Mekatilili
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Touche! So you start by asking one to observe their nether regions then call for a civil discusion? I have now seen it all :lol:
Before calling me a stupid, please try to bend and look your ass hole, if is surrounded by a gray hair not, if you manage then come and call me.
Let discuss in civilized manner, by the way hakuna mtanzania anyeitamani Kenya, ndo maana hata wewe umewafata watanzania hapa kwenye blog zao.
Unapoambiwa John Garang na wewe unasema President Moi, basi kijana hufahamu History.
Ningelikuona wa maana ungelisema President Kenyatta. I think you are still too young with Mom's smell around you.
Go back and learn when John Garang and Museven attended University of Dar es Salaam and military training.
Mwisho, usiite watu STUPID wakati hata huwafahamu: Nyayo Kid...
This is not the way a young man should think at this age in time..brave yourself for competition bro..its survival for the fittest. Kenya is not bragging..we have spoken in actions..and its for our own good...whats bad to feel good about what we have achieved as a country honestly!?..you have a huge responsibility as a Tanzanian citizen to build the wonderful and blessed country God gave you..and this can not be done through complaining and looking for scapegoats everywhere..EAC is for its citizens not just govts..its upon individual EAC citizens to see how they can benefit from the huge market created by the unity of this 5 great countries plus S.Sudan.
read what you will in Moyo's word but I think she was spot on. When I read South Sudan is Kenya's 48th county the implications are Kenya considers them to be our brothers and we have shared our land, resources and knowledge with them and we are pretty much one. Remember not only Kenya's 3rd largest tribe call South Sudan home but we have other Nilotic groups in both countries with the same language and customs that are only divided by a border.
Cynicism will only get you so far!
Mekatilili,
..so is it OK to call Kenya "Southern Sudan 11th county"?
..I believe it would have been enough to explain the brotherly relationship that exists btn Kenya and Southern Sudan.
..hata Uganda wame-contribute sana kwa hawa ndugu zetu wa Southern Sudan, ingependeza kama nao wangekuwa acknowledged.
Nguruvi3;3446484]Hey! Does survival for the fittest synonymous to hypocrisy?This is not the way a young man should think at this age in time..brave yourself for competition bro..its survival for the fittest.Kenya is not bragging..we have spoken in actions..and its for our own good...whats bad to feel good about what we have achieved as a country honestly!?..you have a huge responsibility as a Tanzanian citizen to build the wonderful and blessed country God gave you..and this can not be done through complaining and looking for scapegoats everywhere..EAC is for its citizens not just govts..its upon individual EAC citizens to see how they can benefit from the huge market created by the unity of this 5 great countries plus S.Sudan.
Acknowledged by who? This issue is a non starter! You have the choice to remain cynical or venture into this brave world!
The Comprehensive Peace Agreement (CPA, Arabic: اتفاقية السلام الشامل‎, Ittifāqiyat al-Sālāam a-aāmil), also known as the Naivasha Agreement, was a set of agreements culminating in January 2005 that were signed between the Sudan People's Liberation Movement (SPLM) and the Government of Sudan. The CPA was meant to end the Second Sudanese Civil War, develop democratic governance countrywide and share oil revenues. It further set a timetable by which Southern Sudanwould have a referendum on its independence.
Guess who needs to read a book?! So what if he went to school in Tanzania? Kenya hosts the largest South Sudanese diaspora in Africa and was behind the South Sudanese from start to this date. Why wasnt the peace accord signed in Dar es salaam, accept your irrelevance in geo- politics and soldier on!
Hey! Does survival for the fittest synonymous to hypocrisy?
Just to remind you, this is an intellectual discourse, you can make a point without arrogance, abusive language, boisterous and the likes. I fully understand the cultural differences...
Bro, competition could have different meaning, for instance, in Kenya competition could mean fight between Jaluo and Kikuyu the least to say.
Yes, I agree 'Kenya lead by examples' like being the first nation in the EA block to visit Moreno O'campo in the Hague. Again, she 'killed' the EAC in 1977 for unjustifiable and stupid course. Lead by example!
I lived in Kenya for 6 years, I know her better than you do. I have been to Kerako, Kisii, Naivasha, Lamu, Isiyolo, South C, Nairobi, Kibera, Githurei, Machakos etc etc. If you still believe that 90% of Kenyans who live under abject poverty are better off than their counter part in the region, then you need to make an appointment with your psychiatric Dr for advice.
The main point in this discussion is to caution our government and not to stop Kenyans to pursue what is best for them.
We have gone through the ruthless from Nyayoland, we're still nursing the wound inflicted by 1977 moral decay!
This generation will not live to see that happen again!
As much as we love you, please stop innuendos in this forum. Give us time to discuss the fate of our country as you would like to discuss why 5% own 95% of wealth in Kenya.
It makes sense for SS to build their own refinery. I think they will rely on the one in Kenya until they complete one of their own. As for a rail link to the Port, I still cannot understand why they would need to use Tz. The geography does not add up.
It makes sense for SS to build their own refinery. I think they will rely on the one in Kenya until they complete one of their own. As for a rail link to the Port, I still cannot understand why they would need to use Tz. The geography does not add up.
Never mistaken the smartest chap Museveni he simply taught Kiir some economics basics before he let down his people and fall into a trap of constructing a refinery in Lamu instead of Juba! He will understand that otherwise Sir Museveni will whip his head to wake him up! BTW why crocodile tears on part of Kenya? Isn't this the country that yaps has no resources but blessed with industries, infrastructure and hard working people to keep the economy floating? The World never seize to amaze!This is what you call smartness on Musevenis part!! his move is an admission of failure..he thought to bypass Mombasa port for Dar..but Kibaki was the smartest...he gave Southern Sudan a better deal and brought in another partner Ethiopia.M7 feels inferior now.
The country that should be complaining now is Northern Sudan coz we have mercilessly denied them business forever!!.Museveni..now will be forced to use Kenya unwillingly to refine and export his oil and its products ,because of the infrastructural advantage Kenya has over Tanzania!.... the rail network will be used by electric trains(for us info)..from Lamu to juba and addis..but we will extend it to northern Uganda to give M7 more temptation.Museveni is screwed! he has no choice!!
But this does not discourage Uganda and Tanzania from going ahead with the rail network that was to be built....but u can have ua ties but let it not be coz of Kenya but for the mutual benefit of your two countries......enterprising Kenyans will be beneficiaries anyway....as things stands now Uganda is in our hand..we will decide her next move..and i don't think Museveni will go ahead with Tanzanian railway coz the Kenyan side is too juicy to be ignored
So Museveni was damn not smart..and there is nothing revolutionary in him economically
Never mistaken the smartest chap Museveni he simply taught Kiir some economics basics before he let down his people and fall into a trap of constructing a refinery in Lamu instead of Juba! He will understand that otherwise Sir Museveni will whip his head to wake him up! BTW why crocodile tears on part of Kenya? Isn't this the country that yaps has no resources but blessed with industries, infrastructure and hard working people to keep the economy floating? The World never seize to amaze!
I agree with you.are u always this mentally challenged ama today its a one off event? Kenya did alil marketting of its ambitions and bagged two states with it. Dont u think it takes a hardworking nation to convince two other nations to invest in its country infrastructure? In the past month alone havent u seen projects commisioned in Kenya, name it, kibera housing, Great lakes university and mombasa-likoni bypass roads to mention afew. Thats hardwork, a mark of optism. Can the same be equated to Tz?!?!
God gave nothing to u greedy people! Tanzania is pity of her bros and srs in SS that Kenya is about to take them for granted (at the time they need a true neighbor) and import their crude and refine at Mombasa/Lamu and export back to SS or overseas! If this succeed it will be catastrophic to economic well-being of 8 mio. Southern Sudanese that their country heavily depends on their God given resource i.e. crude oil! For them to fully benefit of that resource they need to refine at home and use Lamu as a transit of their finished product i.e. petroleum or diesel or kerosene or LNG! I support Museveni's approach to wake up this greedy neighbors who nothing less of opportunists!
[/QUOTE]Nguruvi3;3446484]Hey! Does survival for the fittest synonymous to hypocrisy?
Just to remind you, this is an intellectual discourse, you can make a point without arrogance, abusive language, boisterous and the likes. I fully understand the cultural differences...
Bro, competition could have different meaning, for instance, in Kenya competition could mean fight between Jaluo and Kikuyu the least to say.
Yes, I agree 'Kenya lead by examples' like being the first nation in the EA block to visit Moreno O'campo in the Hague. Again, she 'killed' the EAC in 1977 for unjustifiable and stupid reasons. Lead by example!
I lived in Kenya for 6 years, I know her better than you do. I have been to Kerako, Kisii, Naivasha, Lamu, Isiyolo, South C, Nairobi, Kibera, Githurei, Machakos etc etc. If you still believe that 90% of Kenyans who live under abject poverty are better off than their counter part in the region, then you need to make an appointment with your psychiatry Dr for advice.
The main point in this discussion is to caution our government and not to stop Kenyans to pursue what is best for them.
We have gone through the ruthless from Nyayoland, we're still nursing the wound and pain inflicted by 1977 moral decay! This generation will not live to see that happen again!
As much as we love you, please stop innuendos in this forum. Give us time to discuss the fate of our country as you would like to discuss why 5% own 95% of wealth in Kenya.
I Pity you..why do you Tanzanians like living in the past!and i cant say you are good history students either!!..whatever happened in 1977 is history we must burry it but learn from it! thats why Mkapa,Moi,Museveni agreed to revive the Union....for your case...am sorry i cant blame you ..your educational system needs an overhaul....coz its products are out of tune!Allow me to reiterate that the discussion is all about Tanzania, nothing to do with Kenya. In case our neighbors want to join us in discussion , then, adjustment of tone, civility and communication skills is imperative
I'm an average Tanzanian, my level of education is less or equivalent to Kibera and mathare standard.
I appreciate your suggestion to overhaul our education system, I would also suggest your country to introduce communication skills, civility and 'ritual' subjects in the best curriculum you already have.
Back to business! Let me set the record clear. I know Nyayos don't want to hear about this, but history has a tendency to repeat itself therefore erudite will never think about burying it.
1. In 1963 it was proposed to have EA federation post colonial era. The proposal was based on the geo-political, economy, proximity and cultural intermingling of the member states.Mwai Kibaki the then Makaradara constituent MP voted against the motion.
2. In 1977, 23 million people presumably the 'most educated' in the region were taken hostage by Mount Kenya Mafia under Njonjo and kenyatta. By then, Mwai Kibaki was a senior officer in the government and his participation to kill the EAC cannot be ruled out by intelligent people.
3. 2008 the same Kibaki divided Kenya in line of ethnicity which resulted into loss of 1500 civilians, millions of orphans, disabled, widows and widower.
4. Four years ago, Kibaki was about to wage a war against Uganda over 1 sqkm Migingo Island.
If you think history is not a best teacher, then you're defeating the whole concept of good education from Nyayoland.