Call to Public Debate- Any Brave Atheist or Atheists

Mtangoo · Aug 18, 2014

introvert said:
I am good to go.

Congratulations! Its my honor to debate you!

introvert said:
But before anything else, what are we debating about. Atheism is broad, so is Christianity. Be specific.

Christianity is not broad belief. Its clearly articulated in the Bible and I will clearly define it as the Bible defines it. Atheism too is not broad. Its a belief that God does not exist (Or else you are not atheist). Now the explanations on how we get here may differ but common denominator is God does not exist.

introvert said:
Atheism is a lack of belief in a deity/disbelief in the existence of a deity, simply put.

No! Atheism IS a belief that God does not exist. Do you believe He does exist? If Yes then you are NOT atheist. Its atheist twist-wist of words. But that is not important for now. You will have to defend your definitions too.

introvert said:
It is wrong to write "atheism/evolution" because the two aren't one.

Yes I know and I differentiate the Two. Atheism is denial of God and evolutionism is mostly used as pretext.

introvert said:
Don't let your ego blind your reason.

Ok we will see there who is blinded by his ego.

introvert said:
It is a debate, one should stand to be corrected all the time, even if there have no idea what they are talking about. They should be accept corrections. This will lead into a progressive debate and an informative one.

I agree. But at least someone should know "what he is debating about" else it will be a class.

introvert said:
It is a tendency, most Christians and believers move goal posts every now and then. They also have a tendency of dodging questions. Now that you've said we should be honest, kindly observe this.

If you have seen my posts I don't dodge any single question. Yes there might be some but there are other. so no problem!

introvert said:
Why not pray to God you believe in to help these orphans that you want us to donate the money to?

God have his principles and works according to his will.

introvert said:
Be specific, what is the debate really? Truth itself is an endless debate.

Truth is not endless. I will prove that in a debate

introvert said:
Remind me, what's the debate again?

Atheism vs Christianity -- which is the Truth?

Well since finally someone have volunteered, I would like to request if there is any one with connections to Universities who can help us link with respective personnel so that we may debate there.
Invisible Maxence Melo can you help us on that?

Mtangoo · Aug 18, 2014

Stefano Mtangoo said:
So... a lot of talks but none volunteers to debate me? Strange!
Anyway, am still waiting for an atheist/evolutionist to debate me on public.

Finally brave atheist introvert volunteered. Congrats to him/her!

Nyani Ngabu · Aug 19, 2014

housegirl said:
again, evolution is a conclusion from the convergence of information from different unrelated faculties.

is millions of years difficult for you to grasp? yet you can grasp a "timeless" entity. i know millions of years is waay beyond what we can even think of living to see. but does it make it false?

You're damn right! Millions of years just doesn't make sense to me. And note the language there...'millions of years'.

I mean, it doesn't get any more obscure and confusing than that. What's millions of years? 500 million years? A thousand million years? To me it's like due to lack of information a humongous number is being thrown around to try to explain something we know very little of.

unless you are doubting the counting methods?

Of course I'm doubting the dating methods.

and for what reason?

Who was there when everything was taking place?

you have 3billion bases of DNA in your body. how did we count that?

You tell me! How did they get that 3 billion number?

ok simple question, what do you say of the fossil record?

What do you mean 'what do I say' about fossils...? Do you accept everything hook, line, and sinker?

introvert · Aug 19, 2014

Stefano Mtangoo said:
Christianity is not broad belief.

Christianity stretches from Catholicism, Orthodox, Protestants and the list goes on. It does cover quite an area -- that makes it broad. Agree?

Stefano Mtangoo said:
Its clearly articulated in the Bible and I will clearly define it as the Bible defines it.

The Bible is subject to a number of contradicting interpretations. How you define it, is not the same as how a Jehova witness or a Catholic or Protestant defines it.

Plus, that book is a work of fiction.

Stefano Mtangoo said:
Atheism too is not broad. Its a belief that God does not exist (Or else you are not atheist).

This is wrong. Atheism is not a belief. It is the lack of a belief.

This shows how misinformed you are about atheism.

How can you debate if you fail to understand the basic concept of what atheism is?

Stefano Mtangoo said:
Now the explanations on how we get here may differ but common denominator is God does not exist.

Common denominator is not having a belief in the existence of super natural power, mainly due to lack of evidence of the existence of that super natural power, be God, Superman, Santa etc.

Stefano Mtangoo said:
No! Atheism IS a belief that God does not exist.

Not collecting coins is not a hobby.

I am an atheist and I do not believe in the existence of God.

Not believing cannot be a belief. When you do not believe in something, in other words, you lack faith in that belief.

Faith is the building block of any belief. That said, lacking that faith cannot be a belief.

You have contradicted yourself. Lets see how honest you are now.

Stefano Mtangoo said:
Do you believe He does exist?

Answering your question: No, I do not believe.

Follow up questions on the question you asked;

How do you know God is a He and not a She or It?

Is it not the case that this God you believe in is a result of your sexist imagination?

Stefano Mtangoo said:
If Yes then you are NOT atheist.

I am one.

Stefano Mtangoo said:
Its atheist twist-wist of words. But that is not important for now.

Then do not waste your time writing something that is not important.

Stefano Mtangoo said:
You will have to defend your definitions too.

In need I shall.

Stefano Mtangoo said:
Yes I know and I differentiate the Two. Atheism is denial of God and evolutionism is mostly used as pretext.

WRONG.

Atheism is not science. It is simply a lack of belief or rather disbelief in the existence of a deity.

It is sad I am debating a person who cannot differentiate atheism from evolution.

Stefano Mtangoo said:
Ok we will see there who is blinded by his ego.

You said you can debate gazillion atheists. Thats just arrogant.

Stefano Mtangoo said:
I agree. But at least someone should know "what he is debating about" else it will be a class.

So what is the debate?

Stefano Mtangoo said:
If you have seen my posts I don't dodge any single question. Yes there might be some but there are other. so no problem!

You say, you do not dodge any single question. Next sentence you say you dodge some. Stop contradicting yourself!!

You are yet to answer Kiranga on the problem of evil. Have you answered him?

Stefano Mtangoo said:
God have his principles and works according to his will.

How do you know this?

Stefano Mtangoo said:
Truth is not endless. I will prove that in a debate

Waiting.

Stefano Mtangoo said:
Atheism vs Christianity -- which is the Truth?

One: What is Christianity?

Two: How do you know Christianity is the truth?

Stefano Mtangoo said:
Well since finally someone have volunteered, I would like to request if there is any one with connections to Universities who can help us link with respective personnel so that we may debate there.

What if I am in Iceland and I do not have time to fly to whatever university you are talking about?

Stefano Mtangoo said:
Invisible Maxence Melo can you help us on that?

JamiiForums is enough.

Kiranga · Aug 19, 2014

introvert the problem of evil remain unanswered.

Moreover, I have yet to see a logically consistent proof of the exiatence of god in here.

I wouldn't even waste my time on a lengthy debate if the person I am engaging cannot even wrestle successfully with the problem of evil.

How would I know that he is not the garden variety of a species of dogmatic simpleton with all the tendency of an ignorant nincompoop?

Walas Ba · Aug 19, 2014

housegirl said:
The thing is people think Darwin aliamka siku moja na kusema "EVOLUTION", kisha akaandika volumes of bullshit kuthibitisha, kisha wanasayansi wooote wanaokubali evolution ni wapumbavu na wana mpango wa kuanzisha dini ili wapate hela.

Idea ya evolution has always been there. Toka kwa philosopher Anaximander wa 520BC. Akaja mwana-fossils (paleontologist) Xenophanes. Akaja Aristotle wa 350BC...wameenda throught history, from Botanist wetu, John Ray. To a God Beleiver Biologist Carolus Linnaeus. To Pierre-Louis Moreau de
Maupertuis. To Erasmus Darwin wa 1794, ambaye alikuwa daktari na babu yake Darwin. To Jean-Baptiste Lamarck wa 1809, founder wa jina "Biology".

wengine in Between

Darwin ndo akazaliwa 1809.

wengine wa kwenye the Dark Ages sijawataja.

Wote waliona evolution. Ingawa wengine hawakuweza kuelezea natural selection. Wengine walioweza (wengi) wakaona kuwa evolution ni "ngazi", leading to "better life" or "perfection". wengine wakaona a human was the ultimate goal.

our knowledge of evolution has grown!! jinsi technology imekua na watu wenye interest na science wameongezeka, tumejua mengi.

we dont see evolution kama "ngazi" inayoenda juu to "perfection". Ni "mti wenye matawi", very diverse. viumbe wamekua in ways you cant say "this is more perfect than this". infact, "kuwa bora" is subjective. Mmea unaweza kujiona bora kwakuwa unajitengenezea chakula. Spider atajiona bora kwakuwa ana sumu. Binadamu atajiona bora kwakuwa ana "akili".

and sometimes evolution works fori the worst, through labda mutation au genetic drift

TUKUMBUKE, evolution is down to genetics. EVOLYTION IS THE CHANGE IN THE.FREQUENCY OF ALLELES IN A POPULATION. kwahiyo ukiwa na argument kumbuka hilo. Hutosema kama Nyani Ngabu "bacteria resistence ni kama mimi kupata misuli!" . Ndio huwa kuna changes hutokea throught an organism's life ambazo haziaffect genes na uzao wako, so sio evolution.

TUKUMBUKE, kwa wanaosema evolution is false b'se its not observable or testable, NOT ALL science depends on controlled laboratory experiments (mfano astrophysics. kwani huwa wanajuaje kwamba kwenye ile sayari millions of light years away kuna gases fulani? how do geologists know what happened zamani?)
Pia unataka tutest vipi kwa njia moja kwamba "a whale descended from a mammalian ancestor?"

IT HAS BEEN SAID sooo many times, EVOLUTION IS A CONCLUSION FROM MANY UNRELATED FACULTIES.

Geology, Peleontology, Molecular biology, Comperative Anatomy, Genetics, Biochemistry, Vestigiology, Embryology, Morphology, Geochemistry, paleobiogeography sijui nini

wooote wakonclude kitu kioja, COMMON ANCESTRY. Kisha mtu aje kubisha "Hamna missing link ya binadamu njoo. evolution is a hoax. tufanye public debate". khaaa! hata aibu!!!! kwanza missing link ndo nini!!!

another way to know evolution is to observe. there are clearly explained changes in the cells and genes of resistant bacteria and the resistant Atlantic tomcod. kama sio evolution ni nini?

Tafadhali tuangalie evolution ya kiumbe kimoja, A whale, kwa kuangalia baadhi ya hizo faculties kisha kila mtu afanye conclusion. can i post my "copy+edit+paste" essay?

Polepole kwanza kwani kwnye hiyo sayansi kuna utofauti gani kati ya theory na facts?

Na je evolution ni theory au ni fact na unipe sababu kutokana na jibu lako!

Umesema kwamba evolution ni hitimisho la vitu vingu visivyohusiana,lakin matokeo yake ikawa ni mambo yananyohusiana!?? Nipe shule na hapa.

Je wanasayansi hawana chomba cha kufatilia tena evolution maana mnasema. ni billion of years kwann pasiwepo na namna ya kurekodi aya mambo.

Mtangoo · Aug 19, 2014

introvert there is no point debating here. Since you believe your points are valid, then lets meet there and I will answer all your queries there. They are simple to deal with.

So am waiting for Maxence Melo, Invisible Moderator et al to see any possibility to help setup the debate

Nyani Ngabu · Aug 19, 2014

Walas Ba said:
Je wanasayansi hawana chomba cha kufatilia tena evolution maana mnasema. ni billion of years kwann pasiwepo na namna ya kurekodi aya mambo.

Ipo siku ataibuka mwanasayansi mwingine na kudai ni 'trillions of years' na watu wakameza mazima bila hata kuhoji kisa tu aliyesema hivyo ni mwanasayansi!

Mukulu wa Bakulu · Aug 19, 2014

"Evolutionism is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless." -

Professor Louis Bounoure, past president of the Biological Society of Strassbourg, Director of the Strassbourg Zoological Museum, Director of Research at the French National Center of Scientific Research. (Quoted in The Advocate, March 8, 1984.)

TURUDI KWENYE MADA.
KeyserSoze nina maswali machache ya kukuuliza, housegirl anaweza kuchangia na wengine kuhusu evolution.

Tunaweza kuendelea hapa,hatuharibu mada maana mtoa mada keshapata aliekua anamtaka..

Kama hutojali mkuu keysersoze tunaweza kuendelea.

introvert · Aug 19, 2014

Kiranga said:
introvert the problem of evil remain unanswered.

Moreover, I have yet to see a logically consistent proof of the exiatence of god in here.

I wouldn't even waste my time on a lengthy debate if the person I am engaging cannot even wrestle successfully with the problem of evil.

How would I know that he is not the garden variety of a species of dogmatic simpleton with all the tendency of an ignorant nincompoop?

Si ajabu hata hamjui Epicurus na anataka ku-debate.

He has contradicted himself in two sentences, who does that in a debate?

This is what we have to deal with.

introvert · Aug 19, 2014

Stefano Mtangoo said:
introvert there is no point debating here. Since you believe your points are valid, then lets meet there and I will answer all your queries there. They are simple to deal with.

So am waiting for Maxence Melo, Invisible Moderator et al to see any possibility to help setup the debate

Stop wasting time. This is enough platform for a debate.

Tuangoma · Aug 19, 2014

Kiranga said:
introvert the problem of evil remain unanswered.

Moreover, I have yet to see a logically consistent proof of the exiatence of god in here.

I wouldn't even waste my time on a lengthy debate if the person I am engaging cannot even wrestle successfully with the problem of evil.

How would I know that he is not the garden variety of a species of dogmatic simpleton with all the tendency of an ignorant nincompoop?

So if It happen that the one you denied created this Planet the way you want it to be.
With no Problems and No Evil etc, is that Sufficient PROOF that God do Exist?

Ask something which make sense to all aspects of life and to EVERYBODY with sound mind to ponder NOT just a Part of it which is all down to your Personal feelings.

You can not REJECT the Existence of GOD just because there is Evil around us!
You need to come up with something better than that.

It is like rejecting the existence of our police Force and Court of Laws just because there is More Criminals in the street.
That does not make any sense!

Kiranga · Aug 19, 2014

Tuangoma said:
So if It happen that the one you denied created this Planet the way you want it to be.
With no Problems and No Evil etc, is that Sufficient PROOF that God do Exist?

Ask something which make sense to all aspects of life and to EVERYBODY with sound mind to ponder NOT just a Part of it which is all down to your Personal feelings.

You can not REJECT the Existence of GOD just because there is Evil around us!
You need to come up with something better than that.

It is like rejecting the existence of our police Force and Court of Laws just because there is More Criminals in the street.
That does not make any sense!

Your incomprehensible incoherence and incomplete illogic irritates my insensitivities.

Tuangoma · Aug 19, 2014

Kiranga said:
Your incomprehensible incoherence and incomplete illogic irritates my insensitivities.

Using synonymous makes you sound like a morons Dad!

Kiranga · Aug 19, 2014

Tuangoma said:
Using synonymous makes you sound like a morons Dad!

"Using synonymous" synonymous what?

"Like a morons"

You can't even tell your singulars from your plurals.

Who is the moron now?

Tuangoma · Aug 19, 2014

Kiranga said:
"Using synonymous" synonymous what?

"Like a morons"

You can't even tell your singulars from your plurals.

Who is the moron now?

Back to the topic moron!

Kiranga · Aug 19, 2014

Tuangoma said:
Back to the topic moron!

The thread originator hasn't answered ny question.

You have exposed your ignorance.

introvert · Aug 19, 2014

Tuangoma said:
So if It happen that the one you denied created this Planet the way you want it to be.

How did you come into a conclusion that this Planet was created?

How was it created?

When was it created?

Tuangoma said:
With no Problems and No Evil etc, is that Sufficient PROOF that God do Exist?

No, it is not sufficient proof. It gives clarity on God's omnipresence, omniscience and omnipotence.

Tuangoma said:
Ask something which make sense to all aspects of life and to EVERYBODY with sound mind to ponder NOT just a Part of it which is all down to your Personal feelings.

The problem of evil is a classic. It is not personal.

Tuangoma said:
You can not REJECT the Existence of GOD just because there is Evil around us!
You need to come up with something better than that.

Other than jumping around, you actually haven't answered the question.

Why don't you answer the question?

Because an honest answer to this question will demerit your God.

Tuangoma said:
It is like rejecting the existence of our police Force and Court of Laws just because there is More Criminals in the street.

If the police had the powers to catch all criminals and make sure there is no crime, would they do it?

Tuangoma said:
That does not make any sense!

Tuangoma · Aug 19, 2014

Kiranga said:
The thread originator hasn't answered ny question.

You have exposed your ignorance.

And who told you I am here to try to answer your arrogance questions!

I have just made a comment on the garbage point you made regarding the existence of God.

Just proved to the readers that all Less Educated atheist ar scumbags!

Kiranga · Aug 19, 2014

Tuangoma said:
And who told you I am here to try to answer your arrogance questions!

I have just made a comment on the garbage point you made regarding the existence of God.

Just proved to the readers that all Less Educated atheist ar scumbags!

"your arrogance questions".

Hilarious.

An all knowing, all capable all loving godhead creating such a piece of shyt as yourself would be the height of contradictory cruelty.

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