China could finance part of Tanzania’s SGR project

[Missile of the Nation]

China is back as one of the potential financiers of Tanzania’s flagship standard gauge railway project, Foreign Affairs Minister Palamagamba Kabudi confirmed this past week.

“The Chinese government has declared its intention to support the SGR construction at a later stage, and is now doing its own evaluation of the project before engaging us in further talks,” Prof Kabudi said, after attending a co-ordination meeting of the Forum on China-Africa Cooperation (FOCAC) in Beijing.

The SGR, stretching 1,457km from Dar es Salaam to western Tanzania, is one of the mega-infrastructure projects being touted by President John Magufuli’s government as key to its industrialisation agenda over the next decade.
The budget for the railway is $7.5 billion, with a five-year completion timeline.

Funding
Earlier plans for China’s Exim Bank to provide most of the funding for its construction fell through after the administration rejected the Chinese in favour of a Turkish-Portuguese consortium.

After that deal failed, Tanzania declared that it would pay for the project out of its own pocket. That has worked for the first two phases of the project, Dar es Salaam-Morogoro and Morogoro-Makutupora, covering 726km and costing Tsh4.89 trillion ($2.5 billion).

Tanzania Railways Corporation (TRC) officials say the first phase of the project (Dar-Morogoro) is two-thirds complete, and preparatory work on Phase Two (Dar-Makutupora) is underway.
However, funding has become an issue. TRC communications manager Jamila Mbarouk confirmed in an interview with The EastAfrican this past week that:

“The government is now striving hard to get some financing assistance in order to complete the remaining phases of the SGR construction, starting from Makutupora to the Lake Victoria zone and the western part of the country — covering about 731km.”

The Tanzanian parliament last month approved a Tsh2.5 trillion ($1.1 billion) allocation in the country’s 2019/20 budget for the SGR project, almost half of the entire Ministry of Works development expenditure budget for the year.

China is understood to have also told Kenya and Uganda to work on their respective financing modalities for their joint SGR project in order to receive funding.

China had initially declined to fund the project, with analysts saying the risk of default for both countries was high.

SOURCE: https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/bu...ia-sgr-project/2560-5185404-1e7c77/index.html

MY TAKE:
Wakati wa JK tulishaingia makubaliano na Exim Bank ya China wa ujenzi wa SGR kwa mkopo ambao tungeulipa ndani ya miaka 20, makubaliano hayo yakasainiwa rasmi katika mkataba wa mkopo baina yetu na Exim bank July 22, 2016 chini ya serikali mpya ya JPM

Ilivyoingia serikali ya awamu ya tano ikajitoa katika makubaliano ya awali na kuleta Waturuki badala ya Wachina.

Sasa naona tumerudi tena kwa wachina walewale tuliowakataa mwanzoni!

 

[Cannibal OX]

Saivi tumerudi China baada ya kujipanga. Kipindi kile tulishajiingiza kichwa kichwa ilibaki kidogo tuwe kama Angola ambayo ndio nchi inayoongoza kudaiwa na China barani Afrika na kibaya zaidi China inachukua malighafi kutoka Angola kama sehemu ya marejesho ya mkopo huo.

Kumbuka siyo jukumu la China kutupa mbinu bora za kuingia mikataba wakati na wao ni Wajamaa Mabeberu wanaotafuta faida kila pembe ya dunia, Bali ni jukumu letu sisi Watanzania kuingia mikataba ya kizalendo na yenye maslahi ya taifa letu. Tuache ushabiki wa Kindezindezi..!

 

[Missile of the Nation]

Saivi tumerudi China baada ya kujipanga. Kipindi kile tulishajiingiza kichwa kichwa ilibaki kidogo tuwe kama Angola ambayo ndio nchi inayoongoza kudaiwa na China barani Afrika

Sitaki nataka!

 

[Prem 96]

Tz ni eneo la kimbinu zaidi kwa ushawishi wa China Africa

 

[Extra miles]

Naamini hatutashindwana nao, kama TAZARA iliwezekana ije kuwa hii SGR?

 

[Sailorone]

Hakuna namna ya kuwakwepa wachina. Kwanba tujenge reli toka Dar hadi kigoma na mwanza kwa peas zetu ni suala la kufikrika. Kwa mwaka tunakusanya tsh 14 trillion, nusu tunalipa mishahara na zinazobaki tualipa deni la la taifa na gharama ndogo ndogo za uendeshaji wa serikali oc. Bajeti ya maendeleo inagharamiwa na mikopo na misaada ambayo kwa Sasa ni nadra kupatikana. Hivyo tunachoiita fedha ya ndani ni mikopo. Waturuki wanaweza kujenga reli Kama wakandarasi lakini hawana fedha, na wao wanakopa China. Wachina wana uwezo wa kujenga reli na fedha wanazo. Hivyo hatuwezi kuwakwepa. Tunachotakiwa ni kuwa wangalifu katika majadiliano na Mikataba ili wasitulalie lakini kuwakwepa haiwezekani.

 

[Missile of the Nation]

Hakuna namna ya kuwakwepa wachina. Kwanba tujenge reli toka Dar hadi kigoma na mwanza kwa peas zetu ni suala la kufikrika. Kwa mwaka tunakusanya tsh 14 trillion, nusu tunalipa mishahara na zinazobaki tualipa deni la la taifa na gharama ndege ndogo za uendeshaji wa serikali oc. Bajeti ya maendeleo inagharamiwa na mikopo na misaada ambayo kwa Sasha ni nadra kupatikana. Hivyo tunachoiita fed has ya ndani ni mikopo. Waturuki wanaweza kujenga religion Kama wakandarasi lakini hawana fedha, na wao wanakopa China. Wachina wana uwezo wa kujenga reli na fedha wanazo. Hivyo hatuwezi kuwakwepa. Tunachotakiwa ni kuwa wangalifu katika majadiliano na Mikataba ili wasitulalie lakini kuwakwepa ni ngumu.

mimi nashangaa, yaani ishu ya SGR toka kipindi cha JK tulikuwa tumeshaiseti vizuri , tulikuwa tumeshasaini makubaliano na wachina, kila kitu kimeshakaa sawa, alipoingia Mzee wa Chato akapangalua makubaliano, akaleta waturuki, Wachina wakakaa pembeni wanatuangalia, Sasa anarudi kulekule kwa wachina. Wakati mwingine tusivuruge vuruge vitu ambavyo vimeshakaa kwenye msitari

 

[Mokaze]

Saivi tumerudi China baada ya kujipanga. Kipindi kile tulishajiingiza kichwa kichwa ilibaki kidogo tuwe kama Angola ambayo ndio nchi inayoongoza kudaiwa na China barani Afrika

Bora udaiwe na China kuliko udaiwe na "mabeberu" ya mbuzi, kwani yanaweza kukulazimisha nchi yako ifuate " Ush--ga.🤣🤣

 

[KalamuTena]

mimi nashangaa, yaani ishu ya SGR toka kipindi cha JK tulikuwa tumeshaiseti vizuri , tulikuwa tumeshasaini makubaliano na wachina, kila kitu kimeshakaa sawa, alipoingia Mzee wa Chato akapangalua makubaliano, akaleta waturuki, Wachina wakakaa pembeni wanatuangalia, Sasa anarudi kulekule kwa wachina. Wakati mwingine tusivuruge vuruge vitu ambavyo vimeshakaa kwenye msitari

Sisi hapa JF hatujui yaliyokuwemo katika mikataba Kikwete aliyokuwa amekubaliana na Wachina katika ujenzi wa reli; na wala hatujui kilichomfanya Magufuli "apangulue makubaliano na wachina," Tunasikia tu habari za pembeni bila ya kuwa na uhakika wowote.

Lakini endapo makubaliano hayo yalikaribiana na yale ya SGR ya Kenya, nitaunga mkono kwa Magufuli "kupangulua makubaliano" na kuanza majadaliliano mapya. Mikataba ya wachina na Kenya imevujishwa mara kadhaa na vyombo vya habari vya huko, kwa hiyo baadhi ya mambo yaliyomo katika mikataba hiyo yanajulikana pamoja na serikali ya Kenya na wachina kuendelea kukana hayo yaliyofichuliwa.

Kwa hiyo sioni tatizo la wachina kama watakuwa tayari kurudi kwa makubaliano mapya. Sioni chochote tutakachokuwa tumepoteza katika mpango huo. Kama kuna asilimia kumi za watu zilivurugwa, hilo sio shauri letu. Tunachotaka ni reli.

 

[mzizimkuu1]

Masharti magumu wanatender wanaweka hela ndogo ila baadae mabadiliko kibao hela kuwa kubwa

 

[Missile of the Nation]

Sisi hapa JF hatujui yaliyokuwemo katika mikataba Kikwete aliyokuwa amekubaliana na Wachina katika ujenzi wa reli; na wala hatujui kilichomfanya Magufuli "apangulue makubaliano na wachina," Tunasikia tu habari za pembeni bila ya kuwa na uhakika wowote.

Lakini endapo makubaliano hayo yalikaribiana na yale ya SGR ya Kenya, nitaunga mkono kwa Magufuli "kupangulua makubaliano" na kuanza majadaliliano mapya. Mikataba ya wachina na Kenya imevujishwa mara kadhaa na vyombo vya habari vya huko, kwa hiyo baadhi ya mambo yaliyomo katika mikataba hiyo yanajulikana pamoja na serikali ya Kenya na wachina kuendelea kukana hayo yaliyofichuliwa.

Kwa hiyo sioni tatizo la wachina kama watakuwa tayari kurudi kwa makubaliano mapya. Sioni chochote tutakachokuwa tumepoteza katika mpango huo. Kama kuna asilimia kumi za watu zilivurugwa, hilo sio shauri letu. Tunachotaka ni reli.

Tatizo linakuja pale mnapoamini kuwa kipindi cha utawala wa JK basi pengine kulikuwa kuna 10% za watu, Lakini mizania hiyohiyo hamuitumii kwa utawala wa JPM kuwa huenda napo kuna 10% za watu!

Hata kama ripoti za CAG zimeonyesha mashaka makubwa ya nidhamu ktk pesa za umma katika utawala huu kuliko uliopita bado mnaamini utawala huu unapambana na ufisadi kuliko tawala zilizopita!. Ajabu

Kwa mfano, kwa nini ATCL imewekwa chini ya ofisi ya rais?
Au iko wapi ripoti ya CAG kuhusu ujenzi wa uwanja wa ndege chato, why?

Vipi kuhusu trilion 2.4 ambazo maelezo ya matumizi yake yamepindapinda?
cy
kwa hiyo kwa nini tudhani mikataba ya JK ilikuwa na ufisadi lakini ya utawala huu swaaaafi?

Au labda kipindi kile kulikuwa na uwazi, bunge lenye meno, freedom of press ndiyo maana tulikuwa na info au uhuru wa kuzungumza madudu yake hadi kumfikia mwanakijiji huko kijijini, lakini sasa transparency iko chini, bunge halina meno, press imepigwa nusu kaputi kwa hiyo watu wengi hawayasikii haya madudu kama ilivyokuwa kipindi cha JK. Watu wanasikiliza propaganda zaidi kuliko kupata nafasi ya kuyasikia madudu achilia mbali ujasiri wa kuyaanika

 

[Tindo]

Hakuna namna ya kuwakwepa wachina. Kwanba tujenge reli toka Dar hadi kigoma na mwanza kwa peas zetu ni suala la kufikrika. Kwa mwaka tunakusanya tsh 14 trillion, nusu tunalipa mishahara na zinazobaki tualipa deni la la taifa na gharama ndege ndogo za uendeshaji wa serikali oc. Bajeti ya maendeleo inagharamiwa na mikopo na misaada ambayo kwa Sasha ni nadra kupatikana. Hivyo tunachoiita fed has ya ndani ni mikopo. Waturuki wanaweza kujenga religion Kama wakandarasi lakini hawana fedha, na wao wanakopa China. Wachina wana uwezo wa kujenga reli na fedha wanazo. Hivyo hatuwezi kuwakwepa. Tunachotakiwa ni kuwa wangalifu katika majadiliano na Mikataba ili wasitulalie lakini kuwakwepa ni ngumu.

Hili jambo tulisema kwamba kujenga hii miradi kwa fedha za ndani ni uongo wa mchana kweupe. Tukasema kama ni mikopo hiyo sawa, ila tukaambiwa sio mikopo bali ni fedha za ndani ili kuhadaa umma kwamba mambo ni mazuri. Mahali penye mikataba ya siri ni ngumu kuacha kulaliwa, hasa ukizingatia mradi unafanyika kusaka sifa za kisiasa zaidi, hivyo unapokwama inabidi kuingia makubaliano ya kujitoa muhanga ambayo kulaliwa ni lazima.

 

[Tindo]

Bora udaiwe na China kuliko udaiwe na "mabeberu" ya mbuzi, kwani yanaweza kukulazimisha nchi yako ifuate " Ush--ga.🤣🤣

Kwa taarifa yako wazungu ni bora mara mia ya hao wachina. Wazungu wana afadhali kuliko wachina. Hao wachina kwa watawala wa kiafrika ni bora kwakuwa hawahoji demokrasia hata kiongozi akichinja watu wake kwao sio shida. Shida ya wazungu wanahoji siasa za kishenzi za watawala, kitu ambacho viongozi wetu huita kuingiliwa mambo yetu ya ndani.

 

[Tindo]

Sisi hapa JF hatujui yaliyokuwemo katika mikataba Kikwete aliyokuwa amekubaliana na Wachina katika ujenzi wa reli; na wala hatujui kilichomfanya Magufuli "apangulue makubaliano na wachina," Tunasikia tu habari za pembeni bila ya kuwa na uhakika wowote.

Lakini endapo makubaliano hayo yalikaribiana na yale ya SGR ya Kenya, nitaunga mkono kwa Magufuli "kupangulua makubaliano" na kuanza majadaliliano mapya. Mikataba ya wachina na Kenya imevujishwa mara kadhaa na vyombo vya habari vya huko, kwa hiyo baadhi ya mambo yaliyomo katika mikataba hiyo yanajulikana pamoja na serikali ya Kenya na wachina kuendelea kukana hayo yaliyofichuliwa.

Kwa hiyo sioni tatizo la wachina kama watakuwa tayari kurudi kwa makubaliano mapya. Sioni chochote tutakachokuwa tumepoteza katika mpango huo. Kama kuna asilimia kumi za watu zilivurugwa, hilo sio shauri letu. Tunachotaka ni reli.

Ni nadra sana kupata mkataba bora baada ya kuanza mradi kisha katikati ya mradi ukamrudia uliyemkimbia mwanzo tena ukiwa umekwama. Jaribu kufanya biashara na mtu kisha mshindwane halafu ukapeleka bidhaa yako pengine. Ikikosa bei uliyotarajia huku mliyeahindwana mwanzo anajua kabisa huko ulikopeleka hiyo bidhaa umekosa bei uliyotaka, atakachofanya hata ile bei aliyofika mwanzo ataishusha maana anajua huna ujanja.

Kitendo cha kuwarudia wachina sasa kitaleta makubaliano mabaya kuliko ilivyokuwa mwanzo. Uzuri viongozi wetu wanajua hatujui mkataba wa mwanzo ulisemaje, hivyo wataingia hivyo hivyo kukwepa aibu ya kukwama. Ila kwa sasa acha tunywe mtori tu, nyama tutazikuta chini.

 

[Tindo]

Tatizo linakuja pale mnapoamini kuwa kipindi cha utawala wa JK basi pengine kulikuwa kuna 10% za watu, Lakini mizania hiyohiyo hamuitumii kwa utawala wa JPM kuwa huenda napo kuna 10% za watu!

Hata kama ripoti za CAG zimeonyesha mashaka makubwa ya nidhamu ktk pesa za umma katika utawala huu kuliko uliopita bado mnaamini utawala huu unapambana na ufisadi kuliko tawala zilizopita!. Ajabu

Kwa mfano, kwa nini ATCL imewekwa chini ya ofisi ya rais?
Au iko wapi ripoti ya CAG kuhusu ujenzi wa uwanja wa ndege chato, why?

Vipi kuhusu trilion 2.4 ambazo maelezo ya matumizi yake yamepindapinda?
cy
kwa hiyo kwa nini tudhani mikataba ya JK ilikuwa na ufisadi lakini ya utawala huu swaaaafi?

Au labda kipindi kile kulikuwa na uwazi, bunge lenye meno, freedom of press ndiyo maana tulikuwa na info au uhuru wa kuzungumza madudu yake hadi kumfikia mwanakijiji huko kijijini, lakini sasa transparency iko chini, bunge halina meno, press imepigwa nusu kaputi kwa hiyo watu wengi hawayasikii haya madudu kama ilivyokuwa kipindi cha JK. Watu wanasikiliza propaganda zaidi kuliko kupata nafasi ya kuyasikia madudu achilia mbali ujasiri wa kuyaanika

Kipindi cha JK 10% ilikuwepo hilo halina mjadala. Ila kipindi hiki kuna 10% na ujinga juu. Inachojivunia serikali hii ni kunyima uhuru wa habari, na kwakuwa propaganda ndio imegeuzwa ukweli, kwa sasa tunywe mtiririko tu nyama tutazikuta chini.

 

[Rasterman]

ccm mpya imekwama inatafuta pesa za kampeni wala sio za mradi wa sgr

 

[Missile of the Nation]

Tatizo la JPM aliingia madarakani na mawzo kwamba waliopita walikuwa wapigaji, hata kama na yeye alishiriki vikao vya baraza la mawaziri, na mambo yakaamuliwa ndani ya vikao vya mawaziri!.
Sasa matokeo yake anapangalua miradi ambayo imeshasetiwa vizuri kwa mawazo kuwa kuna ufisadi, matokeo yake anakwama kisha anawarudia walewale aliowatuhumu kutaka kutuibia!.
Kama alivyosema mchangiaji mmoja hapo juu, Ukikubaliana na mtu kisha ukajitoa ukazunguuka huko kutafuta unachokitaka ukakikosa , ukimrudia yeye basi atakupa dili bovu zaidi kwa sababu anajua huna ujanja!
Ndiyo maana mchina sasa hivi anaringa, kila wakimfuata anasema hebu tukae chini kwanza tuone kama huo mradi ni feasible au la, hiyo ni polite language ya Kidiplomasia kuwa mlizingua mwanzoni sasa mnafuata nini?

 

[Missile of the Nation]

Kipindi cha JK 10% ilikuwepo hilo halina mjadala. Ila kipindi hiki kuna 10% na ujinga juu. Inachojivunia serikali hii ni kunyima uhuru wa habari, na kwakuwa propaganda ndio imegeuzwa ukweli, kwa sasa tunywe mtiririko tu nyama tutazikuta chini.

Tazama kwenye hii Article ya July 2016, Tanzania Tumewekeana mkataba wa mkopo kutoka Exim bank ya China wa Dola bilion 7.6, Na JPM akawa Amesifu mkataba huo kuwa ni mkataba mzuri wa mkopo nafuu. Kisha baadae sijui kilimuingia nini huyu mzee wetu akabadirika na kuwaleta waturuki watu wasio na pesa kama wachina, matokeo yake leo tumekwama tunawarudia wachina haohao waokoe jahazi
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News
China lends Tanzania $7.6bn for its coveted new rail system
22 July 2016 |

Tanzania’s long-anticipated rail renewal took a step closer this week when it secured a $7.6bn loan from China's Export-Import Bank (Exim) to build a railway network linking the coastal metropolis of Dar es Salaam to the African nation’s landlocked neighbours.

President John Magufuli thanked the Exim bank in a statement announcing the deal on 20 July, and said construction would begin this year.

The standard gauge railway is expected to improve regional trade and boost the economies of Tanzania and its inland neighbours Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi and the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC).

President Magufuli as been impatient for work on the 2,000-km-plus railway to start after a consortium of Chinese firms was last year awarded the contract to build it.

In April this year he pressed the Chinese government to begin building as soon as possible.

The Exim bank was a “reasonable borrower” and the loan was offered on “reasonable terms”, Magufuli said in his statement this week.

Reuters Africa commented on the news, saying that Tanzania wants to “profit from its long coastline and upgrade its rickety railways and roads to serve growing economies in the landlocked heart of Africa.”

Reuters added that natural gas discoveries in Tanzania and oil finds in Kenya and Uganda have turned East Africa into an exploration hotspot, but that the countries suffered from neglected transport infrastructure.

Source: http://www.globalconstructionreview.com/news/china-lends-tanzania-76bn-its-cove7ted-ne7w-ra7il/

 

[TUJITEGEMEE]

So long as our national interests are intact and sound, I have no problem with Chinese funding SGR .

 

[kajima]

Sababu za kukataa mara ya kwanza ni based on design and cost. Tuwe tunatafuta taarifa vizur haswa vijana , tusisubiri mtu mwingine asome ndo atuambie.