Call to Public Debate- Any Brave Atheist or Atheists

For the case of the Judeo Christian/Islamic personal godhead (or any that is omnipotent and omnibenevolent) I shall endeavor to engage anybody publicly if and only if the problem of evil is addressed squarely and logically.

At least then I will know that this person has wrestled with the classic arguments and logic enough to warrant a debate.

Until then, I am logically predisposed to not take seriously any offer of a public debate, as there is no guarantee that it will not be an exercise in futility with a two bit theist who cannot even explain the godhead he/she believes in in a logically consistent way.

Case in point, the present thread seems to link directly atheism with evolution while atheism was a logically sound system thousands of years before evolution became fashionable and scientifically acceptable.

Why should I waste my time with such an uninformed person?

Cc Nyani Ngabu , housegirl
 
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Tiger said:
I am not an atheist but I share something in common with them. I don't think all atheists support the evolution theory so it's a wrong perception to see them as the believers of the evolution theory.
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What is this you share with non theism? Of course all of them do believe in evolution, is like saying I am a Christian but I do not believe in the Holy Spirit!! Utakuwaje Mkristo bila ya Holy Spirit?
 
Ishmael said:
What is this you share with non theism? Of course all of them do believe in evolution, is like saying I am a Christian but I do not believe in the Holy Spirit!! Utakuwaje Mkristo bila ya Holy Spirit?
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Soma paragraph mbili za mwisho za Kiranga na utagundua kuwa mnaongea sana ila hamuelewi undani wa mambo.
Huwezi kujitapa uko tayari kufanya mjadala na atheist huku ukidhani atheists wote wanaitambua evolution theory kama msingi wa falsafa yao.
 
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I like your final line.
 
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Finally someone who knows something about evolution!!!

This man who dares to call on a debate about evolution is not aware of the numerous ways in which new DNA is formed!

This same man has been challenging evolution by asking for "missing links".

The people in here who are against evolution, know nothing about evolution. Bacteria resistence to antibiotics means nothing to them. Phenotypical Changes in organisms like birds means nothing to them.

They dont even know what evolution is!!! Wanataka kesho nyani azae mtoto ambaye hana mkia ndo waelewe evolution!!!

Do they even know what made scientists conclude evolution!!

You Stefano Mtangoo of all people in here shouldnt be confidently asking for a debate on evolution.....for now....labda uje baada ya mwaka mmoja.....

And as many have pointed out, you linking atheism with evolution shows you are not ready for a debate. Dont you know of any Christian evolutionists?

#bye thread.
 
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housegirl said:
The people in here who are against evolution, know nothing about evolution. Bacteria resistence to antibiotics means nothing to them.
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So what are you trying to say here? That the resistance of some bacteria to antibiotics is evidence of evolution in action?

If so, what do they evolve into? Man? Felines? Reptilians?
 
Nyani Ngabu said:
So what are you trying to say here? That the resistance of some bacteria to antibiotics is evidence of evolution in action?

If so, what do they evolve into? Man? Felines? Reptilians?
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Very good question :A S 41:
 
Nyani Ngabu said:
So what are you trying to say here? That the resistance of some bacteria to antibiotics is evidence of evolution in action?

If so, what do they evolve into? Man? Felines? Reptilians?
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It shows adaptation and survival of the fittest, be it the occurrence of the surviving bacteria is through mutation or any other means...
 
Tiger said:
Soma paragraph mbili za mwisho za Kiranga na utagundua kuwa mnaongea sana ila hamuelewi undani wa mambo.
Huwezi kujitapa uko tayari kufanya mjadala na atheist huku ukidhani atheists wote wanaitambua evolution theory kama msingi wa falsafa yao.
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Pole sana kijana kwa kuendelea kuogopa kujibu maswali. Who started non theism and what is the foundation of same?
 
Nyani Ngabu said:
So what are you trying to say here? That the resistance of some bacteria to antibiotics is evidence of evolution in action?

If so, what do they evolve into? Man? Felines? Reptilians?
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LOL Nyani Ngabu are you trying to be funny?

First widen your understanding on the definition of evolution. Evolution is the change in the frequencey of ALLELES in a population.

(allele: simply an alternative form of a gene. eg. allele for a blue pupil and allele for a black pupil

gene:simply a segment of the DNA that codes for traits/features/functions. animals are said to be diploid i.e only two alleles for each gene)

but in the case of the resistant bacterias, there are many ways that they become resistant.

wengine wanapunguza uwezekano wa vitu (madawa) kupenetrate through their membranes.

wengine wanapumguza the channels throught which vitu (madawa) huingia.

wengine wametengeneza enzymes za kudigest penicillin (can you imagine?)(this has been mostly through natural selection)

some change the structures of the antibiotic target site
etc

so what is happening now is simply change in allele frequency (more bacteria are having the gene coding for resistence).

what will happen after they are all antibiotic resistant¿ well lets just hope that we will never run out of new antibiotics
 
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Nyani Ngabu said:
What do the bacteria evolve into?
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The non resistant bacterias evolve into resistant bacterias.., overtime through natural selection the non resistant ones disappear and we remain with the resistant ones.., that's why human kind will always continue to fight with the disease..

Remember revolution acts at a slow pace that's why bacterias (which can produce generations within days) is the best candidate to be used.., even at their fast reproducing rate still it takes years for the resistant trait to become dorminant
 
KeyserSoze said:
It shows adaptation and survival of the fittest, be it the occurrence of the surviving bacteria is through mutation or any other means...
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yes...inawezekana wakati bacteria yuko kwenye process ya kuharibiwa na antibiotic iliyolengwa kuharibu DNA yake, akaenda kuzaa (lol) , so the daughter cells zikachukua copy ya protein iliyoharibika, luckily wakawa resistant!!
 
Nyani Ngabu said:
What do the bacteria evolve into?
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as KeyserSoze said it will be a long time before they all become resistant. will we even survive to see what they evolve in to?

but imagine bacteria wanaopunguza permeability za membranes zao. they are developing more rigid membranes. the surrounding play a big role. you never know what the rigid membranes could make them do that now they cant.
 
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Huu ndio uzuri wa Sayansi hakuna blah blah bla na kila mtu anaruhusiwa kuuliza na ku-challenge theory yoyote na kama anaona sio ya kweli akileta evidence na proof ya kwamba hiki kimetokea sababu hii na hii ndio maana hiki na kile kimetokea basi watu watamsikiliza..

Kwahio nadhani yoyote anayeona hii ni uongo huu ndio wakati wa kuweza kuwa famous.., afanye research zake na aje na theories na proof kwamba kile kilichokuwa tunadhani kimetokea kumbe sio bali ni A, B, C..., na uzuri wa wanasayansi hawapo rigid..., watabadilika na kila kitu kitabadilishwa.., lakini until then these are the facts and they have been proven with evidence
 
Ngojea niendelee kula material tu, nitaanza kuuliza maswali baadae baada ya somo kwa mabingwa wa Evolution...
 
 
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