope Mods will not merge with any thread as thid deals with agenda behind pretext and not the event themselves nor its impact]
Tafsiri:
Imekuwa habari mtaani kiasi ambacho hakuna aliyetarajia itakuwa. Inaonekana kama ni uchokozi uliopangwa. Nilikuwa nafikiria na sikupata jawabu zuri zaidi ya hitimisho nitakaloliweka hapo chini.
Imani sio sehemu ya katiba. Katiba yetu inatoa uhuru wa kuabudu ikiwa tu ibada yako haivunji katiba yenyewe. Nani achinje na nani asichinje ni suala la kiimani ambalo serikali ilipaswa kukwepa kuliingilia. Hakika Magogoni walipaswa kwa ukali na kwa sauti isiyo na shaka kusema wazi kuwa ikiwa tu haumlazimishi mwingine kufuata imani yako: hakuna tatizo.
Kikwete na dola yake yote walipaswa kuweka wazi kabisa kuwa ni kinyume na katiba kulazimishana mambo ya kiimani/kidini, hasa kwa kutumia raslimali za serikali. Na kwa hakika Mhandisi Ndikilo alipaswa kufukuzwa kazi kwa maamuzi yake yaliyovunja katiba.
Kwa bahati mbaya mambo yako kicha chini miguu juu. Waliopaswa kuilinda katiba ya nchi wamejiteua kuwa wavunjaji wayo. Watu waliopaswa kuwa chini ya katiba wanaikanyaga kanyaga. Inaleta maswali zaidi kukiwa hakuna majibu yeyote!
Vigezo mantiki hivi, vinamfanya kila mtu afikiriye kufikia hitimisho lilelile: hiki ni kidanganyishio tu kinachoficha ajenda kubwa! Inawezekana kuna kitu kikubwa kinapangwa na hili linatumika tu kama kianzio cha uchokozi. Au inawezekana ikawa ni namna ya kuficha mambo fulani yasijulikane yalivyo. Ni ajenda gani hiyo? Sijui lakini naweza kubahatisha.
Tazama hapa!
Kwa nini Rais asite kumfukuza kazi Ndikilo kwa kuvunja katiba ambayo yeye [Rais] aliapa kuilinda? Kwa nini hakuwa wazi katika hotuba aliyoitoa kusema kuwa mambo ya imani si ya serikali na kuwa kila mtu yuko huru kufanya chochote (ikiwemo kujichinjia wanyama) kama imani yake inavyomwelekeza ikiwa tu havunji sheria? Kwa nini asite? Anamwogopa nani? Nini kipo katika mawazo yake? Kwa sheria gani mtu asiye Muislamu anazuiwa kujichinjia mnyama wake?
Kusema kuwa nani alikuwa anachinja kabla ni kituko, na kuweka changamoto kama Kitabu kitakatifu cha wasio waislam kinatoa maagizo kwa wafuasi wake katika hili au la ni swali la zuzu. Hapa suala ni Katiba. Kama uamuzi uko sahihi kikatiba unaruhusiwa bila kujali utamaduni au busara zinasema nini au kitabu kinasemaje.
Jambo kuu hapa ni hili, ni wakati wa serikali kuwa wazi katika ajenda waliyonayo, kama ipo nyuma ya kidanganyishio hiki cha kipumbavu. Dola na iseme wazi kama sasa tunafuata katiba au mawazo ya mtu fulani na kama Katiba ipo juu ya kila mtu kwa nini wanasita kuilinda?
Kama ajenda ni kutengeneza Rwanda nyingine, watufahamishe tujue ili tujiandae. Kama ajenda ni kulifanya Taifa letu liwe taifa la Kiislam, kwa nini wajifiche kwa kidanganyishio hiki? Watoke hadharani na wafanye walilokusudia: waisimamishe katiba isitende kazi na kuitangaza Tanzania kama Taifa la Kiislam. Kama ajenda ni kuwaga Watanzania kwa misingi ya Imani zao wasiishie na hili pekee: Wawafanye Wahindu kuwa wao pekee wana haki ya kuwa wafanyabiashara na ya kuwa Wapagani pekee ndio wanapaswa kuwa Wachungaji, Mapdri na Maimamu katika taifa hili. Na wasiishie hapo, waseme wazi wanaoweza kugombea urais ni watu wasioamini uwepo wa Mungu pekee... na kuendelea!
Yawezekana huu wote ukawa ubahatishaji mbovu kabisa lakini yote haya yawezekana!
Onyo: Kama hujaelewa, soma tena na tena!
Hali sio kwamba tu ni mbaya bali inatia kinyaa!
More Information
"Imani ni nafsi ya mtu na haitakiwi mtu kumlazimisha kula nyama iliyochinjwa na
mwenzio na kama unaona aliyochinja mwenzio ni kibudu basi usile chinja yako kula
hata ukitaka kula chura, mjusi konokono kula utakacho ruksa ilimradi tu usiingie
katika jinai," alisema Alhaji Mwinyi.
Selasini amesema, kwa maoni yake hakuna sababu ya viongozi wa dini kukaa pamoja kutafuta suluhu wakati udini huo unatekelezwa na viongozi wakubwa katika serikali hii. Source
Are undercarpet things revealing now?
ARUSHA,Tanzania - At least 30 people were injured including three seriously in anexplosion Sunday at a church in the northern Tanzanian city of Arusha, policesaid. "There have been 30 people wounded, three in a serious condition, and one person has been arrested," said regional police chiefLiberatus Sabas. Source
Ooops! Things are coming out of the carpet!
Faith is not part of constitution. Our constitution grants freedom of worship as long as that worship does not violate constitution itself. Who should slaughter is a faith matter where the government should have avoided interfering. As a matter of fact, the Magogoni should have been vocal and unequivocal on the matter that as long as you don't shove on someone else your faith: you are fine. Kikwete and all his executive should have made clear that it is unconstitutional to force on religious matters, especially using state machinery. In fact Eng. Ndikilo was supposed to be fired for his unconstitutional decisions.
Unfortunately the matter seems to be upside down. The defenders of constitution have turned self appointed defiant of it. The people who were supposed to be under constitution are trampling it. It raises more question with no answer whatsoever!
Given the premises, it makes any thinking person arrive at same conclusion: this is a pretext behind a big agenda! There might be a terrible thing planned and this is being used as a point of provocation. Or might even be a smokescreen. What agenda it is? I don't know but I can guess that.
Look here!
Why would the president be hesitant to fire Ndikilo for breaking the constitution he [the president] swore he would defend? Why was he not straight to the point that matters of faith are not for government and everybody is free to do whatever (including slaughtering animals) as his faith directs as long as he breaks no law in his speech? Why is he hesitant? who is he afraid of? What is in his mind? Under which law is non-Muslim prohibited from slaughtering her/his animal?
The issue that who used to do the slaughtering is a joke, and further the challenge of whether any non-Islamic sacred book commands its followers to do the same is a dunce question. The issue here is the constitution. If the decision is constitutional it is allowable regardless of what convention wisdom shouts or the book says.
The bottom line is this, its the time now the government becomes clear on the agenda, if any behind, this stupid pretext. Let the state make it clear if we follow now constitution or someones thoughts and if the constitution is superior, why are they hesitating to defend it.
If the agenda is to make another Rwanda, let us know so that we may prepare. If the agenda is to make this Nation Islamic state, why hiding under such pretext? Come out and just do it: suspend the constitution and declare Tanzania an Islamic state. If the agenda is to divide Tanzanians on religious basis, don't end with this: Make Hindus the only official businessmen and Pagans as only people qualifying as priests and Imams in this nation. Don't end here, clearly state that only atheists can run for presidency and so on....
They might all be bad guesses but its a possibility!
Warning: If you do not understand it, read it again and again!
The situation is not only weird but also disgusting.
[I Hope Mods will not merge with any thread as thid deals with agenda behind pretext and not the event themselves nor its impact]
Tafsiri:
Imekuwa habari mtaani kiasi ambacho hakuna aliyetarajia itakuwa. Inaonekana kama ni uchokozi uliopangwa. Nilikuwa nafikiria na sikupata jawabu zuri zaidi ya hitimisho nitakaloliweka hapo chini.
Imani sio sehemu ya katiba. Katiba yetu inatoa uhuru wa kuabudu ikiwa tu ibada yako haivunji katiba yenyewe. Nani achinje na nani asichinje ni suala la kiimani ambalo serikali ilipaswa kukwepa kuliingilia. Hakika Magogoni walipaswa kwa ukali na kwa sauti isiyo na shaka kusema wazi kuwa ikiwa tu haumlazimishi mwingine kufuata imani yako: hakuna tatizo.
Kikwete na dola yake yote walipaswa kuweka wazi kabisa kuwa ni kinyume na katiba kulazimishana mambo ya kiimani/kidini, hasa kwa kutumia raslimali za serikali. Na kwa hakika Mhandisi Ndikilo alipaswa kufukuzwa kazi kwa maamuzi yake yaliyovunja katiba.
Kwa bahati mbaya mambo yako kicha chini miguu juu. Waliopaswa kuilinda katiba ya nchi wamejiteua kuwa wavunjaji wayo. Watu waliopaswa kuwa chini ya katiba wanaikanyaga kanyaga. Inaleta maswali zaidi kukiwa hakuna majibu yeyote!
Vigezo mantiki hivi, vinamfanya kila mtu afikiriye kufikia hitimisho lilelile: hiki ni kidanganyishio tu kinachoficha ajenda kubwa! Inawezekana kuna kitu kikubwa kinapangwa na hili linatumika tu kama kianzio cha uchokozi. Au inawezekana ikawa ni namna ya kuficha mambo fulani yasijulikane yalivyo. Ni ajenda gani hiyo? Sijui lakini naweza kubahatisha.
Tazama hapa!
Kwa nini Rais asite kumfukuza kazi Ndikilo kwa kuvunja katiba ambayo yeye [Rais] aliapa kuilinda? Kwa nini hakuwa wazi katika hotuba aliyoitoa kusema kuwa mambo ya imani si ya serikali na kuwa kila mtu yuko huru kufanya chochote (ikiwemo kujichinjia wanyama) kama imani yake inavyomwelekeza ikiwa tu havunji sheria? Kwa nini asite? Anamwogopa nani? Nini kipo katika mawazo yake? Kwa sheria gani mtu asiye Muislamu anazuiwa kujichinjia mnyama wake?
Kusema kuwa nani alikuwa anachinja kabla ni kituko, na kuweka changamoto kama Kitabu kitakatifu cha wasio waislam kinatoa maagizo kwa wafuasi wake katika hili au la ni swali la zuzu. Hapa suala ni Katiba. Kama uamuzi uko sahihi kikatiba unaruhusiwa bila kujali utamaduni au busara zinasema nini au kitabu kinasemaje.
Jambo kuu hapa ni hili, ni wakati wa serikali kuwa wazi katika ajenda waliyonayo, kama ipo nyuma ya kidanganyishio hiki cha kipumbavu. Dola na iseme wazi kama sasa tunafuata katiba au mawazo ya mtu fulani na kama Katiba ipo juu ya kila mtu kwa nini wanasita kuilinda?
Kama ajenda ni kutengeneza Rwanda nyingine, watufahamishe tujue ili tujiandae. Kama ajenda ni kulifanya Taifa letu liwe taifa la Kiislam, kwa nini wajifiche kwa kidanganyishio hiki? Watoke hadharani na wafanye walilokusudia: waisimamishe katiba isitende kazi na kuitangaza Tanzania kama Taifa la Kiislam. Kama ajenda ni kuwaga Watanzania kwa misingi ya Imani zao wasiishie na hili pekee: Wawafanye Wahindu kuwa wao pekee wana haki ya kuwa wafanyabiashara na ya kuwa Wapagani pekee ndio wanapaswa kuwa Wachungaji, Mapdri na Maimamu katika taifa hili. Na wasiishie hapo, waseme wazi wanaoweza kugombea urais ni watu wasioamini uwepo wa Mungu pekee... na kuendelea!
Yawezekana huu wote ukawa ubahatishaji mbovu kabisa lakini yote haya yawezekana!
Onyo: Kama hujaelewa, soma tena na tena!
Hali sio kwamba tu ni mbaya bali inatia kinyaa!
More Information
"Imani ni nafsi ya mtu na haitakiwi mtu kumlazimisha kula nyama iliyochinjwa na
mwenzio na kama unaona aliyochinja mwenzio ni kibudu basi usile chinja yako kula
hata ukitaka kula chura, mjusi konokono kula utakacho ruksa ilimradi tu usiingie
katika jinai," alisema Alhaji Mwinyi.
Selasini amesema, kwa maoni yake hakuna sababu ya viongozi wa dini kukaa pamoja kutafuta suluhu wakati udini huo unatekelezwa na viongozi wakubwa katika serikali hii. Source
Are undercarpet things revealing now?
ARUSHA,Tanzania - At least 30 people were injured including three seriously in anexplosion Sunday at a church in the northern Tanzanian city of Arusha, policesaid. "There have been 30 people wounded, three in a serious condition, and one person has been arrested," said regional police chiefLiberatus Sabas. Source
Ooops! Things are coming out of the carpet!
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