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Unregistered said:The contributor of the above ideas brings a new twist to the whole EAC issue.
I respect his ideas - it's the truth.
I know very many TZs and East Africans read materials posted on this website. Thank God most of them do not contribute bacause of infantile ideas by participants punctuated by disrespect and choice of dirty adjectives to describe and define people from other countries.
I am sure - it's just a few - very few people author contents on this website. The thoughts, ideas and feelings do not represent the majority of TZ citizens. If anyone disputes this - please include your name email address and/or residency. If you think you are so philosophical, including the moderator(s), and what you say is absolute truth, i ask that you include your name.
You see - people who are liberated in mind and thought stand by what they believe. I am sure the few people claiming to represent views of TZ can not do this - why? It is characteristic of Africans to give cheap shots at issues that deserve seriousness, then duck into anonynimity.
Thank you for those who are not participating. Thanks for those participating and not painting TZ as a garden of roses - because everybody knows every country has its own problems - and no one country should think they are superior over others. It's a pity.
Unregistered said:The contributor of the above ideas brings a new twist to the whole EAC issue.
I respect his ideas - it's the truth.
I know very many TZs and East Africans read materials posted on this website. Thank God most of them do not contribute bacause of infantile ideas by participants punctuated by disrespect and choice of dirty adjectives to describe and define people from other countries.
I am sure - it's just a few - very few people author contents on this website. The thoughts, ideas and feelings do not represent the majority of TZ citizens. If anyone disputes this - please include your name email address and/or residency. If you think you are so philosophical, including the moderator(s), and what you say is absolute truth, i ask that you include your name.
You see - people who are liberated in mind and thought stand by what they believe. I am sure the few people claiming to represent views of TZ can not do this - why? It is characteristic of Africans to give cheap shots at issues that deserve seriousness, then duck into anonynimity.
Thank you for those who are not participating. Thanks for those participating and not painting TZ as a garden of roses - because everybody knows every country has its own problems - and no one country should think they are superior over others. It's a pity.
TzPride said:--------------------------------
Pole sana ndugu mzanzibari. Kweli Muungano unaouzungumzia ni kitu kilicho fanywa kingumbaru zaidi. Ndio maana tunataka yasitokee haya ya EAF, kwani majuto kama hayo yako hatutayakwepa. Lakini ndugu Mzanzibari naomba nikukumbushe yafuatayo:
1. Hakuna nchi inaitwa Tanganyika katika ramani ya dunia ya sasa.
2. Zanzibar ilikuwa na bahati mbaya kuwa na kiongozi ngumbaru wakati wa kuweka sawa articles of union, si unajua jamaa alikuwa "kuli" tu?
3. Wazanzibari kama wakenya nao ukabila ni ugonjwa sugu kwao; uunguja na upemba ni tisho kwa uhai wa zanzibar huru, bila wanaume toka upande wa bara mambo yenu hayataenda barabara. Niaminii ndugu yangu.
4. Uchumi wenu ulikuwa wa karafuu tu, sasa si unajua karafuu hatima yake?
5. Nisingependa kuona unawatamani waarabu walewale waliowalamba mboko na mkaamua kuwatimua. leo unawataka!
Mwisho jitahidi kuwaelimisha wazanzibari kuhusu kuacha kubaguana wenyewe na muweze dai haki ya taifa lenu kwa pamoja. Hata mimi sioni sababu Tanganyika(marehemu) inabeba mzigo wa Zanzibar wakati hakuna faida yeyote tunapata toka huko. Zanzibar yote ina fanana na willaya ya Sengerema kwa population, resources, area nk lakini Zenji kuna Rais mpaka m/kiti wa kitongoji wakati Sengerema ni wilaya tu. Zenj kweli mnatakiwa muwe kivyenu ili myaone haya.
Salamu zao huko Kibanda maiti na Mchamba wima....
Unregistered said:Jamaani haya si madharau?
Ngumbaru Makuli? kwaku dai haki zetu. Mabaradhuli kama nyinyi ndio mnao endeleza ukandamizaji wa wazanzibari.Ipo siku.......Ipo siku..... Ipo siku.....Zanzibar ita kuwa huru!
Eti unalinganisha Zanzibar na Sengerema! huna haya veve! Nitarudia (samahani kwa hasira: zangu si zamkizi) Zanzibar siyo Koloni la Tanganyika usijaribu kamwe kutu fananisha na wilaya masikini zisizo na mbele wala nyuma. Nina hakika huja wahi kufika Zanzibar kwa hiyo usijifanye mwerevu. Unyonyaji wa mali ghafi ya Zanzibar utakoma. Mwisho kiwango chako cha elimu? Tueleze waziwazi!
Unregistered said:U couldn't be more wrong u Kenyan scumbag.I don't have to act like a Kenyan.Born,educated,lived there most of my life.I'm Kenyan in whatever shape or form but unfortunately i had to leave coz the likes of u turned the country into a shythole.The superior attitude u wanna apply to Tzs is the same u got on ur fellow Kenyans who don't belong to your tribe.Coz of that,look how Kenya has turned out to be.A nation of 35 million tribal psychos who won't stand criticism from outside.Meanwhile we so talented in electing thieves,thugs,idiots,clowns,wanna-be comedians, to run the country.Presently i'd rather have a Giraffe residing in Statehouse,Nairobi.The thought of a Hippo passing laws in the Kenyan Parliament is quite dandy with me.We could as well be robots programmed to hate each other based on tribe but whenever a foreigner tries to update you on the cons of such a program u go bananas chanting on how offended u are.Ati they calling us Nyangau!!!???Big deal.Sue your own ass!!News flash,Tzs are not wired like u.It's a cohesive society.That fact makes turns me green with envy an admiration.Stop the denial that we are diseased with tribalism.The rest of the world has diagonised that we are incredibly afflicted with it..How come u can't recognise whilst u the carrier???Matter of fact stay away from Tzns coz they may fall victim to the plague.
None Chamley is in Mathare...at least get your facts right before displaying folly!Unregistered said:At least we allow foreigners to hunt animals. How many foreigners were allowed to hunt poor Kenyans without being charged.
Unregistered said:if you are a kenyan, you should be charged with treason, judas iscariot,quisling.
None said:None Chamley is in Mathare...at least get your facts right before displaying folly!
None said:None Chamley is in Mathare...at least get your facts right before displaying folly!
Unregistered said:Administrator Tafadhali Fungua Mjadala Wa Muungano Wa Zanzibar Na Tanganyika - Huu Ulikuwa Bungeni Wakati Fulani Ukazimwa.
Jazba Hazisaidii Kitu Ndio Maana Maoni Mengi Hayaongelei Mambo Ya Muungano Wa Tanganyika Na Zanzibar.
Kitu Muhimu Tusivuruge Huu Wa Federation Ya Eac. Kama Zanzibar Ni Nchi Iwekwe Wazi Sio Waje Kwenye Huu Mjadala Kwa Ubavu Wa Tanzania Maana Sijaona Contribution Ya Watanganyika?????
Inakuwaje!
Loota L. Mungaya said:My opinion as far as the East Africa Federation is Concern is, both countries have to sort out their internal problems that emanating from their political, economical and socio environments before embarking on this very big, very sensitive and ambiguous kind of a so called federation. For example in Kenya and Uganda they have an endless ethnic groups war, tribalism, and regionalism. Tanzania is trying to looking ways of emancipate themselves from an infant economy. Although we have very common things to share there is no point to say we are sharing these things the same way.
What are we going to do with the LRA issues which in Tanzania we are just hearing from the radios and read from Magazine? What can we do with Narc Coalition and other tribal parties surrounded Kenyas politics. It is true that Kenyan economy is better than us but is better to eat Ugali with Kisanvu oilless peacefully rather than eating buffet with virungu every day, night with our beloved young kinds taken to war. Tanzania is still struggling in solving the so called Mpasuko wa kisiasa in Zanzibar and Viraga vya Muungano.
How can we get into this while pulling from our back all these problems? How can we embark on the large federation while the small one we have in hand is still a problem to us. We better not.
Unregistered said:VERY TRUE ZANZIBAR MUST BE FREED!
Iam a Zanzibari undertaking my doctorate studies in economics in the UK. I come from Mlandege in Zanzibar, I have not been in Zanzibar for many years. I agree with the views expressed by my fellow Zanzibari on the oppression of our people. In the year 2000 after a brutal election our people fled to Kenya why did they not go to Tz mainland? Zanzibar contributes disproportionately to the union with mainland. Yet we get very little if anything from this union!
Our people are only interested in improving their lives not to be moved to COMESA then SADAC! I agree with my fellow Zanzibari that we are closer socially, economically and culturally with east Africa than Southern Africa. Otherwise when the brutal army from the mainland came to crush our people they would have used boats to Mozambique but no, they went to Shimoni in Kenya as refugees.
We Zanzibaris are very bitter that we are being mistreated and ignored in the EAF debate, our founding fathers are being described by some readers as Makuli! Ngumbaru etc. sincerely with this hate how can we be proud to be part of the Muungano. We want to join COMESA/ EAF as Zanzibar and not Tanzania.
We are poor and divided in Zanzibar because of this union thing! Some people say we Zanzibaris are lazy and uneducated! Would a man like me be in UK studying hard? I need to help my people progress. Insults will not help them please.....
Kwa wale wenzangu wanao tumia lugha iso stahili lazma ni wakumbushe kwamba ustaarabu ulianzia Zanzibar. Tuko tayari kuwa elimisha.
Wasalaam
Mzanzibari
Toka Mlandege
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Unregistered said:Yahye kwanza nikwambia kabisa kama unataka mjadala wa muungano wa Tanzania mwombe Administrator afungue huu mjadala . Nitafurahi sana ili nikujibu mapigo yake maana hapa tunaongelea swala la muungano wa East Africa. Natumaini ni vizuri ukalielewa hilo.
Mengine yote hayo tisa.
Balozi said:But surely we should also ask ourselves... where is Zanzibar??? is it not in East Africa, secondly if we can include the Rwanda's Burundi into the EAF why not Zanzibar????
Balozi