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The West Policy on Libya Vs Putin

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    Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin Monday slammed the UN resolution allowing military action on Libya as a "medieval call to crusade" and hit out at Washington for its readiness to resort to force.

    In one of his most virulent diatribes against the West in years, Russia's de facto number one said there was no "logic" or "conscience" to the military action against Libya.

    "The resolution by the Security Council, of course, is defective and flawed," Putin told workers on a visit to a missile factory in the central Russian region of Udmurtia.

    "To me, it resembles some sort of medieval call to crusade when someone would appeal to someone to go to a certain place and free something there," he said in televised remarks, referring to the expeditions by armies in the Middle Ages to end Muslim rule over the holy land.

    Putin's comments marked a sharp hardening of Moscow's rhetoric against the Western military action on Libya after Russia abstained from the UN resolution last week, refusing to use its veto which would have blocked its passage.

    The Russian prime minister also lashed out at the "steady trend" of US military intervention around the world, accusing Washington of acting without conscience.

    "I am concerned about the ease with which the decision to use force was taken," Putin was quoted as saying in reference to the current international campaign in Libya.

    Noting that the United States had already involved itself in the former Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq, Putin added: "Now it's Libya's turn.

    "And all of this under the guise of protecting peaceful civilians. Where is the logic, where is the conscience? There is neither one nor the other," Putin said.

    He did not elaborate over why Russia had abstained in the resolution vote when it was so staunchly opposed to the text.

    Putin added that the events in Libya showed that Russia had taken the right decision in strengthening its military capabilities, in possible reference to its massive new $650 billion rearmament plan.

    "Today's events in Libya prove that we are doing everything right in terms of strengthening Russia's military capabilities," he said.

    He also announced that Russia planned to double the production of strategic and tactical missile systems from 2013.

    "Already from 2013 production of missile systems should virtually double," Russian news agencies quoted Putin as saying.

    Russian air-defence troops would also receive the S-400, an advanced surface-to-air missile system, as part of a current army overhaul, Putin was quoted as saying.

    Putin's hardline comments sit awkwardly with the reset in US-Russia ties championed by his successor in the Kremlin, President Dmitry Medvedev, which has seen a swift warming of relations over the last months.

    Putin's comments came despite conciliatory remarks from US defence secretary Robert Gates, who praised Moscow for refusing to block military action against Libya as evidence of "extraordinary" progress in US-Russia ties.

    Currently in Russia's second city Saint Petersburg, Gates heads to Moscow on Tuesday to meet his Russian counterpart, Anatoly Serdyukov, and President Dmitry Medvedev.

    However, conspicuously, there was no scheduled meeting with Putin for Gates' visit.

    Observers have long speculated that the US favours Medvedev over Putin. Some reports even suggested that US Vice President Joe Biden wanted to warn Putin against considering a return to the Kremlin in 2012 polls, on his visit to Russia this month.

    Russia had initially backed international measures against the Kadhafi regime, signing on to UN Security Council sanctions that imposed an arms embargo against Libya and other sanctions against Kadhafi's family.

    Some Russian defence officials had initially expressed concern about the sanctions, saying the UN arms export prohibition may cost the country some $4 billion in current and future contracts.
     
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    Vain words, can't help a thing
     
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    Hahah umeona majibu kutoka kwa rais wake?
    By the way Russia waache unafiki, kwa nini hawakuveto hiyo resolution?
     
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    21 March 2011 Last updated at 17:50 GMT
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    Medvedev rejects Putin 'crusade' remark over Libya

    [​IMG] Dmitry Medvedev had been widely seen as being Mr Putin's man
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    Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev has said Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's description of the UN resolution on Libya is "unacceptable".
    The rare rebuke came after Mr Putin said the resolution resembled "medieval calls for crusades".
    Mr Medvedev said such comments could "lead to a clash of civilisations".
    The UN resolution, which Russia abstained from voting on, authorised military action in Libya to protect civilians from pro-Gaddafi forces.
    Mr Medvedev told Russian news agencies: "Under no circumstances is it acceptable to use expressions which essentially lead to a clash of civilisations, such as 'crusade' and so on.
    "It is unacceptable. Otherwise, everything may end up much worse compared to what's going on now."
    Mr Putin had said UN Security Council Resolution 1973, which was adopted on Thursday, was "defective and flawed" as it "allows for everything".
    The resolution authorises "all necessary measures" to protect civilians in Libya, but Mr Putin said there was no logic in killing civilians to achieve that end.
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    Steve Rosenberg BBC News, Moscow
    Mr Medvedev's comment appears to be a slap on the wrists for Mr Putin. By commenting on the UN Security Council resolution and the coalition's actions, Mr Putin was straying into foreign policy - traditionally the president's business.
    We have heard Mr Medvedev rap the knuckles of his prime minister before. Last year, after Mr Putin spoke to the media about the trial of oligarch Mikhail Khodorvksy, the president responded by saying that officials should not discuss the case in public.
    But it is not clear whether these verbal differences mark a break in relations within the political "tandem" running Russia, or whether they simply reflect the two distinct roles which Mr Putin and Mr Medvedev have adopted as part of the same team: Mr Medvedev playing the "good cop" - the liberal reformer, the Westerniser, the moderniser - and Mr Putin representing the hardman of Russian politics.

    He said he was worried at the ease with which decisions to use force in international affairs were being taken.
    Mr Putin and Mr Medvedev's comments are the most public sign so far of a split in Russia's political leadership.
    Mr Medvedev has traditionally been seen as "Putin's man" and many had expected him to return his title to the former President Putin at elections next year.
    Analysts have suggested that Mr Medvedev is attempting to position himself as a modernising force in the run-up to the elections.
    But in November last year, Mr Medvedev warned that Russia risked slipping into a period of political "stagnation" by being dominated by the pro-Kremlin United Russia party.
    Neither Mr Medvedev nor Mr Putin has publicly declared their intention to run for the presidency.
    The BBC's Steve Rosenberg in Moscow says Mr Putin's strong criticism of the UN's resolution could be designed to distance himself from Mr Medvedev's foreign policy decisions and to boost his own domestic popularity by talking tough.
    However, his comments are unlikely to change Russia's approach to the Libyan crisis, says our correspondent - which has been to criticise the coalition's military intervention but not stand in its way.
     
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    Nimeangalia CNN this morning Obama anasema its US policy Ghadafi has to go! nimecheka sana! ama kweli marekani wasipokutaka utakoma!
     
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    Gadaff sio wa kuonewa huruma hata kidogo,he dont have place in civillized world
     
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    Angalia afghanstan. Iraq. Na kokote walipotia mguu. Hali imebaki mbaya kuliko mwanzo. Afu hiyo no fly zone kwa vipi wasiifanye Israel?
     
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    Hakuna na haita tokea kuwepo kwani wao wanafanya hivyo kwa maslahi binafsi.

    kama kweli wanatetea haki kwanini wasiende kumwondoa Bagbo kwa nguvu.

    Wanataka mafuta tu ya Libya.
     
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    zenji si kuna mafuta ... mbona hwavamii...?
     
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    Waacheni wamarekani, hata comment yako hii hawatasoma na utapoteza muda bure, kama vipi kavae bomu kajilipue kama wenzako wanavyofanya.

    Unataka humu tuseme nini, walipiga iraq, afghan, wanapiga libya na watafanya hivyo popote pale wakitaka.

    Libya gafadi anachofanya sidhani kama utaingiza udini hapo, wanaouawa ni wenzako wa dini yako.

    Kesho na sisi Tanzania tukiwa superpower tunaamua lolote, hakuna wa kumzuia mmarekani , kwa hiyo kunywa coca, sikiliza mziki acha pressure utakufa bure, wameshindwa iran uje wewe! DUA ZA KUKU!

    I hate USA too, what should I do, to curse them??
     
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    mkuu ... huu ushauri wako nimeupenda sana
     
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    saudi arabia maana bila uwepo wao pale, wa king abdullah wangekuwa na hali mbaya. hata wewe unamsaidia yule unayemtaka au kujua utafaidika direct au indirect kwa vitu vinavyoonekana au visivyoonekana kama urafiki etc.
     
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    umesahau YUGOSLAVIA???????????????????????pale haikupatikana amani.
     
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    These guys are always strategic...i doubt the way they act...full usanii..
     
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    Kosovo chini ya Amiri Jeshi Bill Clinton mwaka 1998-1999;baada ya majeshi ya USA kuwa deplored hali ilitulia na vita vya kidini vikaisha na sasa UN inayo orodha ndefu ya watu wanaotafutwa kwa kuchochea vita vile ili wafikishwe mahakamani!

    Kama katili Slobadan Milosevic alifikishwa mahakamani hadi akafia jela March 2006;itakuwa la ajabu lipi kwa dikteta Muammar Gaddafi na mtoto wake Saif Al-Islam nao kufikishwa mahakamani kujibu mashataka watakayosomewa?

    Naama nawakumbusha kuwa;Milosevic yeye alikuwa mkristo na Muammar Gaddafi ni muislam ;lkn wote walifanya makosa ya ukatili dhidi ya walio wapigia kura wawaongoze;kwa hiyo tusiwahurumie hata kidogo!
     
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    Hili swali lingeuliazwa hivi, "Nikumbusheni ni wapi marekani iliingilia kijeshi ikafanikiwa kuleta MACHAFUKO? "
    Hapo ningekuwa na majibu ya kutosha tuu.
     
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    Kumbuka vifaa vingi vya ulinzi vya Libya ni toka RUSSIA
     
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    Nchi ziko nyingi tu
    South Korea
    Japan
    Guam
    Marshal Islands
    Vietnam
    Philippines
    Panama
    Italy
    Iceland
    Serbia/Kosovo/Bosnia
     
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