Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania

Kafrican · Feb 21, 2020

Simon said:
nikikata ticket kutokea home afu nikaenda kuverify hapo station na kupewa official ticket (boarding pass) nitatumia muda mdogo kuliko mtu anaenza kukata ticket akiwa station, coz atatumia mda mwingi kuingiza data zake kwanza..

kupunguza msongamano ndo mana wanaweka online system, otherwise kama system zote zinatumia mda sawa kituon.. bas hakuna haja ya online system

Kawaida hua watu wanakata ticketi online wanaingiza details kama seat number,date, Jina, ID Number alafu wanalipa na kupewa ticket number....
Unaeza ukaenda siku yoyote kabla siku ya kusafiri kuchukua ticketi yako na hautapata msongamano wowote, lakini ili ku save garama, watu hungojea siku ya kusafiri wakifika kituoni ndo wanaenda hapo kwa ATMs na ambapo wanaitishwa ticket Number na phone number na mashini alafu pap, boarding pass yako inachapishwa....

Shida inayotokea hua ni hizo dakika 30 za mwisho ndo kila mtu anafika kwa SGR station na anataka kuchapisha ticket.....

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Wakenya walisema suluhisho ya hio shida ni KRC wapanue network yao, Wafungue ofisi kadhaa kwa mitaa kadhaa mijini alafu waweke hizo ATM kwa hizo ofisi,ili ule mtaa unaokaa kuna ofisi ya SGR ambayo iko na hio ATM ya ticketi iwe unaweza chapisha tiketi mtaani bila kufika stesheni. Kwasababu kama ulivyosema hakuna mtu ata book online alafu asafiri kuchapisha na ku confirm tiketi kwa stesheni alafu arudi nyumbani angojee siku ya kusafiri. Lakini kukiwa na ATM machine mtaani itakua rahisi kufanya hivyo.

Kafrican · Feb 21, 2020

Ngokongosha said:
Wewe ndio mshamba hiyo system mlioweka ya boarding pass ndio failure yenyewe, mchina anawaletea system za kizamani Sana, Treni sio ndege kwamba ni lazima iwepo boarding pass,

Kwani huko kwenu mtatumia nini????? Kwasababu suluhisho lilobakia ni kutumia QR code app. Na hio system ya QR code pia iko na msongamano wakati wa kuingia kwa jukwaa la reli manake ni rahisi zaidi ku scan tiketi ya karatasi kuliko mashini ku scan QR code yenye iko kwa simu.

Geza Ulole · Feb 21, 2020

Kafrican said:
Kwani huko kwenu mtatumia nini?????

Ulaya nzima sijawahi ona boarding pass screens train stations mara nyingi kuna mashine za kununua ticket aside online possibilities!

Ngokongosha · Feb 21, 2020

Geza Ulole said:
Ulaya nzima sijawahi ona boarding pass screens train stations mara nyingi kuna mashine za kununua ticket aside online possibilities!

Mkuu Mimi Niko huku sijawahi ona hiyo kitu, watu tunascan code ziko kwenye simu wala hakuna usumbufu wowote.
Yaani iko hivi ukinunua ticket online system inakuuliza Kama unataka hard copy ndio utaenda print station ila soft copy inakudondoshea kwenye simu ukifika kwenye barriers unascan watu wengi ukiondoa wazee wanatumia Sana simu hata kwenye bus ni hivyohivyo unascan code iliyo kwenye simu ni rahisi haina usumbufu ukilingsnisha na karatasi

Mkikuyu- Akili timamu · Feb 21, 2020

Ngokongosha said:
Mkuu Mimi Niko huku sijawahi ona hiyo kitu, watu tunascan code ziko kwenye simu wala hakuna usumbufu wowote.
Yaani iko hivi ukinunua ticket online system inakuuliza Kama unataka hard copy ndio utaenda print station ila soft copy inakudondoshea kwenye simu ukifika kwenye barriers unascan watu wengi ukiondoa wazee wanatumia Sana simu hata kwenye bus ni hivyohivyo unascan code iliyo kwenye simu ni rahisi haina usumbufu ukilingsnisha na karatasi

Wakiweka Card ni Rahisi kabisa. Hiyo ndio system niliyoiona United Kingdom..Tena hiyo card unaweza tumia kwa BRT, Taxis.
Mambo ya ku print Boarding pass au tiketi ni ushamba wa kizamani

Kafrican · Feb 21, 2020

Mkikuyu- Akili timamu said:
1. Have your chinese masters realized that the single long line with sniffer dogs is a bottleneck?

2.Have they realized the 6 ticketing stations are a bummer for 2k People?

3.Do they understand the most time is spent at the scanning stations with only 2 machines where men have to untie their belts & women take off ear rings?

4. The 6 or more boarding gates you show there are usualy a no congestion area. The bottlenecks are before that

Earlier you said there were only 6 ticket scanning machines before the bording patorm, now that I hve disproved that you changed your mind that its no the problem area...

On this Pic alone, there are 10 ticket counters, And If you have been to the station like you claim, you know that on another side of this stretch there is a corner where there are other ticket counters.

Ukisoma maandishi hapo kwa LED board , kuna mahali imeandikwa "ticket selling stops 10 Minutes before departure"

Hio ni guarantee kwamba ukinunua ticket kabla hizo dakika kumi za mwisho, ... Utaweza kutoka hapo kwa ticketing na Kuenda kufanyiwa baggadge scanning, full body scanning na uningie kwa stesheni na uweze kupanda treni!!!! Infact, inakupatia uwezo wa kuwashtaki kotini kama utapewa tikiti dakika 11 kabla treni iondoke alafu uwachwe na treni kwasababu ulipoteza mda huo wote ukivua ukanda na pete kwa metal detector Kwahivyo hio messenge ya 10 minutes b4 departure ina cancel hio point no.3 yako ya eti xray machines hazitoshi, Nairobi iko na 4 X-ray machines zile za high capacity ambazo ziko na speed ya kuscan mizigo mingi kwa mpigo.

When the 4 x-ra scanners were being installed

NO one has even been left because of the Security checks at the station.....

Kafrican · Feb 21, 2020

Ngokongosha said:
Mkuu Mimi Niko huku sijawahi ona hiyo kitu, watu tunascan code ziko kwenye simu wala hakuna usumbufu wowote.
Yaani iko hivi ukinunua ticket online system inakuuliza Kama unataka hard copy ndio utaenda print station ila soft copy inakudondoshea kwenye simu ukifika kwenye barriers unascan watu wengi ukiondoa wazee wanatumia Sana simu hata kwenye bus ni hivyohivyo unascan code iliyo kwenye simu ni rahisi haina usumbufu ukilingsnisha na karatasi

Unasema hujawai ona hivyo vitu alafu unajisahau na kusema kuna mahali unaulizwa kama unataka ku print hard copy au utatumia soft copy QR pass. kumaanisha system zote zinatumiaka !!!

Huko Euorpe hata tiketi za ndege siku hizi wameanza kufanya hivyo

Hebu sasa niambie, pale JNIA ile terminal III yenu mpya, Mbona hamkuweka hio system?? Mbona bado mnatumia system ya ku print ticket????

Mkikuyu- Akili timamu said:
Wakiweka Card ni Rahisi kabisa. Hiyo ndio system niliyoiona United Kingdom..Tena hiyo card unaweza tumia kwa BRT, Taxis.
Mambo ya ku print Boarding pass au tiketi ni ushamba wa kizamani

Cards are for Commuter/metro rail where you expect to be using the card daily, not long distance train travel where you only travel like 4 times a year

Don't you remember how the likes of beba pay that you could use for matatu and Nairobi commuter rail failed because everyone still wanted to pay cash and be done with it? We could easily adopt that system to the SGR but we know no one is gonna use those cards. Mkenya pesa zake za matumizi ya kila siku ziko kwa mkono au kwa MPESA, ukimwambia sijui shika hii card unaweza jaza pesa utakua unajisumbua bure. Hayo mambo ya Europe hayawezi succeed huku... That is why there are more MPESA users than ATM card holders in Kenya!

Nairobi Commuter Train

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Mkikuyu- Akili timamu · Feb 21, 2020

Kafrican said:
Earlier you said there were only 6 ticket scanning machines before the bording patorm, now that I hve disproved that you changed your mind that its no the problem area...

On this Pic alone, there are 10 ticket counters, And If you have been to the station like you claim, you know that on another side of this stretch there is a corner where there are other ticket counters.

View attachment 1365302

Ukisoma maandishi hapo kwa LED board , kuna mahali imeandikwa "ticket selling stops 10 Minutes before departure"

Hio ni guarantee kwamba ukinunua ticket kabla hizo dakika kumi za mwisho, ... Utaweza kutoka hapo kwa ticketing na Kuenda kufanyiwa baggadge scanning, full body scanning na uningie kwa stesheni na uweze kupanda treni!!!! Infact, inakupatia uwezo wa kuwashtaki kotini kama utapewa tikiti dakika 11 kabla treni iondoke alafu uwachwe na treni kwasababu ulipoteza mda huo wote ukivua ukanda na pete kwa metal detector Kwahivyo hio messenge ya 10 minutes b4 departure ina cancel hio point no.3 yako ya eti xray machines hazitoshi, Nairobi iko na 4 X-ray machines zile za high capacity ambazo ziko na speed ya kuscan mizigo mingi kwa mpigo.

When the 4 x-ra scanners were being installed
View attachment 1365387

NO one has even been left because of the Security checks at the station.....

Boss, I do not work for SGR neither am I intrested in counting all the service desks there..That is why i said i probably remember 1 long line outside, 10 ticket desks but my recollection says i only saw 6 clerks sitting, 2 scanning machines & 6 boarding gates.
That long Queue you posted here plus sweaty crowds on the escallator shows the quality of service is very poor.
My understanding is that boarding starts at 7AM & the train goes at 9AM..2 hrs with enough service desks there is no need of even a large waiting bay.
The point is surface Area of a station has nothing to do with unnecessary Sweaty Crowds..Everything is dependent on service stations & available man power

Mkikuyu- Akili timamu · Feb 21, 2020

Kafrican said:
Unasema hujawai ona hivyo vitu alafu unajisahau na kusema kuna mahali unaulizwa kama unataka ku print hard copy au utatumia soft copy QR pass. kumaanisha system zote zinatumiaka !!!

Huko Euorpe hata tiketi za ndege siku hizi wameanza kufanya hivyo

Hebu sasa niambie, pale JNIA ile terminal III yenu mpya, Mbona hamkuweka hio system?? Mbona bado mnatumia system ya ku print ticket????

Cards are for Commuter/metro rail where you expect to be using the card daily, not long distance train travel where you only travel like 4 times a year

Don't you remember how the likes of beba pay that you could use for matatu and Nairobi commuter rail failed because everyone still wanted to pay cash and be done with it? We could easily adopt that system to the SGR but we know no one is gonna use those cards

Nairobi Commuter Train

Am talking about Oyster Card in Britain which I use when am there for both short & long Train & bus Rides across the UK.
For Tz they can intergrate their BRT card to SGR if they want Quick processing

Kafrican · Feb 21, 2020

Mkikuyu- Akili timamu said:
Boss, I do not work for SGR neither am I intrested in counting all the service desks there..That is why i said i probably remember 1 long line outside, 10 ticket desks but my recollection says i only saw 6 clerks sitting, 2 scanning machines & 6 boarding gates.
That long Queue you posted here plus sweaty crowds on the escallator shows the quality of service is very poor.
My understanding is that boarding starts at 7AM & the train goes at 9AM..2 hrs with enough service desks there is no need of even a large waiting bay.
The point is surface Area of a station has nothing to do with unnecessary Sweaty Crowds..Everything is dependent on service stations & available man power

We shall revisit this story when Dar station starts operating and you will see why if 21,400 sq.m seem sweaty and crowded and can't fit 1,600 people at once, then 13,000sq.m will be a whole lot worse

Kafrican · Feb 21, 2020

Mkikuyu- Akili timamu said:
Am talking about Oyster Card in Britain which I use when am there for both short & long Train & bus Rides across the UK.
For Tz they can intergrate their BRT card to SGR if they want Quick processing
View attachment 1365471

Key word being 'they can' not they will, Just like we could have easily integrated Beba pay with the SGR but we have not.

nyangau mkenya · Feb 21, 2020

Kafrican is being super patient educating these ccm bots

komora096 · Feb 21, 2020

Geza Ulole said:
Nimeuliza ni physics gani mnatumia kusema reli ya axle load 25 tones inabeba mzigo zaidi ya yenye axle load 35 tones? Unajua axle load 35 tones means 140 tones for a wagon (2 infront, 2 behind) while for ur sgr means 100 tones for a wagon! So tell me having a rail that can afford to carry 140 tones and one that can afford 100 tones which one is more durable and with a capacity to carry more load?

Sema jomba hukuelewa ulivyoelezwa au pia huenda una zuga...
Jamaa kakunyoeshea maelezo vizuri, wewe umeanza kupindisha pindisha km kawaida yenu

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Geza Ulole · Feb 21, 2020

komora096 said:
Sema jomba hukuelewa ulivyoelezwa au pia huenda una zuga...
Jamaa kakunyoeshea maelezo vizuri, wewe umeanza kupindisha pindisha km kawaida yenu

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Ni kama uwe na barabara yenye load limit ya 100 tons halafu ujitambe unaweza unaweza kubeba cargo zaidi ya mwenye barabara ya load limit 150 tons! Akili za Kariobangi ndo hudanganywa hivyo! If axle load is 25 tons that means 100 axle loads per wagon moving at 80km/h! There is no way u can claim of having more load capacity than one with axle load of 35 tons and subsequently 140 tons per wagon and yet having electrical engines that can pull a 2 km long train and moving at 120 km/h! Even turn around/dwelling time aside traffic is lower for a faster train with a bigger axle load! The maths n law of Physics don't add up! May be Chinese way of conning Kunyans!

Bugucha · Feb 21, 2020

Bugucha · Feb 21, 2020

Kafrican said:
Show me planned projects that have completed in TZ!

Means that all r U/C.

Zigi Rizla · Feb 22, 2020

Geza Ulole said:
Ni kama uwe na barabara yenye load limit ya 100 tons halafu ujitambe unaweza unaweza kubeba cargo zaidi ya mwenye barabara ya load limit 150 tons! Akili za Kariobangi ndo hudanganywa hivyo! If axle load is 25 tons that means 100 axle loads per wagon moving at 80km/h! There is no way u can claim of having more load capacity than one with axle load of 35 tons and subsequently 140 tons per wagon and yet having electrical engines that can pull a 2 km long train and moving at 120 km/h! Even turn around/dwelling time aside traffic is lower for a faster train with a bigger axle load! The maths n law of Physics don't add up! May be Chinese way of conning Kunyans!

We ni jinga

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Geza Ulole · Feb 22, 2020

Geza Ulole · Feb 22, 2020

The most advanced electrical SGR in the whole of sub saharan Africa!

I just can't stop posting this photos

Geza Ulole · Feb 22, 2020

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