The West Policy on Libya Vs Putin

[Marytina]

Russia alipoivamia na kuitwanga na kuua watu kule Geogia (Abakazia/S. Osertia) sikuona manung'uniko hapa jamvini.
Russia alivyoua maelfu ya wananchi wa Chechnia sikuona kelele hapa jamvini
JK alivyovamia Comoro hakuna mtu alisema neno JF
Wasomali wakiteka meli kila kukicha sijaona kelele hapa JF ndio kwanza watu wanashangilia
Saudia kupeleka majeshi Bahrain, sijaona kelele hapa JF
Gadhafi kumsaidia Idd Amin, sijasikia ikikumbushwa hapa JF
Gadhafi kusponsor mauaji ya Pan Am flight hakuna mtu ameongelea jamvini
Ethiopia kuivamia Somalia watu mmekuwa mabubu hapa JF
Qatar, UAE, Norway and others kupeleka fighter jets Libya, sijasikia manung'uniko hapa jamvini.
El Bashiri akituma Janjaweed kuwabaka na kuwalawiti wanawake Darfur mchana kweupee na kuwaua waume zao, JF kila mtu kimya!
Halafu kwenye maombi ya viza balozini sijaona wabongo wengi wakienda nchi za kiarabu kupanga foleni za viza...bali ni UK na American embassy.
Tuache double standards wana JF

be blessed.

 

[Eqlypz]

.qatar brought four plane but they refused to patrol far than libya costline.in other words non flying zone not successfull yet

Duh mkuu as of 10 hours ago ndege kutoka Qatar ndio kwanza zilikuwa zimetua Crete sasa hii habari ya kusema zimekataa kupatrol umeitoa wapi? Vile vile Mirage 2000 jets zimetua Cyprus kurefuel baada ya hali ya hewa kuwa mbaya. Ata kama ni chuki basi kuwa fair kwenye kureport habari maana kuna watu wengi wanasoma hizi thread kwa ajili ya kupata habari ya nini kinaendelea Libya.

Qatari officials have said its planes will take part in enforcing the no-fly zone but have not provided specifics on their contribution to the effort.

Ukisema Libya(n) Coastline tayari inamaanisha ni ndani ya pwani ya Libya.

Qatar warplanes head for Libya no-fly zone duty - World news - Europe - msnbc.com

 

[Gamba la Nyoka]

Great Manmade River



GMMRA logo


The Great Man-Made River (GMR, النهر الصناعي العظي&#1605 is a network of pipes that supplies water to the Sahara Desert in Libya, from the Nubian Sandstone Aquifer System fossil aquifer. It is the world's largest irrigation project.[1]
According to its website, it is the largest underground network of pipes and aqueducts in the world. It consists of more than 1,300 wells, most more than 500 m deep, and supplies 6,500,000 m³ of fresh water per day to the cities of Tripoli, Benghazi, Sirt and elsewhere. Muammar al-Gaddafi has described it as the "Eighth Wonder of the World."[2]



False-color image of the Grand Omar Mukhtar reservoir project. Water (dark blue) residing in reservoirs appears twice in this image, in the upper right and at the bottom. Vegetation appears red, cityscape structures such as pavement and buildings appear in gray, bare ground appears tan or beige.


In 1953, efforts to find oil in southern Libya led to the discovery of huge quantities of fresh water underground. The Great Man-made River Project (GMRP) was conceived in the late 1960s and work on the project began in 1984. The project's construction was divided into five phases. The first phase required 85 million m³ of excavation and was inaugurated on August 28, 1991. The second phase (dubbed First water to Tripoli) was inaugurated on September 1, 1996.

The project is owned by the Great Man-Made River Project Authority and funded by the Libyan government. Brown & Root and Price Brothers were responsible for the original design, and the primary contractor for the first phases was Dong Ah Consortium (a South Korean construction company) and present main contractor is Al Nahr Company Ltd. This company was registered in England and Wales as a foreign company FC017848 until July 31, 2003.
The imported goods from several worldwide countries (such as Italy, Spain, Germany, Japan, etc.) destined to the construction of the GMR arrived by sea via the entry port of Marsa al-Brega (Gulf of Sirte).

The total cost of the project is projected at more than US$25 billion. Libya claims to have completed the work to date without the financial support of major countries or loans from world banks. Since 1990 UNESCO has provided training to engineers and technicians involved with the project.
The fossil aquifer from which this water is being supplied is the Nubian Sandstone Aquifer System. It accumulated during the last ice age and is not currently being replenished. If 2007 rates of retrieval are not increased, the water could last a thousand years.[3][4]
A large, recently-settled lawsuit between the Libyan government and Brasoil, a subsidiary of the Brazilian national oil company, arose from the project. Brasoil was contracted to drill many of the wells in the early stages of the project.


Source:

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My Take:
How can you treat the leader with vision like Ghadafi in the manner they treat him?

 

[manenge]

Huyu jamaa pamoja na westrn countries kumchukia he has something he has contributed in this world. Ana kile kinachoitwa kuthubutu ambacho viongozi wengi hawana. Hongera Gadaffi kwa kusimamia hiyo kazi ambayo walibya wote wananufaika nayo.

 

[Ehud]

Wanasema hayo maji huko jagwani yalipatikana wakati wa harakati za kusaka mafuta na yanaweza kutumika kwa miaka 1000!

 

[sawabho]

Great Manmade River



GMMRA logo


The Great Man-Made River (GMR, النهر الصناعي العظي&#1605 is a network of pipes that supplies water to the Sahara Desert in Libya, from the Nubian Sandstone Aquifer System fossil aquifer. It is the world's largest irrigation project.[1]
According to its website, it is the largest underground network of pipes and aqueducts in the world. It consists of more than 1,300 wells, most more than 500 m deep, and supplies 6,500,000 m³ of fresh water per day to the cities of Tripoli, Benghazi, Sirt and elsewhere. Muammar al-Gaddafi has described it as the "Eighth Wonder of the World."[2]



False-color image of the Grand Omar Mukhtar reservoir project. Water (dark blue) residing in reservoirs appears twice in this image, in the upper right and at the bottom. Vegetation appears red, cityscape structures such as pavement and buildings appear in gray, bare ground appears tan or beige.


In 1953, efforts to find oil in southern Libya led to the discovery of huge quantities of fresh water underground. The Great Man-made River Project (GMRP) was conceived in the late 1960s and work on the project began in 1984. The project's construction was divided into five phases. The first phase required 85 million m³ of excavation and was inaugurated on August 28, 1991. The second phase (dubbed First water to Tripoli) was inaugurated on September 1, 1996.

The project is owned by the Great Man-Made River Project Authority and funded by the Libyan government. Brown & Root and Price Brothers were responsible for the original design, and the primary contractor for the first phases was Dong Ah Consortium (a South Korean construction company) and present main contractor is Al Nahr Company Ltd. This company was registered in England and Wales as a foreign company FC017848 until July 31, 2003.
The imported goods from several worldwide countries (such as Italy, Spain, Germany, Japan, etc.) destined to the construction of the GMR arrived by sea via the entry port of Marsa al-Brega (Gulf of Sirte).

The total cost of the project is projected at more than US$25 billion. Libya claims to have completed the work to date without the financial support of major countries or loans from world banks. Since 1990 UNESCO has provided training to engineers and technicians involved with the project.
The fossil aquifer from which this water is being supplied is the Nubian Sandstone Aquifer System. It accumulated during the last ice age and is not currently being replenished. If 2007 rates of retrieval are not increased, the water could last a thousand years.[3][4]
A large, recently-settled lawsuit between the Libyan government and Brasoil, a subsidiary of the Brazilian national oil company, arose from the project. Brasoil was contracted to drill many of the wells in the early stages of the project.


Source:

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My Take:
How can you treat the leader with vision like Ghadafi in the manner they treat him?

The problem I see with those who oppose Gaddafi is that they are tired of being lead by one person for along time. By the way, has he signed an agreement with his "Chi" (God) that he'll be there forever. He has played his role and he ought to give others an opportunity to exercise their vision. Let that be a lesson to all those who behave that way.

 

[Dr Hope]

why should western countries "keep peace" in Libya and not in Somalia?

 

[Tata]

why should western countries "keep peace" in Libya and not in Somalia?

Mimi naona sababu tatu za kimsingi hapa:

• Somalia hakuna mafuta wakati Libya mafuta yapo ya kutosha kulipia gharama za uvamizi.
• Somalia ni mbali na ulaya hivyo siyo rahisi kwa wasomali kupanda boti kuingia ulaya kama ilivyo kwa wa libya ambao wako jirani sana na nchi za ulaya kama Italy na Spain. Kwa muda mfupi tu waliopigana wenyewe kwa wenyewe walibya, na watunisia wengi sana wamekimbilia ulaya.
• Ghadafi hakuwa mmoja wa vibaraka wa ulaya na marekani kama walivyo marais wa Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait na Egypt.

 

[Mohammed Hamad]

Tatizo ninaloliona hapa ni kuwa rasilimali za Libya wakubwa hawazifaidi! ingekuwa Libya kama Tanzania wakawawekeza wakubwa kwenye mafuta kama sie tulivyowawekeza kwenye migodi tena kwa masharti poa wananchi wakateseka!

Angalia nchi kama za Bahrain na Saud Arabia zinapeta licha ya utawala wao kuwa wa kifalme na usiokoma lakini hata kama kuna kelel za kweli za wananchi wanazimwa! kwakuwa wakubwa wana maslahi kwenye hizo nchi!

 

[Mohammed Hamad]

The problem I see with those who oppose Gaddafi is that they are tired of being lead by one person for along time. By the way, has he signed an agreement with his "Chi" (God) that he'll be there forever. He has played his role and he ought to give others an opportunity to exercise their vision. Let that be a lesson to all those who behave that way.

Wakubwa wanaotaka Gaddafi atoke kwa kupandikiza artificial claims mbona wanawakumbatia watawala wa Saudia, Bahrain na Qatar? au kwakuwa wana maslahi nako? wa ndio wao wenye hiyo bold nyekundu?

 

[popiexo]

When a U.S. Air Force pilot ejected from his crashing F-15 Eagle fighter jet and landed in rebel-held eastern Libya overnight Tuesday, he soon found that he was in friendly hands. "He was a very nice guy," Libyan businessman Ibrahim Ismail told Newsweek of the initially quite anxious American pilot. "He came to free the Libyan people." Rebel officials dispatched a doctor to attend to the pilot and presented him with a bouquet of flowers, according to Newsweek.
But the U.S. government, now engaged in a fourth day of air strikes against Libyan regime military targets, does not know very much about the rebels who now see it as a friendly ally in their fight to overthrow Muammar Gadhafi.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton held a 45-minute, closed-door meeting with Mahmoud Jibril, a leader of the newly formed Libyan opposition Interim National Council in a luxury Paris hotel earlier this month. But in a clear signal of America's wariness about all the unknowns, Clinton gave no public statement after their meeting and did not appear in photographs with the rebel leader. (By contrast, a week earlier French President Nicholas Sarkozy bestowed formal diplomatic recognition on the Council and was photographed shaking hands with its emissaries Jibril and Ali Essawi on the steps of the Elysee Palace.)

Middle East policy watchers note a glaring disconnect between the buoyant expectations of some rebel supporters that the international military coalition will provide direct air support for their armed struggle, and the insistence of U.S. military commanders that their mandate allows for no such thing.
The coalition mission doesn't include protecting forces engaged in combat against Libyan leader Muammar Gadhafi's forces, Gen. Carter Ham, the commander of U.S. Africa Command, told reporters Monday. His mission, Ham said, is narrowly confined to preventing Gadhafi forces from attacking civilians, getting Gadhafi's forces to pull back from rebel-held towns, and allowing civilians humanitarian access to food, water, and electricity/gas supplies, Ham said.
So who are the Libyan rebels with whom we now seem (for better or for worse) to be joined with in a shared fight against Gadhafi?
One view has it that the Libyan rebels are basically peaceful protesters who found their demonstrations against Gadhafi met with bullets and had no choice but to resort to violence.
"The protesters are nice, sincere people who want a better future for Libya," Human Rights Watch Emergencies Director Peter Bouckaert told South Africa's Business Day. "But their strength is also their weakness: they aren't hardened fighters, so no one knows what the end game will be."
"This is not really a civil war between two equal powers--it started as a peaceful protest movement and was met with bullets," Bouckaert continued. "Now you have a situation where you have a professional and heavily equipped army fighting a disorganized and inexperienced bunch of rebels who stand little chance against them."
Still, the rebels are largely unknown to the American government, despite initial tentative meetings such as Clinton's and some meetings held by U.S. Ambassador to Libya Gene Cretz with opposition representatives. (Cretz is now working out of the State Department, as the United States has withdrawn its diplomatic presence.) Last week, President Barack Obama appointed an American diplomat, Chris Stevens, to be the U.S. liaison to the Libyan opposition.
"We don't have the comfort level with the rebels," said the National Security Network's Joel Rubin, a former State Department official. "We certainly know some things about them, had meetings. It's not as if there's complete blindness. But I don't think at this stage the comfort level is there for that kind of close coordination."
But the Libyan rebels seem to have found western consultants who have offered advice on reassuring buzzwords the West would like to hear. On Tuesday, the Interim National Council issued just such a soothing statement from their rebel stronghold of Benghazi.
"The Interim National Council is committed to the ultimate goal of the revolution which is to build a democratic civil state, based on the rule of law, respect for human rights including ... equal rights and duties for all citizens, ... equality between men and women, " the Council said in their statement.
The Council also "reaffirms that Libya's foreign policy will be based on mutual respect and ... respect [for] international law and international humanitarian law," the group said.
(Photo, top: Libyan rebels on the road between Benghazi and Ajdabiyah: Suhaib Salem/Reuters. Photo, middle: France's President Nicolas Sarkozy shakes hands with Libyan Interim National Council emissaries Mahmoud Jibril (R) and Ali Essawi after a meeting at the Elysee Palace in Paris March 10, 2011: Gonzalo Fuentes/Reuters)

 

[Eqlypz]

Tatizo ninaloliona hapa ni kuwa rasilimali za Libya wakubwa hawazifaidi! ingekuwa Libya kama Tanzania wakawawekeza wakubwa kwenye mafuta kama sie tulivyowawekeza kwenye migodi tena kwa masharti poa wananchi wakateseka!

Angalia nchi kama za Bahrain na Saud Arabia zinapeta licha ya utawala wao kuwa wa kifalme na usiokoma lakini hata kama kuna kelel za kweli za wananchi wanazimwa! kwakuwa wakubwa wana maslahi kwenye hizo nchi!

Lini na wapi ulisikia utawala wa kifalme una kikomo?

 

[Gamba la Nyoka]

Jinsi Waisrael walivyowapa kiponda wapalestina Wa Gaza kipindi kile cha Gaza-war hakuna Western interference kulinda civilans, hizi double standard Zinasikitisha sana.

 

[Ehud]

Jinsi Waisrael walivyowapa kiponda wapalestina Wa Gaza kipindi kile cha Gaza-war hakuna Western interference kulinda civilans, hizi double standard Zinasikitisha sana.

Waisrael ndio west wenyewe. Wote wamoja

 

[Mpevu]

Jinsi Waisrael walivyowapa kiponda wapalestina Wa Gaza kipindi kile cha Gaza-war hakuna Western interference kulinda civilans, hizi double standard Zinasikitisha sana.

Well said, let the history lead the way on this matter.

 

[Janjaweed]

Great Manmade River



GMMRA logo


The Great Man-Made River (GMR, النهر الصناعي العظي&#1605 is a network of pipes that supplies water to the Sahara Desert in Libya, from the Nubian Sandstone Aquifer System fossil aquifer. It is the world's largest irrigation project.[1]
According to its website, it is the largest underground network of pipes and aqueducts in the world. It consists of more than 1,300 wells, most more than 500 m deep, and supplies 6,500,000 m³ of fresh water per day to the cities of Tripoli, Benghazi, Sirt and elsewhere. Muammar al-Gaddafi has described it as the "Eighth Wonder of the World."[2]



False-color image of the Grand Omar Mukhtar reservoir project. Water (dark blue) residing in reservoirs appears twice in this image, in the upper right and at the bottom. Vegetation appears red, cityscape structures such as pavement and buildings appear in gray, bare ground appears tan or beige.


In 1953, efforts to find oil in southern Libya led to the discovery of huge quantities of fresh water underground. The Great Man-made River Project (GMRP) was conceived in the late 1960s and work on the project began in 1984. The project's construction was divided into five phases. The first phase required 85 million m³ of excavation and was inaugurated on August 28, 1991. The second phase (dubbed First water to Tripoli) was inaugurated on September 1, 1996.

The project is owned by the Great Man-Made River Project Authority and funded by the Libyan government. Brown & Root and Price Brothers were responsible for the original design, and the primary contractor for the first phases was Dong Ah Consortium (a South Korean construction company) and present main contractor is Al Nahr Company Ltd. This company was registered in England and Wales as a foreign company FC017848 until July 31, 2003.
The imported goods from several worldwide countries (such as Italy, Spain, Germany, Japan, etc.) destined to the construction of the GMR arrived by sea via the entry port of Marsa al-Brega (Gulf of Sirte).

The total cost of the project is projected at more than US$25 billion. Libya claims to have completed the work to date without the financial support of major countries or loans from world banks. Since 1990 UNESCO has provided training to engineers and technicians involved with the project.
The fossil aquifer from which this water is being supplied is the Nubian Sandstone Aquifer System. It accumulated during the last ice age and is not currently being replenished. If 2007 rates of retrieval are not increased, the water could last a thousand years.[3][4]
A large, recently-settled lawsuit between the Libyan government and Brasoil, a subsidiary of the Brazilian national oil company, arose from the project. Brasoil was contracted to drill many of the wells in the early stages of the project.


Source:

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My Take:
How can you treat the leader with vision like Ghadafi in the manner they treat him?

all they want is to cripple africa wafanye wanavyotaka.. hutakaa usikie USA wanamsapoti african great man, Mandela knew it!!

 

[Janjaweed]

My Take:
How can you treat the leader with vision like Ghadafi in the manner they treat him?
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all they want is to cripple africa wafanye wanavyotaka.. hutakaa usikie USA wanamsapoti african great man, Mandela knew it!!

 

[cartura]

Geo-politics is a very intricate and subtle game with a lot of double standards

 

[Bantugbro]

Ni kweli na ajabu kuwa mwezi huu UN Human Rights Council walikuwa wamepitisha hoja ya kuisifia Jamhuri ya watu wa Libya chini ya uongozi wa Col. Gadaffi juu ya kazi nzuri ya kudumisha Haki za binadamu. Cha ajabu ni kwamba baada ya kupata mwanya wa kwenda kuchukua mafuta kibabe wameshasahau/au wanataka kuficha ukweli wa hali halisi....tafadhali endelea....

...It just so happens that the United Nations Human Rights Council was scheduled to take another important vote. What was that vote?

The Council was about to vote on a report that affirmed and praised Libya and Colonel Ghaddafi for THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS RECORD. The report said that the Ghaddafi government protected "not only political rights, but also economic, educational, social and cultural rights," and praised it for the nation's treatment of religious minorities, and the "human rights training" received by security forces.

It was to be approved at a vote later this month. Did something suddenly happen over night? If you believe it did, I have a bridge to sell you.

No less than 46 delegations to the controversial Human Rights Council made positive comments, with rare criticism from, who else, the United States.

They have moved to postpone the vote. Anyone wonder why? Let everyone, particularly those in positions of power, take notice. We know why. How embarrassing for the dogs of war that vote would be if it were held honestly, no pressure, no blackmail, no bribes. How embarrassing...first the best standard of living in Africa and now a commendation for human rights practices. What a terrible dictator Colonel Ghaddafi is!....

Source hapa chini:

Another Shocking UN cover up about Libya - English pravda.ru

 

[Ng'wanangwa]

Ni kweli na ajabu kuwa mwezi huu UN Human Rights Council walikuwa wamepitisha hoja ya kuisifia Jamhuri ya watu wa Libya chini ya uongozi wa Col. Gadaffi juu ya kazi nzuri ya kudumisha Haki za binadamu. Cha ajabu ni kwamba baada ya kupata mwanya wa kwenda kuchukua mafuta kibabe wameshasahau/au wanataka kuficha ukweli wa hali halisi....tafadhali endelea....




Source hapa chini:

Another Shocking UN cover up about Libya - English pravda.ru

mwandishi ana mentality za Kisoviet. Lazima awe biased.