KDF military discipline in peril

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Kenyan troops stationed in Somalia are involved in a $400 million sugar-smuggling ring that also involves the militant group Al-Shabab, a report by investigative journalists in Kenya has alleged.

AFP reported that a paper, issued on Thursday by the Nairobi Journalists for Justice group, detailed how Kenyan Defence Forces (KDF) stationed in Somalia illegally tax every bag of sugar and every piece of charcoal that leaves the Somali port of Kismayo. Al-Shabab, which is based in Somalia but frequently launches attacks in Kenya, also has a sizeable stake in the racket.

The report has been dismissed by the Kenyan government, with a spokesperson calling it "absolute garbage," according to Reuters Africa.

According to the report—which the journalists said was based on interviews with U.N. officials and serving Kenyan military officers, among others—150,000 tonnes of sugar enters Kenya illegally via Kismayo each year. The racket is worth between $200 million and $400 million, the report stated, with the KDF, Al-Shabab and the administration of Jubaland—an autonomous region in southern Somalia—all having substantial stakes in the profits.

The report also alleged that KDF forces tax charcoal leaving Kismayo, and that the combined earnings from sugar and charcoal total $50 million per year. Additionally, the report accused Kenyan forces of widespread human rights violations and of conducting airstrikes in Somalia that were targeting civilians rather than Al-Shabab training camps.

"The corruption and human rights abuses undermine Kenya's goals in Somalia, provide funds and propaganda to Al-Shabab, and ultimately result in the deaths of hundreds of innocent Kenyans," the report concluded.

A spokesperson for the Kenyan army, Colonel David Obonyo, denied all the allegations and rejected the notion they were cooperating with Al-Shabab in the sugar or charcoal trade.

"How can you sit down with [Al-Shabab] one minute, and the next you are killing each other?" said Obonyo, according to AFP.

KDF forces are currently stationed in Somalia as part of the African Union Mission in Somalia (AMISOM), which is a 22,000-strong peacekeeping mission seeking to stabilize the country and disrupt Al-Shabab's activities. Nevertheless, Al-Shabab still managed to launch an attack in April on Garissa University in Kenya, killing 148 people.

Kenyan forces invaded Somalia in 2011 and took control of Kismayo in 2012, seizing a stockpile of millions of bag of charcoal. Exports of charcoal from Somalia were banned by the U.N. in 2012 for fear that it was funding the militant group. However, a report by the U.N. Monitoring Group on Somalia released in October found widespread violations of the export ban.

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Hii news ya 2013 KDF no longer controls kismayu but Somalia southern sector yote Jubaland

Secondly KDF are paid 3 times what TPDF are paid and those working in somalia Earn 192,000kshs a month...... Mnapang'ang'a mob sana......


What else will u say tomorrow????

KDF are too weak to fight alshabaab or KDF THIS THAT....
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FYI KDF HAS BEEN IN SOMALIA FOR 5YRS with only 200 deaths
 
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Hii news ya 2013 KDF no longer controls kismayu but Somalia southern sector yote Jubaland

Secondly KDF are paid 3 times what TPDF are paid and those working in somalia Earn 192,000kshs a month...... Mnapang'ang'a mob sana......


What else will u say tomorrow????

Surely we will have something new to speak about.
Kenyan thuggery is everlasting, it just shape shifts.
So something new is about to come, don't worry my friend.
:D:D:D:D
 
Kutoka garissa attack 2015 April hakuna news za terrorism imewai tokea Kenya


Toka el adde attack 42 commanders wa HSM wameuliwa na KDF sasa mumekosa hoja mnaanza kuleta news za 2013 - 12-11. Pathetic
 
Kutoka garissa attack 2015 April hakuna news za terrorism imewai tokea Kenya


Toka el adde attack 42 commanders wa HSM wameuliwa na KDF sasa mumekosa hoja mnaanza kuleta news za 2013 - 12-11. Pathetic
Personally, I'm not surprised. This is their typical behaviour.
 
Personally, I'm not surprised. This is their typical behaviour.


I copy pasted the first paragraph of this thread on Google look at the Dates on this Article in like 5 different news sites
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Pathetic Mann!!!!

You just sit down and wish "aaaaah!!! I wish a bomb exploded in Nairobi right now so I could laugh at the dead souls and Kenyans in general.... But since it isn't possible here is a 2015 article about KDF" unaaibisha jina YAKO!!
 
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Pathetic Mann!!!!

You just sit down and wish "aaaaah!!! I wish a bomb exploded in Nairobi right now so I could laugh at the dead souls and Kenyans in general.... But since it isn't possible here is a 2015 article about KDF" unaaibisha jina YAKO!!
I didn't mean KDF,I meant these Tzs on JF.
 
Hii news ya 2013 KDF no longer controls kismayu but Somalia southern sector yote Jubaland

Secondly KDF are paid 3 times what TPDF are paid and those working in somalia Earn 192,000kshs a month...... Mnapang'ang'a mob sana......


What else will u say tomorrow????

KDF are too weak to fight alshabaab or KDF THIS THAT.... View attachment 351982

FYI KDF HAS BEEN IN SOMALIA FOR 5YRS with only 200 deaths

What an awkward analogy!
U.S.A fought a conventional warfare against a legitimate Taliban government.
Kenya and its K.D.F is fighting an asymmetrical warfare against The Al-shabab who employs unconventional means of warfare.

The result of the Kenyan holy Crusade would be very obvious.
Casualties would be minimal but too embarrassing for the Kenyan authorities.
That's the Modus Eperandi of all the guerrilla groups in the world.
I hear your government threats to withdraw the K.D.F from Somalia. (which would spare the lives of innocent Kenyans dying for the Corrupt Gikuyu Oligarchs living in their Mansions in Nairobi)
 
Yeah alshabaab was also a military outfit with a court system schools and all that mpaka tukawaeza ndio wakaanza kujilipua show me 1 suicide attack pre 2013 dimwit
 
Yeah alshabaab was also a military outfit with a court system schools and all that mpaka tukawaeza ndio wakaanza kujilipua show me 1 suicide attack pre 2013 dimwit

Good Lord!
Mimi nazungumzia Modes of war in response to the analogy you have just made.
Marekani ilivyovamia Afghanistan ilipigana na jeshi la nchi yote, na wakaweza kuwa na casualties ndogo.(Conventional Warfare)
Kenya mlivamia Somalia kupigana na kundi mnaloliita la Kigaidi na siyo nchi ya Somalia. (Assymetrical Warfare)

Sasa kwa kulinganisha na kusema K.D.F imekaa muda kidogo na casualties zimekuwa ndogo kuliko za U.S.A its a daydream my friend.
And Kenyan force stationed in Somalia is considerably bigger than the Al-Shabaab in almost three folds.
The K.D.F is well equipped, trained, well funded by the Washington; London and Tel-Aviv, and gets a bulk of intelligence from foreign agencies.
But Al-Shabaab which is ill-equipped and funded manages to throw a massive blow to your government.

Wewe huoni kama kuna walakini hapo kwenye vyombo vyenu vya Usalama?
 
Stupid analogy fit for the title of Idiot nambar one!KDF has never been at war with Somalia,its government or its army,that we all know.If alshabaab is not a terrorist organisation,then what is it?Freedom fighters?Rebels?What the fudge!For someone with so much knowlegde of the cock-and-bull story of sugar this,charcoal that,its a wonder that you dont even know the reason Kenya decided to send its troops to Somalia!
 
Stupid anology fit for the title of Idiot nambar one!KDF has never been at war with Somalia,its government or its army,that we all know.If alshabaab is not a terrorist organisation,what is it?Freedom fighters?Rebels?What the fudge!For someone with so much knowlegde of the cock-and-bull story of sugar this,charcoal that,its a wonder that you dont even know the reason Kenya decided to send its troops to Somalia!

If your brains were a dynamite, they wouldn't be strong enough to blow your head off!
:D:D:D:D:D
 
Stop fighting wrong enermy, Tanzania is your home! The point here is KDF's military discipline in peril, which was also evident in 2013's Wastegate saga. By the way, is there anything done to clean-up the mess in military?
 
Good Lord!
Mimi nazungumzia Modes of war in response to the analogy you have just made.
Marekani ilivyovamia Afghanistan ilipigana na jeshi la nchi yote, na wakaweza kuwa na casualties ndogo.(Conventional Warfare)
Kenya mlivamia Somalia kupigana na kundi mnaloliita la Kigaidi na siyo nchi ya Somalia. (Assymetrical Warfare)

Sasa kwa kulinganisha na kusema K.D.F imekaa muda kidogo na casualties zimekuwa ndogo kuliko za U.S.A its a daydream my friend.
And Kenyan force stationed in Somalia is considerably bigger than the Al-Shabaab in almost three folds.
The K.D.F is well equipped, trained, well funded by the Washington; London and Tel-Aviv, and gets a bulk of intelligence from foreign agencies.
But Al-Shabaab which is ill-equipped and funded manages to throw a massive blow to your government.

Wewe huoni kama kuna walakini hapo kwenye vyombo vyenu vya Usalama?
hahahaha as if you were there to witness what you are claiming in Afghanistan........the mainstream media.
 
Stupid analogy fit for the title of Idiot nambar one!KDF has never been at war with Somalia,its government or its army,that we all know.If alshabaab is not a terrorist organisation,then what is it?Freedom fighters?Rebels?What the fudge!For someone with so much knowlegde of the cock-and-bull story of sugar this,charcoal that,its a wonder that you dont even know the reason Kenya decided to send its troops to Somalia!
Forgive him he must talk about sugar coz magu has failed to provide even basic needs to bongolala.
 
What an awkward analogy!
U.S.A fought a conventional warfare against a legitimate Taliban government.
Kenya and its K.D.F is fighting an asymmetrical warfare against The Al-shabab who employs unconventional means of warfare.

The result of the Kenyan holy Crusade would be very obvious.
Casualties would be minimal but too embarrassing for the Kenyan authorities.
That's the Modus Eperandi of all the guerrilla groups in the world.
I hear your government threats to withdraw the K.D.F from Somalia. (which would spare the lives of innocent Kenyans dying for the Corrupt Gikuyu Oligarchs living in their Mansions in Nairobi)
If you really new anything about mordan warfare, you would know that fighting an unconventional force is much difficult.

and you should also know what you are talking about.
The US is a world power that has fought bigger nations conventionally... the talibal didnt stand a chance fighting a head to head conventional war against the US. the talibal suffered a devastatind defeat against the US. they were completely dominated in the air. and the conventional bit of the war ended long time ago back in 2012 with minimum casualties.
then the taliban moved into the mountains, the sunni govt supported by US too over and the shiats and other militants including al-Qaeda and other disgruntled grops started an insurgency by using unconventional means to achieve there goals... thats when the casualties started comming......

US had to patrol the streets and thats when they started getting ambushed, supply trucks were raided, infact, by 2009, most deaths on the coalition forces were as a result of IEDs set on the roadsides or inside buildings ... and when the troops came out of thier humvees to search for ieds on the road, they were sniped...... and thats when the US also changed tactics, instead of large regular forces, they instead deployed special forces (by their definition they use unconventional means) , they conducted raids and ambushes on the enemy, and thats how the pushed thwm back, when the taliban or other groups heard special forces were comming, they would scater and disapeare, the SF were ruthless... but civilian casualties also increased.

anyway.... what am saying is there is no diffence btn the war the US was fighting after 2012 and the war amisom is fighting, the only diffence is the scale.
the militants in afghan had unlimited supply of cash (I mean if they could even aford to fund other terrorist groups in forwgn countries) but they were equally matched by the resources the us deployed...attavh hellos, air support, med evac, satelite, attach drones...

in 2007, alshabaab was estimated to be ariund 11, 000.
by the end of 2012 they were estimated around 7, 000... remember btn that period,
an estimated 3, 000 foregn fighters from EA had joined their ranks
.. KDF alone had killed 3, 000+ militants, there is Uganda, ethiopia, burundi, sieraleaone. and Somalia itself...

alshabaab have tried every trick in the book to defeat amisom. when kdf first set foit there, alshabaab used to fight for territory and defend there positions, when it dint works, they tried ambushing, when it dint work, they turned their focus on soft targets... thats when bombings started in kenya against civilian targets,... they have been changing tactics eversince..


the US with all the military power in the world has spent 13 years in m.east..... look what has happened.... they killed 1 snake, 2 heads grew (alqaeda, taliban) they killed the two heads, and now four heads gwowing from all sides..... Iraq forcea are now fighting ISIS... infact I would say afghanistan and Iraq are in worse state than whe the us first set foot there... the violenve is much worse... so pls, spare us the BS, KDF have done much better to restore peace in somalia


former AS bases have been restored back to schools, people play fotbal on the streets,go to swim on the beach something wich was forbiden..... and you hardly hear of any civilian deaths in kismayu and southern side of somalia. to me, that is something even the us failed to provide for somalia
 
Kenyan troops stationed in Somalia are involved in a $400 million sugar-smuggling ring that also involves the militant group Al-Shabab, a report by investigative journalists in Kenya has alleged.

AFP reported that a paper, issued on Thursday by the Nairobi Journalists for Justice group, detailed how Kenyan Defence Forces (KDF) stationed in Somalia illegally tax every bag of sugar and every piece of charcoal that leaves the Somali port of Kismayo. Al-Shabab, which is based in Somalia but frequently launches attacks in Kenya, also has a sizeable stake in the racket.

The report has been dismissed by the Kenyan government, with a spokesperson calling it "absolute garbage," according to Reuters Africa.

According to the report—which the journalists said was based on interviews with U.N. officials and serving Kenyan military officers, among others—150,000 tonnes of sugar enters Kenya illegally via Kismayo each year. The racket is worth between $200 million and $400 million, the report stated, with the KDF, Al-Shabab and the administration of Jubaland—an autonomous region in southern Somalia—all having substantial stakes in the profits.

The report also alleged that KDF forces tax charcoal leaving Kismayo, and that the combined earnings from sugar and charcoal total $50 million per year. Additionally, the report accused Kenyan forces of widespread human rights violations and of conducting airstrikes in Somalia that were targeting civilians rather than Al-Shabab training camps.

"The corruption and human rights abuses undermine Kenya's goals in Somalia, provide funds and propaganda to Al-Shabab, and ultimately result in the deaths of hundreds of innocent Kenyans," the report concluded.

A spokesperson for the Kenyan army, Colonel David Obonyo, denied all the allegations and rejected the notion they were cooperating with Al-Shabab in the sugar or charcoal trade.

"How can you sit down with [Al-Shabab] one minute, and the next you are killing each other?" said Obonyo, according to AFP.

KDF forces are currently stationed in Somalia as part of the African Union Mission in Somalia (AMISOM), which is a 22,000-strong peacekeeping mission seeking to stabilize the country and disrupt Al-Shabab's activities. Nevertheless, Al-Shabab still managed to launch an attack in April on Garissa University in Kenya, killing 148 people.

Kenyan forces invaded Somalia in 2011 and took control of Kismayo in 2012, seizing a stockpile of millions of bag of charcoal. Exports of charcoal from Somalia were banned by the U.N. in 2012 for fear that it was funding the militant group. However, a report by the U.N. Monitoring Group on Somalia released in October found widespread violations of the export ban.

Source: xxx NEWS WEEK EUROPE



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Allegations were never proven. infact the guy that the monitoring group had used as a reliable source intrumental in the report later said that he never told them what they quoted him saying in the report. the burundians who are also in Kismayu and work side by side with KDF but were never accused explicitly said the report was malicious and coundnt be more wrong. The UN office in Kismayu which knows how the system works in the local area said it wasnt even involved in the investigation, when it was supposedly the one to do the monitoring.....



on the other hand. even if it was slightly true that someone coluded to import sugar iligally and profit from it. its unprofessional and a crime yeas.... But it does not compare to what Your special forces in DRC did to little children...... dispicable


Yaani the whole SF contigent had to be confined to their base.. nkt nkt nkt

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