East African Federation (EAF) public Views

As East Africans in Kenya,Uganda,Rwanda and Burundi are celebrating the ushering in of EAC market protocol,Tanzanians are busy whining about this new dawn we have.Apart from few sensible ones I have talked t, majority are really ignorant about the benefits of this whole arrangement to them personally,they are busy dwelling on the negatives which with serious consideration they do not hold any water.
Their small minds tell them that now the rest of East Africans will invade Tanzania, as if this is the only EA country one can go to.Another complain is that they will not be able to compete with the rest of East Africans at the same level,if so ,am wondering whose fault is it!
How can a country with a land mass more than that of Kenya,Uganda,Rwanda and Burundi combined,blessed with natural resources which no other country can equal be so pessismistic about EAC when the truth is, if embraced it can benefit Tanzanians more than any other country.
Most East africans visiting Tanzania are still regarded as foreigners,they are being subjected to the same treatment as other foreigners,eg when visiting national parks they pay higher fees,until one has to lie that he is either from Arusha,Moshi or any town in Tz to evade this fees,where are we heading to?.
The attitude Tanzanians have towards other East africans is not welcoming.In Uganda and Rwanda things are totally different!why not in TZ!?That is why i think that,it is a high time Tanzania withdrew from EAC, let progressive minds move on,still your fears will still befall you.So long as you stll have the resources, minus the brains to utilise them,waiting for miracles to happen,WE will still come to dominate you,we have the both the intellectual and monetary capital that you cant match.It is either you accept competition,gain the experience then expoit your potential to the fullest or keep on whining while foreigners take over your country,however badly we may be treated we nothing will stop us from investing in Tanzania,most Kenyans have travelled to Burundi,Rwanda and Uganda to incorporate companies with great success within a short time,remember any citizen of E.A can sue any state or organisation within the EAC,in the E.A Supreme Court for breaching the terms of the protocol.I was happy the other day to find that the largest open air market in kenya, Gikomba,most traders are tanzanians,mostly ladies,people love them that is why they are still in business,another big market Wakulima market is full of Tanzanian trucks carrying various friuts and vegetables.Where does your fear come from!!

moyo said:

As East Africans in Kenya,Uganda,Rwanda and Burundi are celebrating the ushering in of EAC market protocol,Tanzanians are busy whining about this new dawn we have.Apart from few sensible ones I have talked t, majority are really ignorant about the benefits of this whole arrangement to them personally,they are busy dwelling on the negatives which with serious consideration they do not hold any water.
Their small minds tell them that now the rest of East Africans will invade Tanzania, as if this is the only EA country one can go to.Another complain is that they will not be able to compete with the rest of East Africans at the same level,if so ,am wondering whose fault is it!
How can a country with a land mass more than that of Kenya,Uganda,Rwanda and Burundi combined,blessed with natural resources which no other country can equal be so pessismistic about EAC when the truth is, if embraced it can benefit Tanzanians more than any other country.
Most East africans visiting Tanzania are still regarded as foreigners,they are being subjected to the same treatment as other foreigners,eg when visiting national parks they pay higher fees,until one has to lie that he is either from Arusha,Moshi or any town in Tz to evade this fees,where are we heading to?.
The attitude Tanzanians have towards other East africans is not welcoming.In Uganda and Rwanda things are totally different!why not in TZ!?That is why i think that,it is a high time Tanzania withdrew from EAC, let progressive minds move on,still your fears will still befall you.So long as you stll have the resources, minus the brains to utilise them,waiting for miracles to happen,WE will still come to dominate you,we have the both the intellectual and monetary capital that you cant match.It is either you accept competition,gain the experience then expoit your potential to the fullest or keep on whining while foreigners take over your country,however badly we may be treated we nothing will stop us from investing in Tanzania,most Kenyans have travelled to Burundi,Rwanda and Uganda to incorporate companies with great success within a short time,remember any citizen of E.A can sue any state or organisation within the EAC,in the E.A Supreme Court for breaching the terms of the protocol.I was happy the other day to find that the largest open air market in kenya, Gikomba,most traders are tanzanians,mostly ladies,people love them that is why they are still in business,another big market Wakulima market is full of Tanzanian trucks carrying various friuts and vegetables.Where does your fear come from!!

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Is this YOU????

The common market is not popular in our teritory because the eac protocal does not stipulate how it can filter traits (see the link below) from getting into our territory.
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Tanzanians are just confused. They don't know what to do about EAC 'cause they feel like someone wants to rob them off their underutilized potential. This is just protective phobia which i know and hope they'll overcome. With time.

Wakimbizi wana matatizo sana hata Ulaya na USA habari ni ile ile. Wengi wanafika ulaya lakini distination inayoliliwa kwa udi na uvumba ni UK wakati marekani ni USA. Watanzania wamefanya kazi kubwa kwa bara la Afrika sio siri hivi sasa wameingia nyumbani na wanaanza kusafisha EAC or whatever you call it Tanzanians will prevail.

Nyang'au hawana kwa kukimbilia kama walivoshindwa kwenda Sudan na Somalia time will tell. Wataendelea kuuana kama paka shume na kusubiri mabwana zao waje wawatungue kama tumbili.

RealDeal said:

Oh, Really? :lying:

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if that decades of democracy yield a tyrant Moi that killed many Kenyans who fought for Multipartism while in Tanzania no single bullet was fired! and if he himself had to be begged to emulate Nyereres statemanship and retire yet the good examples were coming from "a defacto single party country"! Can you call that democracy? If it took the Raila a Luo to nominate Kibaki a Kikuyu and forge an alliance (i.e. NARC) for an opposition to win and NOT GOOD POLICIES, can you on this earth dare to call decades of democracy? Of which country among great democracies can you compare with Kenya? probably the balkans :embarrassed1:! Guys get to your senses before nephotism kills you as people! with this kind of thinking among the majority of you you will slush yourselves again coming 2012! In Tanzania we have not been able to get opposition take the country and we will never use the methods Kenya used to please themselves with Democrycy while the house is burning! we have two strong opposition CUF and CHADEMA and we belive with time they will manage to convice the voters both parties have so far failed to convice the mass with CUF having the Islamic element and CHADEMA being the party that looks more of Northern regions than the whole country. They both know their weakness and i believe during this coming election they will get more Parliamentary seats to enable them take the county coming 2015! So keep yapping yourselves ati you are a model of democracy with those parochial politics you play everyday in that Kenya of yours!

Apart from the English language which is mixed up with that Luo, Kikuyu and what have you..............I have not seen much to be proud of as Kenyans intellectually as well as Ujanja wa kawaida!!

Bigirita said:

Apart from the English language which is mixed up with that Luo, Kikuyu and what have you..............I have not seen much to be proud of as Kenyans intellectually as well as Ujanja wa kawaida!!

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Wow.. was that really necessary??

Wacha1 said:

Wakimbizi wana matatizo sana hata Ulaya na USA habari ni ile ile. Wengi wanafika ulaya lakini distination inayoliliwa kwa udi na uvumba ni UK wakati marekani ni USA. Watanzania wamefanya kazi kubwa kwa bara la Afrika sio siri hivi sasa wameingia nyumbani na wanaanza kusafisha EAC or whatever you call it Tanzanians will prevail.

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Mkuu, umenena! WaTZ tutafunika, wee subiri tu. Lazima tutasafisha mioyo yao na mbongo zao, wataelewa somo tu. Tena muda si mferu.

Wacha1 said:

Nyang'au hawana kwa kukimbilia kama walivoshindwa kwenda Sudan na Somalia time will tell. Wataendelea kuuana kama paka shume na kusubiri mabwana zao waje wawatungue kama tumbili.

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Nyang'au watawafunza nyie jinsi dhahabu zilizo huko zinavyotumiwa, kwa vile inaonekana ni Nyang'au na SA pekee walio na akili hiyo.

Babuyao said:

Mkuu, umenena! WaTZ tutafunika, wee subiri tu. Lazima tutasafisha mioyo yao na mbongo zao, wataelewa somo tu. Tena muda si mferu.

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Heheheheee.. wacha woga weee.. If you allow me to give you some advise please: Just don't waste your time trying to outsmart the Nyang'au's cause in the meantime, they will be doing what they do best; business as usual.

tell them bro,wengi wao still wanaishi 1947 hawa,gold companies & mafisadi riping them off like no tomorrow wamebaki kulaumu EA tuu,the good thing hawa ni wapiga kelele tuu na hakuna kitu watafanya,the real power are smart & progressive ndio maana we are in,hizi humu are just nuisance noise....EA today,tomorrow and forever!

Geza Ulole said:

if that decades of democracy yield a tyrant Moi that killed many Kenyans who fought for Multipartism while in Tanzania no single bullet was fired! and if he himself had to be begged to emulate Nyereres statemanship and retire yet the good examples were coming from "a defacto single party country"! Can you call that democracy? If it took the Raila a Luo to nominate Kibaki a Kikuyu and forge an alliance (i.e. NARC) for an opposition to win and NOT GOOD POLICIES, can you on this earth dare to call decades of democracy? Of which country among great democracies can you compare with Kenya? probably the balkans :embarrassed1:! Guys get to your senses before nephotism kills you as people! with this kind of thinking among the majority of you you will slush yourselves again coming 2012! In Tanzania we have not been able to get opposition take the country and we will never use the methods Kenya used to please themselves with Democrycy while the house is burning! we have two strong opposition CUF and CHADEMA and we belive with time they will manage to convice the voters both parties have so far failed to convice the mass with CUF having the Islamic element and CHADEMA being the party that looks more of Northern regions than the whole country. They both know their weakness and i believe during this coming election they will get more Parliamentary seats to enable them take the county coming 2015! So keep yaping yourselves ati you are a model of democracy with those parochial politics you play everyday in that Kenya of yours!

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You simply portray Tanzanians as cowards. Kenya is proud of all those who contributed in making it possible for democracy. There is nowhere in the world where democracy was achieved by trying to kiss-an-ass. So if you can't fight for your democracy, autocracy will prevail.
BTW, what have you guys managed to do with your GOOD POLICY tales. I would like to know.
P.S: For your info "decades of democracy" doesn't mean a period we have gone through but the time that you guys will take to get to the status of Kenyan democracy.

Abdulhalim said:

Endelea kujijaza upepo. I no longer engage into exchange with a people with ZERO INPUT. Talk to the hand.

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...you lost go home.

Abdulhalim said:

You can remain optimistic, I don't blame you.

But for me I don't subscribe to blind optimism. I can't accept the notion that the common mwananchi will beenfit without showing how or when or in which part of the process? I have pointed some issues which seems valid to this point. One of them is that in Tz, the private sector is in dogs level. Small scale manufacturing , medium and micro economy is pathetic. We are importing even chopsticks and furniture!! You can say it is a problem of policy, but it is more that that. Traders are busy importing used cars and machineries, mitumba na madudu mengine, hizi ni substandards goods which suits the purchasing power of our poor masses.

Nataka kusema ni kwamba Tz like many other developing countries, we are not there yet in the situation where our economy can rely solely on free trade. Lazima watu waanze kwene grassroots kuwa na kuwa na strong middle class, small business na kujaza bidhaa local kwa masoko ya ndani KWANZA. Top down approach will never do it. Hizo foreign investment haziwezi kusaidia watu wetu na mfano nimetoa wa madini. We have more than a decade of experience. We had countless failed foreign investments, mind you those people were even given tax holidays ili watu-exploit vizuri zaidi! Lakini hali ya kipato is still bad bad bad.

We can't afford random opening of our markets hata kwene bidhaa za vyakula (wakati tupo na ardhi ya kutosha na kuweza kufanya umwagiliaji) na mambo mengine madogomadogo ambayo ni rahisi tu ku-produce locally. Masoko yanatakiwa yafunguliwe tu kwene bidhaa zile ambazo bado tuko nyuma kitechologia kuzitengeneza kama electronics, heavy machineries and the likes.

Developed countries are very good in close monitoring the balance between imports and exports. No country can develop without finding that balance,applying this top-down approaches will make Tz to become a permanent consumer and playground for other coutry to run into. People tend to forget that in Tz lots of people do not pay taxes. Sasa wakapoondoa au kupunguza tarrifs kwene imports ina maana funding kwene development will suffer, na atakayefaidika ni importer (pengine a local national) na manufacturer (wa nje), yaani ni sawa na case ya street beggar kugawana mkate wake na mtu mwingine asiye na shida..This is so lame.

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Hawa wanaoshinda kwenye mihadhara ya dini mnawaletea shirikisho? kwanza wanajua shirikisho ni nini?

Third worl countries made mistake to allow free trade, we are not in right platform to compete! the idea is good, but how far does the government has prepared her people in this so called shirikisho?

Tanzania leo kuna shule za kizungu na kiswahili! two systems of education in one country!

Nilikutana na Mganda mmoja akasema kiswahili kilizaliwa Tanzania Kikakulia Kenya na kuzikwa Uganda, kiingereza kilizaliwa Uganda kikakulia kenya na kufa Tanzania!

All in all siasa nyingi kuliko hali halisi, Tanzania siku hizi ni = DSM, na tunaposema waliosoma tunajifanya kama vile wote wamefika chuo kikuu

Mbona hamsemi swala la Lugha? watatumia ligha gani kuongea hawa watanzania na shule hizi za kata, maprofessor vyuo vikuu hawajui kiingereza, makondakta kampala wanajua kiingereza, hivi mnaposema ushirikiano huwa mnafikiria kweli na mnawajua hawa watanzania? au ni kusema vocabulary za B.comm, na kujifanya kama vile mnabusara! sio wote wamefika ulaya jamani

nawaonea huruma ndugu zangu wa mavipaza sauti ya mihadhara sijui kama wanajua haya maana wanawaza mahakama ya kadhi na wengine kupigana huko makanisani!

ukienda kenya wanasema wako mbele miaka 10 zaidi ya Tanzania,

Labda Kama wapemba walivyotoka pemba kuleta maduka DSM, tuone watz wangapi wataenda huko nje, na wangapi watabaki!

na sera zenu za kilimo kwanza, wakenya wataanza kulima kwa matrekta na kuwauzia humu humu! mpaka aje Mugabe wa TZ siku hizo na kusema ondokeni

watanzania ni mafundi wa kusema na kujua faida, si mafundi wa kujitayarisha na kuangalia wengine!

Tanzania bado, lini itakuwa tayari sijui, na sidhani kama maendeleo ni lazima kuungana! anayeuliza lini itakuwa tayari ajitayarishe kujibu lini ilishakuwa tayari!

Hamna aibu mpaka vijiti vya kuchokonoa meno mnaagiza mnataka shirikisho! mtauza kitu gani kenya, wakati ushamba wa maduka ya game na shoprite umewashika mlimani city wakati wenzenu kampala wanaona kama maduka ya mpemba!

mijitu imebaki tu, policy, investors, common market etc! kwani halikuwahi kuwepo hili shirikisho?

which democracy do u have? you are out of your mind! how many of those instigated the 2008 aftermath are in jails? or facing court proceedings? you even dont know if you will come out alive come 2012! If Napoleone used a sword 200 years before and you use the same means 2012! where has the human thinking and development gone? mna ukabila na si democracy na hakuna mtu atataka kupata that kind of what you call democracy! Can you have democracy without order?

as koba put it, EAC today, EAC tomorrow, EAC forever.

RealDeal said:

Heheheheee.. wacha woga weee.. If you allow me to give you some advise please: Just don't waste your time trying to outsmart the Nyang'au's cause in the meantime, they will be doing what they do best; business as usual.

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Wanachofahamu Kenya ni kutumiwa na mabwana zao UK sio siri ni jalala lao nani hafahamu? Danganya wasiojua uchumi umekaliwa na walafi wa ulaya then mwajiita mko huru. Wewe ni katika wale wakimbizi insignificant ambao mnafikiri mnaweza chuma Tanzania bado hata uelewa wako ni duni kama koba la kiazi.