Dar es Salaam BRT is a massive failure. What can Nairobi learn?

kennedy0000 · Aug 13, 2020

We have been told many times that Dar BRT is a success story. But is that really the case? According to people who actually use it, the BRT is a failure that requires complete overhaul.

The buses and stations are crowded more than an Indian train station. Travellers are worried of contracting TB.
The waiting times are extraordinarily long. Paper ticketing no longer works.

As Nairobi prepares to launch its own brt on several corridors, how can we prevent the mistakes of Dar?

This is a report by ITV.

As expected, it has performed very poorly on YouTube with only 300 views. Nafikiri ni kwasababu sio video ya kuimba sifa za rais dokta John Pombe Magufuli, na serikali ya awamu ya tano.

big-diamond · Aug 13, 2020

If you guys learn from our mistakes and address them on your BRT, it will be so great, and im sure we will learn from you and correct our issues.

But to be honest, I'm afraid if you will take your time and learn from our mistakes.

And that is what I'm seeing you are about to do.

RRONDO · Aug 13, 2020

I hope we will learn from Phase 1 mistakes and make sure Phase 2 is way better.

eliakeem · Aug 13, 2020

Hiyo documentary ni ya lini?
Maana kuna mambo lukuki ambayo nayaona yalisha fanyiwa kazi. mfano smart machines.

babayao255 · Aug 13, 2020

eliakeem said:
Hiyo documentary ni ya lini??
Maana kuna mambo lukuki ambayo nayaona yalisha fanyiwa kazi. mfano smart machines.

Naona ameandika ujinga mtupu kwenye muendelezo wa akili yake fupi,

Kaandika eti abiria huwa wanajaa kuliko treni za kule india [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

Ntaghacha · Aug 13, 2020

This documentary was done mid last year! Na hayo yameishafanyiwa kazi,na Kama uwongo weka tarehe!

THE BOILER ROOM · Aug 13, 2020

Zilizoelezwa hapo ni changamoto ambazo ni ndogo ndogo tu sana!!!!Hatuwezi zipuuzia kwa sababu ni kero kwa wananchi ila ziko kwenye level ya management tu!!!!!its all about decision making,Uchache wa mabasi wakati wa peak hours....!!!!,mabasi kupita vituo yakiwa matupu wakati mwingine vituoni kuna abiria!!!!Pamoja na kadi.SHIDA NI UCHACHE WA MAGARI hili ndo kubwa kuna magari yamekwama pale bandarini hayajalipiwa kodi yakitoka itasaidia kupunguza adha hii kwa muda mfupi (Short term solution) wakati wa peak hours ambao ni asbh na jioni na mchana kdg.Hili ni tatizo la service provider. Long term solution ni hii hapa;

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Kama hii phase one tu inakunyima usingizi,utaumia sana ndugu yangu nunua gunia zima la pain killer maana kuna phases nyingine 2,3 na 4 kwa mpigo zinafuata na kwa taarifa yako pamoja na mafanikio yote ya phase one inachukuliwa kama pilot study tu.Kuna maboresho mengi na makubwa kwa phases zinazofuata.Chuki haitakusaidia ambia Rais wenu aimplement hii mwache kupanda yale mafisi ya Naii!!!matatu culture,Rubbish.

Tony254 · Aug 13, 2020

Kiswahili cha Watanzania ndio huwa inanichekesha. Wanalegeza ulimi kabisa na kuvuta maneno.

Justinr · Aug 13, 2020

Mm nadhani ujinga ulio andika ukawape wakenya.....kwanza izo hadha zinazo onekana siyo Tz tu hata first world wana experience situation kama hii hasa peak hours ....unazungu mzia mji wenye wakazi 5+ millions na huu ndio unaonekana kuwa usafir waharaka na wabei nafuu kwa upande wa sehem kama kimara, Ubungo,morroco kuja katikati ya mji unategemea nini kama siyo kusanyiko kubwa kwenye vituo? Kwa sasa Dar inaenda next level inahitaj njia nyingi zaidi za usafiri mfano trains na kuboresha mwendo kasi kwakuongeza mabasi mengi zaidi.......kama treni ya Pugu tu kwa data za TRC imebeba abiria milion 5 kwa mwaka , unategemea nini kwa mwendo kasi? Hii project imefanikiwa kupitiliza mpka sasa inazidiwa kuna haja ya kutatua kero zilizopo na nimeona nyingi wamejitaid kuziondoa

PutinV · Aug 13, 2020

Acha propaganda.

MK254 · Aug 13, 2020

Hiyo BRT ni mradi ulioangukia pua, mamia ya Watanzania wengi huomba zirejeshwe daladala za kawaida, niliwahi kujaribu kuitumia mara kadhaa ila kila nikikata tiketi najikuta nashuka nje ya kituo na kwenda kutafuta usafiri mwingine. Tatizo la hawa watu walivyolemazwa na ujamaa, huwa hawaambiliki.

eliakeem · Aug 13, 2020

Justinr said:
Mm nadhani ujinga ulio andika ukawape wakenya.....kwanza izo hadha zinazo onekana siyo Tz tu hata first world wana experience situation kama hii hasa peak hours ....unazungu mzia mji wenye wakazi 5+ millions na huu ndio unaonekana kuwa usafir waharaka na wabei nafuu kwa upande wa sehem kama kimara, Ubungo,morroco kuja katikati ya mji unategemea nini kama siyo kusanyiko kubwa kwenye vituo? Kwa sasa Dar inaenda next level inahitaj njia nyingi zaidi za usafiri mfano trains na kuboresha mwendo kasi kwakuongeza mabasi mengi zaidi.......kama treni ya Pugu tu kwa data za TRC imebeba abiria milion 5 kwa mwaka , unategemea nini kwa mwendo kasi? Hii project imefanikiwa kupitiliza mpka sasa inazidiwa kuna haja ya kutatua kero zilizopo na nimeona nyingi wamejitaid kuziondoaView attachment 1535911 View attachment 1535913 View attachment 1535916 View attachment 1535917

Exposure yao ndiyo tatizo. Watu huku tunapanda subways tukiwa nyomi. Hatuogopi kolona wala nini.

KENPAULITE · Aug 13, 2020

I was hoping hii ripoti will focus on alot of issues, the only thing naona hapa ni watu tu kuhojiwa, very shallow reporting.

Naton Jr · Aug 13, 2020

Tony254 said:
Kiswahili cha Watanzania ndio huwa inanichekesha. Wanalegeza ulimi kabisa na kuvuta maneno.

Kwani wapi pengine ulimwenguni kuna kiswahili ukiondoa Tanzania?

Kevin85ify · Aug 13, 2020

kennedy0000 said:
We have been told many times that Dar BRT is a success story. But is that really the case? According to people who actually use it, the BRT is a failure that requires complete overhaul.

The buses and stations are crowded more than an Indian train station. Travellers are worried of contracting TB.
The waiting times are extraordinarily long. Paper ticketing no longer works.

As Nairobi prepares to launch its own brt on several corridors, how can we prevent the mistakes of Dar?

This is a report by ITV.

As expected, it has performed very poorly on YouTube with only 300 views. Nafikiri ni kwasababu sio video ya kuimba sifa za rais dokta John Pombe Magufuli, na serikali ya awamu ya tano.

Nairobi mass commuter system is better thought out than what Tanzania has or will do in dar es salaam in future.
i) Nairobi realized having a BRT without a mass commuter rail will result in bottlenecks and chaos as seen in Dar .
ii) Nairobi prioritized revamping and extending the Nairobi commuter rail to carry 4 million passengers in phase 1.
iii) BRT will not be the main transport system in Nairobi instead it will complement the Nairobi commuter rail until all five phases of Nairobi commuter rail are completed then BRT system will be phased out and the high capacity BRT buses redeployed to serve inner routes from train stations.
iv) Nairobi's BRT system will be more like Bogota than Dar.
v) Nairobi realized citizens need options and choices, especially private vehicle owners who might not want to use BRT or Commuter Rail, that is why Nairobi is a beehive of road construction and expansion in all corners of the city.

Naton Jr · Aug 13, 2020

KENPAULITE said:
I was hoping hii ripoti will focus on alot of issues, the only thing naona hapa ni watu tu kuhojiwa, very shallow reporting

Tuletee report yenu inayochambua kwanini nauli ya routes za Nairobi ni sawa na nauli kutoka mwanza mpaka mtwara

Kevin85ify · Aug 13, 2020

kennedy0000 said:
We have been told many times that Dar BRT is a success story. But is that really the case? According to people who actually use it, the BRT is a failure that requires complete overhaul.

The buses and stations are crowded more than an Indian train station. Travellers are worried of contracting TB.
The waiting times are extraordinarily long. Paper ticketing no longer works.

As Nairobi prepares to launch its own brt on several corridors, how can we prevent the mistakes of Dar?

This is a report by ITV.

As expected, it has performed very poorly on YouTube with only 300 views. Nafikiri ni kwasababu sio video ya kuimba sifa za rais dokta John Pombe Magufuli, na serikali ya awamu ya tano.

Also average transport cost on the Nairobi commuter rail costs between kshs 30 - kshs 60 to transport people as far as 50 km to and from Nairobi CBD. Compare that with Tzshs 1,400 or about Kes 70 for a two way commute on a 21 km line i.e. BRT system fares tend to be more expensive than commuter rail. This was the cause of a violent riot in Bogota.
Nairobi commuter rail phase 1 will use pre-existing infrastructure and carry more people over longer distances, at higher speed and at a cheaper price than BRT which require new infrastructure , travels at an average of 24 km/h and is about 50% more expensive than a commuter rail ticket.

passioner255 · Aug 13, 2020

MK254 said:
Hiyo BRT ni mradi ulioangukia pua, mamia ya Watanzania wengi huomba zirejeshwe daladala za kawaida, niliwahi kujaribu kuitumia mara kadhaa ila kila nikikata tiketi najikuta nashuka nje ya kituo na kwenda kutafuta usafiri mwingine. Tatizo la hawa watu walivyolemazwa na ujamaa, huwa hawaambiliki.

We jamaa sijui huwa unawaza na nini.husemi sababu ya kueleweka kwanini brt imefeli wakati zinaendelea kutoa huduma kama kawaida.

MK254 · Aug 14, 2020

passioner255 said:
We jamaa sijui huwa unawaza na nini.husemi sababu ya kueleweka kwanini brt imefeli wakati zinaendelea kutoa huduma kama kawaida.

Sio jukumu langu kuwaambia mnakwama wapi, inapaswa "wataalam" wenu kama mnao, wafanye utafiti kwanini huo mradi unawatesa watu badala ya kutoa huduma ipasavyo. Tatizo kila "mtaalam" kwenu sasa hivi anaimba mapambio ya misifa na kuchumia tumbo, hakuna anayetaka kuieleza kama ilivyo.

adebisi · Aug 14, 2020

Wakati unaendeleza chuki dhidi Tz , sisi tunachapa kazi kwenda mbele, making BRT phase 1 as a pilot study and we are implementing phase 2 of the BRT as well as phas 3 is underway...endeleeni kupiga maneno

MK254 said:
Sio jukumu langu kuwaambia mnakwama wapi, inapaswa "wataalam" wenu kama mnao, wafanye utafiti kwanini huwa mradi unawatesa watu badala ya kutoa huduma ipasavyo. Tatizo kila "mtaalam" kwenu sasa hivi anaimba mapambio ya misifa na kuchumia tumbo, hakuna anayetaka kuieleza kama ilivyo.

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