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Exactly the point Tzpride!TzPride said:------------------------
Boeing engines as equipments for electricity?!!!!!!!!!!! your are real have nothing in your f**** head! Since when boeing engines can be equipments for electricity?oooh since those engines use turbines and you heard tz imported turbines, you just cant differentiate!
Ukweli Kabisa!Unregistered said:You kenyans and tanzanians . You both disgust me.All you have been doing is trying to put each other down, all of you trying to fool yourselves that you are better than the other.The reality is you are both lepers trying to tell the other that their leprosy is worse than yours.two beggars trying to convince the other beggar you are richer just because you have a few cents in your pan.The truth of the matter is both countries have the highest poverty rates, highest corruption rates, highest prevalence of HIV and AIDs, highest chil poverty rates.Run down economies battered by poor governance, innefficency and low productivity rates.This is the curse of africa. you blacks africans are here insulting each other while indians, whites, chinese and other foreigners who own your industries are busy trading and takin your money to send it back to their home countries.This is very sad, all i see is just young africans who should think of how they will seize their economies from foreigners and establish a region where black africans control their destiny. Arguing on false assumptions is rampant in this forum, open your eyes what you pride yourselves in is just a mirage and the sophistication the kenyans boast about is a dream to the millions who live in slums, the progress you tanzanians are claiming is just for the few elitist folks and is not a realization of the ordinary tanzanian in kariakoo.You waste your time mkipiga gumzo, mabeberu will take their time kuwanywa mrija.Black people unite! treat each other with respect! i haven't seen any asians in this forum arguing, you know why coz they are busy making money off you silly guys,amkeni mwende kazini, keep off this cheap talk and if you guys want to throw insults at each other , take a pause and think whio is really screwing you the african is it your kenyan brothers ?, is it you tanzanian brothers? no its the foriegn bastards ,so reset your targets and love your african brother coz when the shit drops the white folks will not welcome you as refugees in his country you will run to your black neighbouring country.Tupendane tusichukiane maana sisi wote ni waafrika.
As if there is no conflict in Tz...Si mpaka na leo zanzibaris want their freedom?Unregistered said:Halo Balozi, if you can not see the connection, how can I help you? Kenya should clean up its house before exporting violence to the Fed. May be you can read this also from the Nation Newspaper and see the point:Alarm as toll rises in clash-torn area
Story by KENNEDY MASIBO and SAM KIPLAGAT
Publication Date: 11/8/2006
Eti go Zimbambwe way...are you crazy...No thanks!Unregistered said:You might go the bitter way of Zimbabweans! But true freedom is sweet!
Kenyan authorities should also start hunting down illegal Tzians but you see unlike the Tzians they are too busy growing their economy and democracyUnregistered said:You Kenyans are economic refugees, if you do not agree read this from front page Daily News Tanzania:
Immigration probes Kenyan cheats
PATI MAGUBIRA in Mwanza
Daily News; Thursday,November 09, 2006 @00:05
THE Immigration Department here is investigating two foreigners for allegedly forging affidavits to obtain Tanzanian passports and employment opportunities in the country.
Other than warding off unfair insults why should anyone care if Tz doesn't join the EA?Unregistered said:Hey you "Nayangau No 1",
My friends, non one of you has convinced me, why should TZ join EA Fed
Who asked you to live in Kenya?Unregistered said:Who want to live in Kenya? Unless someone is mad can think of lgoing to settle in Kenya.
WHAT BLIND IF NOT FOOLISH ARGUMENTS!Unregistered said:Hey you "Nayangau No 1",
Let me challenge you Kenyans! Why do you accept the retired colonialists and a few so called political families to grab the big part of your land and you sit dreaming of the Fed! For heaven sake! Do your home work first! Fight for you land from these land grabbers and come out of your slums
My friends, non one of you has convinced me, why should TZ join EA Fed and not SADC. SADC appeals more as historical, social, and economic bloc for Tanzania
WHAT BLIND IF NOT FOOLISH ARGUMENTS!Unregistered said:Hey you "Nayangau No 1",
Let me challenge you Kenyans! Why do you accept the retired colonialists and a few so called political families to grab the big part of your land and you sit dreaming of the Fed! For heaven sake! Do your home work first! Fight for you land from these land grabbers and come out of your slums
My friends, non one of you has convinced me, why should TZ join EA Fed and not SADC. SADC appeals more as historical, social, and economic bloc for Tanzania
Invisible said:Mbunge Kenya awatoa hofu Watanzania
Na Mwandishi Wetu
MWENYEKITI wa Wabunge wa Kenya anayemaliza muda wake, Kadis Motela, amewataka Watanzania waache kuwahofu wenzao katika Afrika Mashariki, kwamba mipaka ikifunguliwa ajira zao zitapokonywa na wageni.
Alisema badala yake nafasi za ajira zitaongezeka kwani kufunguliwa kwa mipaka kunaenda na kumiminika kwa rasilimali kutoka nje ya nchi wanachama wa Jumuiya ya Afrika Mashariki.
Motela alisema hayo, alipokuwa anazindua kitabu cha Politics of Partnership kilichotungwa na Mbunge wa Afrika Mashariki kutoka Tanzania, Dk. George Nangale kueleza siasa ya Muungano wa nchi hizo tatu, kwa kutumia uzoefu wa miaka mitano aliyotumikia bunge hilo.
Hafla hiyo, ilifanyika juzi jioni katika ukumbi wa Karimjee na kuhudhuriwa na baadhi ya wanasiasa na wasomi maarufu kama vile, Dk. Pius Ngwandu, Zitto Kabwe, Paul Rupia, Hulda Kibacha, Dk. Harrison Mwakyembe, Kate Kamba na Profesa Raphael Mwalyosi.
Hulda na Kate walikuwa na Dk. Nangale, katika Bunge la Afrika Mashariki.
Pia, Motela alizungumzia suala la ardhi akitaka iwekwe sera nzuri za kusimamia ardhi nchini, ili kufungua milango kwa wawekezaji kuja kuendesha shughuli zao nchini na kupanua nafasi za ajira na uzalishaji kitaifa.
Mtu akizalisha kahawa Tanzania itakuwa kahawa ya Tanzania, acheni ardhi iwe ya Watanzania. Woga huu unatuchelewesha kuendelea, alisema Motela na kuongeza: Kinachotakiwa, tengenezeni sheria nzuri ziwalinde vizazi vijavyo.
Kuhusiana na kitabu kilichotungwa, Motela alisema ni cha kipekee, kwani kitakuwa cha manufaa kwa wanasiasa na watu wa Afrika Mashariki na kuwa mtunzi amefanya jambo la kipekee kati ya wabunge wote wa Afrika Mashariki.
Dk. Nangale kwa upande wake, alisema baada ya uzinduzi atazunguka katika vyuo vikuu mbalimbali vilivyo Afrika Mashariki na kupata mawazo zaidi ili afanye mapitio ya kuboresha kitabu hicho.
Pia, Dk. Ngwandu aliyejitambulisha kama baba wa ukoo wa Dk. Nangale, alimshauri mtunzi kufanya uzinduzi wa kitabu katika miji mbalimbali nchini na nchi nyingine za Afrika Mashariki ili kukipatia umaarufu.
Baadhi ya waliopewa nafasi ya kuzungumza, akiwemo mbunge Kabwe na Profesa Mwalyosi, walielezea kuvutiwa na kazi nzuri ya mwansiasa huyo.
Chanzo: Gazeti la Uhuru la tarehe 28 Oktoba 2006
Unregistered said:Firstly TZ is part of SADC, however SADC members and in particular RSA wants to form a customs union by 2010 to add on to the conundrum RSA wants a Free Trade Area (FTA) by 2008... (Also bear in mind that the Deputy Minister for East African Co-operation, Diodorus Kamara is determined to remain in both blocs i.e. SADC and EAC.. ohh and by the way TZ is thinking of going back to COMESA....). Back to my point though; the implications of TZ agreeing to FTA will have devasting effects on TZ's economy mainly:
1. SADC countries will have to eliminate tariffs, quotas and preferences on most (if not all) goods between them but then TZ will be the end loser being that RSA (if not most of the sub saharan countries) exports more into TZ than vise versa.
2. RSA is the New York of Africa (economic powerhouse) and they have the capacity to produce capital and intermediate goods.
The above of course will have a negative impact on TZ's economy because of the imbalances of the two coutries. To add insult to injury RSA and TZ literally produce the same kind of goods particularly metals i.e. diamond,gold etc. Who becomes the loser at the end of the day? TZ needs to decide whether they will stick to SADC, EAC/COMESA (EAC and COMESA-the two have the same objectives/goals) instead of displaying traits of a $5 hooker.....
nyangau nambari mbili said:yeah. SADC has been virtually hijacked by SA who have strategically named it 'their' market with amazingly lopsided arrangements in SA favor. This is already evident in investments and trade in the region. The same fate will befall NEPAD soon (remember the EAC conceived Easyy project?). As you point out the only resource Tz can conceivably contribute to their benefit within SADC apart from minerals and land (which are common in all other SADC members) is human capital; which is currently lacking. Whether SA will be willing to embrace their fellow Tz bantu kinsmen is another thing all together. Common economic sense dictates that you fraternise with those who lack what you have in abundance AND have what you need for mutual benefit. Well, you also need to be compatible so as to coexist peacefully.
kenya needs to forget this EAC thing & concentrate on COMESA..its larger and makes more sense, and is 'cured' from xenophobia
Waeleze ukweliUnregistered said:My friends, non one of you has convinced me, why should TZ join EA Fed and not SADC.
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Firstly TZ is part of SADC, however SADC members and in particular RSA wants to form a customs union by 2010 to add on to the conundrum RSA wants a Free Trade Area (FTA) by 2008... (Also bear in mind that the Deputy Minister for East African Co-operation, Diodorus Kamara is determined to remain in both blocs i.e. SADC and EAC.. ohh and by the way TZ is thinking of going back to COMESA....). Back to my point though; the implications of TZ agreeing to FTA will have devasting effects on TZ's economy mainly:
1. SADC countries will have to eliminate tariffs, quotas and preferences on most (if not all) goods between them but then TZ will be the end loser being that RSA (if not most of the sub saharan countries) exports more into TZ than vise versa.
2. RSA is the New York of Africa (economic powerhouse) and they have the capacity to produce capital and intermediate goods.
The above of course will have a negative impact on TZ's economy because of the imbalances of the two coutries. To add insult to injury RSA and TZ literally produce the same kind of goods particularly metals i.e. diamond,gold etc. Who becomes the loser at the end of the day? TZ needs to decide whether they will stick to SADC, EAC/COMESA (EAC and COMESA-the two have the same objectives/goals) instead of displaying traits of a $5 hooker.....
1. Its 2006 and pple who are accusing Kenya and others of tribalism are basing their argument on who is Nilote and who is Bantu...more hypocrisy!Unregistered said:My friends, non one of you has convinced me, why should TZ join EA Fed and not SADC. SADC appeals more as historical, social, and economic bloc for Tanzania. By nature and off course historically, majority of Tanzanians are Bantus while the Kenyans are Nilotics. SADC is much more Bantu and Kenya and the anticipated EA Fed. is much more of a Nilotic nature.
nyangau nambari mbili said:yeah. SADC has been virtually hijacked by SA who have strategically named it 'their' market with amazingly lopsided arrangements in SA favor. This is already evident in investments and trade in the region. The same fate will befall NEPAD soon (remember the EAC conceived Easyy project?)
Nyang'au No.2 said:1. Its 2006 and pple who are accusing Kenya and others of tribalism are basing their argument on who is Nilote and who is Bantu...more hypocrisy!
It might not even be xenophobia because they have no problems with South africans (also foreigners) taking over their industries
2. They are also arguing that Kenyans and Ugandans have conflicts and violence etc etc....once again the hypocrisy shows because if they dont hesitate to ask these countries to clean up, they turn a blind eye to crime and violence levels in RSA.
3. The other argument is that Kenyans should first kick out the white pple who own land in Kenya...(more xenophobia!) first before any Fed.
The hypocrisy in this one comes in that they have no problems joining SADC which is practically run by RSA whose economy we all know is still in the hands of white South Africans.
So much so that Desmond Tutu was complaining the other day that till today the wealth has not yet flown into the blacks hands.
For a pple who keep reminding us that they fought for freedom and helped others fight for it doing business with the white run RSA economy is the height of of Hypocrisy and contradiction.
These three arguments simply do not hold any water!
Unregistered said:Hongera Chuiwamashariki!
Swala la COMESA, SADAC na Zanzibar
Katika kikao cha jana, uli jaribu kutueleza, jinsi watanzania tunavyo danganywa kuhusu SADAC. Mbali nakupokewa kwa taadhima kuu kule SA tuna pawa mapokezi kama vile Makwerekwere (jina lakidharau kule SA) wengine. Je kwanini Mtu kutoka SA haitaji visa kuja kwetu? Pili haya maadini tunayo jivunia mbona hatupati faida yeyote?
Hayo ni baadae.
Sasa tuikabili swala la Zanzibar. Kwa zaidi ya miaka 30 wazanzibari wamekuwa wakinyanyaswa na watu kutoka Tanganyika. Jana tuli kuwa COMESA leo tuko SADAC! Je wazanzibari wana uhusiano wowote wakiukoo au hata kilugha na watu wa SADAC? Wazanzibari tangu karne na karne zilizopita wame kuwa na husiano no Oman, Kismayu, Lamu na Mombasa.
Katika kuelewa swala hili ni muhimu sana kewtu sisi kueleza wazi wazi kwamba ikiwa Tanganyika ingependa kujumuika na SADAC basi Zanzibar igependa kujumuika na COMESA na EAF. Kwakweli wanzanzibari wamechoka kunyanyaswa na vigogo tuka bara.
Wasalaam
Mzanzibari