FDLR echoes JK’s advise to kagame

[jMali]

Comments by Charles Kambanda

First, Theoneste Bagosora and Gen. Bizimungu who, as Kagame's propaganda goes, were " the chief architects" of the so-called Tutsi genocide, were acquitted on genocide and planing genocide charges. The international Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda records are available to prove this. If FDLR was being accused of " Tutsi genocide" because its founders were suspected of the " Tutsi genocide", then acquittal of FDLR founders on genocide and planning genocide charges should have vindicated FDLR.

Why has this not happened? The answer is that the so-called Tutsi genocide" is a myth Kagame and his American lobbyists are pushing down our throat for two major reasons: (a) to cover Kagame's own on-slaughter of the Hutu and some Tutsi which was the then rebels' strategy to terrorize Rwanda and create chaos which would lead them to power; Kagame's strategy worked to his satisfaction. I am not saying that the Hutu side did not butcher some Tutsi. I contest the victor's narrative that it's the Hutu side only that butchered people during the 1994 massacres in Rwanda. I have personal knowledge of what really happened during the massacres.

Likewise, there is enormous body of knowledge to prove that Kagame and his lobbyists' narrative is an international hoax. (b) Kagame's dictatorship is by design, not by default. The "genocide" crime is Kagame tool to silence and demonize any perceived or actual political and armed opposition Kagame is confronted with because of his insane brutality and dictatorship. Unfortunately, many western policy makers have bought in Kagame propaganda without critical thinking. Of course, Kagame pays the most extensive Washington DC and London lobbyists to sustain his propaganda.

Second, the International Criminal Court ( ICC) arrested and prosecuted all FDLR top political leaders. These FDLR political leaders were arrested because of Kagame's wide spread propaganda that FDLR committed atrocities in DRC. However, the ICC set free these FDLR political leaders because they had no case to answer. That was last year. Which atrocities did FDLR commit in DRC for which the ICC could not hold FDLR politica leaders accountable? Third, last year, the ICC examined the top FDLR military commander's alleged crimes.

The ICC trial court found that there was no prima facie case for the Court to issue arrest warrants for the FDLR top military commander. Under pressure from Kagame and his lobbyists, the ICC prosecutor appealed. The appeals court accepted to issue arrest warrants for FDLR top military commander. Questions: (a) if, as Kagame's propaganda goes, FDLR is such a criminal organization, why didn't prosecution have basic evidence to convince the ICC to issue arrest warrants for FDLR top military commander?

(b) if ICC prosecutor did not have a prima facie case to issue arrest warrants, where on earth will the ICC find evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to secure conviction?

(c) where is the evidence for the alleged FDLR crimes if the ICC failed to find prima facie case for FDLR's top military boss? It should be noted that there was so much lobbying for the ICC appeals court to issue arrest warrants for the top FDLR military commander. Kagame had refused to hand over his Tutsi commander who was accused of committing horrible crimes in DRC under Kagame's orders.

Kagame insisted that he would hand over Bosco Ntaganda, the terminator, only if the court issued arrest warrants for the Hutu rebel leader Gen. Mudacumura, the top FDLR military commander. FDLR top military commander's ICC arrest warrants, which Kagame and his lobbyists secured on appeal, are but a political compromise. Why did they have to lobby so much for the ICC to issue arrest warrants - moreover on appeal, if FDLR is rightly accused of those crimes? This defeats logic and common sense.

It's only suitable for Kagame's American lobbyists. I guess. All the original FDLR commanders abandoned FDLR and joined Kagame troops, allegedly bought off. None of those former top FDLR has ever been prosecuted for the genocide FDLR is accused of.

On the other hand, a Spanish and French courts have issued international arrest warrants for Kagame and his top Tutsi commanders for international crimes including genocide and terrorism. Those arrest warrants stand to date. There are innumerable international reports that have detailed Kagame's horrific crimes during the civil war he commanded from 1990 to 1994. Notable among these reports is the UNHCR sponsored investigations led by Gersony ( the famous Gersony report).

This report concluded that the dead bodies which floated on L. Victoria in 1993/4 were actually Hutu victims of Kagame's brutal war and orders; Kagame and his rebels butchered and dumped innocent Hutu civilians in streams and Rivers in their rebel controlled territory. Kagame butchered some Tutsi under Kagame rebel controlled territory too.

That was the source of the infamous L. Victoria floating dead bodies in 1993/4. The UN Mapping report is categorical; Kagame butchered close to 6 million people in DRC. The report accuses Kagame and his assassins of war crimes, crimes against humanity and possibly genocide.

That's a UN report. In recent months, the United Nations Security Council adopted a UNSC group of experts report " as is" which accuses M23 - Kagame's suicidal " rebel" troops in DRC - of international crimes. Questions: ( a) where does Kagame get the moral authority to accuse FDLR of international crimes and genocide?

(b) if FDLR is disqualified for any peace talks because it is accused of genocide, how is Kagame and his Tutsi clique in power, who is accused of international crimes and genocide, qualify to be the president of Rwanda?

It should be remembered that the then ICTR prosecutor was ready to prosecute Kagame and his former rebel fighters for crimes under the ICTR jurisdiction. These crimes include genocide. When the then prosecutor, Carl DePonte, tried to secure arrest warrants for Kagame and his officials, Kagame ran to the US for protection.

The then US president, Bush, ordered the ICTR to desist from prosecuting Kagame and his men because Kagame is a US ally. The then ICTR decided to resign instead of betraying the Oath of Office she took. Carl DePonte has written innumerable books and articles where she states the relevant facts. Question: (a) are the Hutu being prosecuted at the ICTR simply because they are not US allies?

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[Msolopagaz]

Hayo masharti yao walo toa yakifanikiwa Kagame hana chake.Pia nmeupenda msimamo ya Tz juu ya hii ishu.

 

[Ngongo]

Kagame anawaogopa hao majamaa nadhani kila siku anawaota.

 

[Snipper]

Pk ni sawa na mbwa kichaa ambae dawa yake ni moja tu na iko jikoni. Ipo cku atapewa dawa yake na Rwanda itakuwa huru na yenye haki.

 

[MUKAMASIMBA]

Pk ni sawa na mbwa kichaa ambae dawa yake ni moja tu na iko jikoni. Ipo cku atapewa dawa yake na Rwanda itakuwa huru na yenye haki.

kichaa ni wewe,pk ni kiongozi anaye kubalika rwanda..na nimarayakwanza wanyarwanda wanakua huru ambapo kila mtu anahaki ya kusoma,kufanya kazi,kutibiwa nk bila ubaguzi...muulize jmali hapo wakati wa utawala wa habyarimana ilikuaje kwa watusi?? hata wahutu wa kusini hawakua na opportunities kama wa kaskazini.

 

[MUKAMASIMBA]

Kagame anawaogopa hao majamaa nadhani kila siku anawaota.

anawaogopa?? au hao FDLR na vibaka wenzake ndio wanaogopa?nyie tulieni muone jinsi movie inavyo chezwa.

 

[jMali]

kichaa ni wewe,pk ni kiongozi anaye kubalika rwanda..na nimarayakwanza wanyarwanda wanakua huru ambapo kila mtu anahaki ya kusoma,kufanya kazi,kutibiwa nk bila ubaguzi...muulize jmali hapo wakati wa utawala wa habyarimana ilikuaje kwa watusi?? hata wahutu wa kusini hawakua na opportunities kama wa kaskazini.

matatizo ya ukabila kwa habyarimana yalikuwapo, hiyo sio sababu ya watutsi asilimia 15 kutawala wenzao asilimia 85! Kinachotakiwa ni haki na demokrasia. Pili, kagame kaua wanyarwanda wasio na hatia toka mwaka 1990, hajachukuliwa hatua zozote, tatu kagame amefanya mauaji ya kimbari DRC according to UN reports, mauaji yaliyosababisha wakimbizi wa kihutu kusambaratikia misituni na kugeuka FDLR, hajachukuliwa hatua yoyote....hilo ndio tatizo.

 

[jMali]

anawaogopa?? au hao FDLR na vibaka wenzake ndio wanaogopa?nyie tulieni muone jinsi movie inavyo chezwa.

operesheni amani yetu, kimia 1, kimia2 ....nani alishinda? sio hao hao "vibaka"? Nani alishutumu UN kuwa inasaidia "vibaka"? sio huyo huyo pepe kale? pepe hawezi lolote, anachoweza ni kubweka tu mbele ya wanyarwanda kuwa "nitamhit fulani" baaas! Mwoga kama kuku!

 

[MUKAMASIMBA]

operesheni amani yetu, kimia 1, kimia2 ....nani alishinda? sio hao hao "vibaka"? Nani alishutumu UN kuwa inasaidia "vibaka"? sio huyo huyo pepe kale? pepe hawezi lolote, anachoweza ni kubweka tu mbele ya wanyarwanda kuwa "nitamhit fulani" baaas! Mwoga kama kuku!

wewe hujui kilichotendeka,hizo operation zote ndizo zilizo rudisha FDLR 10000 nyumbani kwao,safari hii waliobakia lazima warudi kwao.

 

[MUKAMASIMBA]

matatizo ya ukabila kwa habyarimana yalikuwapo, hiyo sio sababu ya watutsi asilimia 15 kutawala wenzao asilimia 85! Kinachotakiwa ni haki na demokrasia. Pili, kagame kaua wanyarwanda wasio na hatia toka mwaka 1990, hajachukuliwa hatua zozote, tatu kagame amefanya mauaji ya kimbari DRC according to UN reports, mauaji yaliyosababisha wakimbizi wa kihutu kusambaratikia misituni na kugeuka FDLR, hajachukuliwa hatua yoyote....hilo ndio tatizo.

yani unalalamika kama mtoto aliyedekezwa na wazazi,nikuulize kikwete kabila lake ni asilimia ngapi ya watanzania wote??kuhusu demokrasia kwani hapakufanyika uchaguzi?hapakuwepo observers?au ndio ukabila?? wanyarwanda sikuhizi ukabila wameuweka pembeni kumebakia hao wanao bweka huko ulaya,hakuna mauaji ya kimbali yaliyotokea congo...jamaa walikufa kwa kipindupindu na njaaa...na wengine waliuawa na maimai za huko congo...sasa msilete uzushi.

 

[jMali]

wewe hujui kilichotendeka,hizo operation zote ndizo zilizo rudisha FDLR 10000 nyumbani kwao,safari hii waliobakia lazima warudi kwao.

tehetehe tehe, so let me get this straight, you went you beat them up, killed them and then you offered the remaining guys houses, farms, ng'ombe, and the most senior ones (rwakarabije etc) positions in government? wow! just wow!

 

[jMali]

yani unalalamika kama mtoto aliyedekezwa na wazazi,nikuulize kikwete kabila lake ni asilimia ngapi ya watanzania wote??kuhusu demokrasia kwani hapakufanyika uchaguzi?hapakuwepo observers?au ndio ukabila?? wanyarwanda sikuhizi ukabila wameuweka pembeni kumebakia hao wanao bweka huko ulaya,hakuna mauaji ya kimbali yaliyotokea congo...jamaa walikufa kwa kipindupindu na njaaa...na wengine waliuawa na maimai za huko congo...sasa msilete uzushi.

1. hata argument hujui, TZ hatuna makabila mawili tunayo 120! Mfano unao-apply kwa Rwanda ni burundi.
2. kuhusu DRC, mimi sija-observe ni UN ndio iliyotoa ripoti, bishana nayo kama unaweza, si unajua UN that organization that Rwanda chaired a council of in 2013-2014?? yah, that one.

 

[Commanche]

FDLR lazima wapigwe. Hawa wakina Zuma waache unafiki kutaka kuwatetea wauaji hawa. Nimependezwa na msimamo wa Dos Santos kukataa mapendekezo ya kihayawani ya Zuma kutaka special seating ya SADC kujadili suala la FDLR. Mbona walipowashambulia wapiganaji wa M23 hakukuitwa special seating? Ukweli ni kuwa baadhi ya watawala wa South Africa na Tanzania zina maslahi binafsi mashariki mwa Congo. Wanajua uondokaji wa FDLR utawaharibia mipango yao na uvunaji wa rasilimali za Congo unaoendelewa na kulindwa na wauaji wa FDLR.

Kwa nini vijana wetu wa TPDF wauawe kwa maslahi binafsi ya wapumbavu wachache? Wa-Tanzania tusiwe mambumbumbu kufikiri hawa FDLR wanatetewa kwa minajili ya upendo for the hutu. Si kweli. Ni kweli kuna viongozi hawampendi Kagame coz he outshines them in every aspect and gets more props from the region and internationally for his stellar performance as a disciplined strong leader. Unlike the likes of Zuma i.e. illiterate sexual perverts who believe washing ones penis after sex or drinking muti cures Aids. The conflict in Congo is about Congolese resources! Mtaniambia, tuombe uzima.

 

[yaliyomoyamo]

Siku za kagame zinahesabika tu,, anajua hao FDLR wanamtani sana,,, sasa hivi pressure inapanda inashuka,,, kagame apigwe

 

[jMali]

FDLR lazima wapigwe. Hawa wakina Zuma waache unafiki kutaka kuwatetea wauaji hawa. Nimependezwa na msimamo wa Dos Santos kukataa mapendekezo ya kihayawani ya Zuma kutaka special seating ya SADC kujadili suala la FDLR. Mbona walipowashambulia wapiganaji wa M23 hakukuitwa special seating? Ukweli ni kuwa baadhi ya watawala wa South Africa na Tanzania zina maslahi binafsi mashariki mwa Congo. Wanajua uondokaji wa FDLR utawaharibia mipango yao na uvunaji wa rasilimali za Congo unaoendelewa na kulindwa na wauaji wa FDLR.

Kwa nini vijana wetu wa TPDF wauawe kwa maslahi binafsi ya wapumbavu wachache? Wa-Tanzania tusiwe mambumbumbu kufikiri hawa FDLR wanatetewa kwa minajili ya upendo for the hutu. Si kweli. Ni kweli kuna viongozi hawampendi Kagame coz he outshines them in every aspect and gets more props from the region and internationally for his stellar performance as a disciplined strong leader. Unlike the likes of Zuma i.e. illiterate sexual perverts who believe washing ones penis after sex or drinking muti cures Aids. The conflict in Congo is about Congolese resources! Mtaniambia, tuombe uzima.

M23 waliendelea kusikilizwa 2 months baada ya deadline, tena unlike FDLR, M23 were fighting! FDLR wameweka silaha chini ingawa sio zote, they are not fighting anyone, they have said numerous times they prefer talks to their problems with Rwanda, wewe unasema wapigwe, kwa lipi? Why do you want to fight a non-agressive people? Why is it that the calls for fighting FDLR are coming from Rwanda and not DRC, while FDLR have never posed any threat to Rwanda?
Pili, chagua moja au yote, tunamchukia kagame kwa sababu anafanya vizuri au tunagombania DRC resources? which is which?

 

[Commanche]

M23 waliendelea kusikilizwa 2 months baada ya deadline, tena unlike FDLR, M23 were fighting! FDLR wameweka silaha chini ingawa sio zote, they are not fighting anyone, they have said numerous times they prefer talks to their problems with Rwanda, wewe unasema wapigwe, kwa lipi? Why do you want to fight a non-agressive people? Why is it that the calls for fighting FDLR are coming from Rwanda and not DRC, while FDLR have never posed any threat to Rwanda?
Pili, chagua moja au yote, tunamchukia kagame kwa sababu anafanya vizuri au tunagombania DRC resources? which is which?

FDLR a "non-aggressive people"?? jMali please!! You don't seriously believe this nonsense. Kawaulize wakazi wa mashariki ya Congo wakwambie "ukarimu" wa FDLR. Hawa jamaa ni nduli na makatili wa hali ya juu, hawana dini. The deadline has passed na bado hawataki kulaza silaha chini. Wamesurrender less than a hundred terrorists wewe unasema hawako aggressive. Juzi tu tumepata habara FDLR inareinforce its ranks.

Wamepokea magaidi 4,000 kutoka Zambia na Congo-Brazzavile na Congo yenyewe. Hawa watu hawataki amani becauset is not in their interest kwa kuwa wanajua mikono yao imejaa damu ya Tutsi na wise Hutu waliowaua mwaka 1994. Hawa wanajua fika kuwa wakirudi Rwanda ni mahakamani moja kwa moja. Kikundi hiki cha wauaji kimeshika mateka maelfu ya innocent hutu refugees who are longing to go back home to reap the fruits of Kagame unwavering and prosperous leadership. Masikini wa Mungu wameshikwa kifungoni na madhalimu mabazazi wauaji wa FDLR. Muda umepita, wamekataa kuangusha silaha na sasa ni kipigo ndio stahili yao. Wapigwe tu!

 

[jMali]

FDLR a "non-aggressive people"?? jMali please!! You don't seriously believe this nonsense. Kawaulize wakazi wa mashariki ya Congo wakwambie "ukarimu" wa FDLR. Hawa jamaa ni nduli na makatili wa hali ya juu, hawana dini. The deadline has passed na bado hawataki kulaza silaha chini. Wamesurrender less than a hundred terrorists wewe unasema hawako aggressive. Juzi tu tumepata habara FDLR inareinforce its ranks.

Wamepokea magaidi 4,000 kutoka Zambia na Congo-Brazzavile na Congo yenyewe. Hawa watu hawataki amani becauset is not in their interest kwa kuwa wanajua mikono yao imejaa damu ya Tutsi na wise Hutu waliowaua mwaka 1994. Hawa wanajua fika kuwa wakirudi Rwanda ni mahakamani moja kwa moja. Kikundi hiki cha wauaji kimeshika mateka maelfu ya innocent hutu refugees who are longing to go back home to reap the fruits of Kagame unwavering and prosperous leadership. Masikini wa Mungu wameshikwa kifungoni na madhalimu mabazazi wauaji wa FDLR. Muda umepita, wamekataa kuangusha silaha na sasa ni kipigo ndio stahili yao. Wapigwe tu!

1. mbona malalamiko hayatoki kwa hao wacongo? Hata waziri wa nje wa congo hatumsikii wala hatumjui, tunayemjua anayelialia kuhusu FDLR kila siku ni mushikiwabo, why? Hata membe alishangaa kipindi kile na kusema "....tukawa tukiwapiga M23 kilio kinatokea Rwanda...."
whether wana-recruit, wanafanyaje, let the congolese say it, sio nyie wanyarwanda. let the Monusco worry about that.
2. Narudia tena, hakuna kesi yoyote dhidi ya member yoyote wa FDLR nchini Rwanda concerning genocide, there is none! sasa unavyosema wakirudi wataenda moja kwa moja mahakamani, wataenda kwa kosa lipi? Most of them wamezaliwa DRC! Wewe kinachokusumbua ni roho ya chuki dhidi ya ndugu zako wahutu ndio maana unawaita "wide-nosed SOBs". these people have done nothing to you or anybody in Rwanda. The few senior members ambao walikuwapo in 1994 and could have participated in genocide ndio hao kina Gen Rwakarabije na Gen. Ngendahimana ambao wanapewa vyeo serikalini, sasa hapo kuna ukweli gani wa FDLR kuhusika na mauaji ya 1994? Wacha chuki ndugu yangu. Why are you advocating mauaji ya innocent people, majority of them children simply because they are hutus? Hivi dunia ingechukulia kuwa watutsi wote wakimbizi wa Uganda ni RPF/RPA na wanastahili kupigwa ingekuwaje wakati ule? Badala yake tukawaweka mezani even after committing atrocities against civilians for 4 years! Attitude zenu ndio zinafanya baadhi ya watu (mimi sio mmojawapo) kutukana watutsi jumla jumla, they start to sympathize with the interahamwe, that maybe interahamwe had a point in mass-wiping you people bila kujali raia or rebel. You can't be this hateful. Miaka yote ya kukaa bongo hujaambukizwa upendo tu?

 

[murutongore]

1. mbona malalamiko hayatoki kwa hao wacongo? Hata waziri wa nje wa congo hatumsikii wala hatumjui, tunayemjua anayelialia kuhusu FDLR kila siku ni mushikiwabo, why? Hata membe alishangaa kipindi kile na kusema "....tukawa tukiwapiga M23 kilio kinatokea Rwanda...."
whether wana-recruit, wanafanyaje, let the congolese say it, sio nyie wanyarwanda. let the Monusco worry about that.
2. Narudia tena, hakuna kesi yoyote dhidi ya member yoyote wa FDLR nchini Rwanda concerning genocide, there is none! sasa unavyosema wakirudi wataenda moja kwa moja mahakamani, wataenda kwa kosa lipi? Most of them wamezaliwa DRC! Wewe kinachokusumbua ni roho ya chuki dhidi ya ndugu zako wahutu ndio maana unawaita "wide-nosed SOBs". these people have done nothing to you or anybody in Rwanda. The few senior members ambao walikuwapo in 1994 and could have participated in genocide ndio hao kina Gen Rwakarabije na Gen. Ngendahimana ambao wanapewa vyeo serikalini, sasa hapo kuna ukweli gani wa FDLR kuhusika na mauaji ya 1994? Wacha chuki ndugu yangu. Why are you advocating mauaji ya innocent people, majority of them children simply because they are hutus? Hivi dunia ingechukulia kuwa watutsi wote wakimbizi wa Uganda ni RPF/RPA na wanastahili kupigwa ingekuwaje wakati ule? Badala yake tukawaweka mezani even after committing atrocities against civilians for 4 years! Attitude zenu ndio zinafanya baadhi ya watu (mimi sio mmojawapo) kutukana watutsi jumla jumla, they start to sympathize with the interahamwe, that maybe interahamwe had a point in mass-wiping you people bila kujali raia or rebel. You can't be this hateful. Miaka yote ya kukaa bongo hujaambukizwa upendo tu?

Upuuzi mtupu. Riwaya ndeeeefu full of Garbage. Hilo swali jiulize wewe unaehifadhiwa na watanzania.

 

[Bavaria]

Kwanin Kagame hataki kukaa meza moja na FDLR?? Kama M23 waliomba nafasi ya kukaa meza moja na kujadili tofauti zao kwanin sio FDLR!??

 

[jMali]

Upuuzi mtupu. Riwaya ndeeeefu full of Garbage. Hilo swali jiulize wewe unaehifadhiwa na watanzania.

najadili na commanche najibiwa na murutongore, typical! Ukijadili na lawmaina78 utajibiwa na mk254!, A "new" ID registered in 2013. So who are you murutongore, commanche, mgosi, mahoro??? why don't you guys pick one.