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Kuna mengi yaliyojificha nyuma ya uchomaji makanisa Unguja

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  1. Zak Malang

    Zak Malang JF-Expert Member

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    Hii issue ya maandamano ya Uamsho, vurugu zilizotokea na uchomaji wa makanisa ina mengi yaliyojificha kuliko tulivyoona na kuamini (au kuaminishwa).

    Kuna wanaoona kuna mikakati ilibuniwa rasmi na kupangwa kimakusudi kwa lengo la kupindisha ajenda ya awali waliokuwa nayo Uamsho ya kuuhoji Muungano au hata kutaka uvunjwe.

    Haijulikani mikakati hii ilifanywa na akina nani lakini kulikuwapo thread moja humu JF siku chache zilizopita ambayo iliondolewa iliyosema kuwa kule Visiwani wengi walikuwa wanaamini kuwa Usalama wa Taifa (UWT) ndiye walipanga mikakati hiyo kwa madhumuni hayo hayo ya kupotezesha lengo halisi la mikakati ya Uamsho.

    Mikakati hii ya UWT kama kweli wao ndiyo walitekeleza itakuwa imefanikiwa kwa kiasi kikubwa kwani dhoruba kali tayari imewaangukia Uamsho kwani hatimaye wamejikuta wanabebeshwa lawama la uchomaji wa makanisa, kitu ambacho wengi katika taasisi hiyo wanaamini kuwa siyo wao waliotenda kitendo hicho, ingawa katika mazingira yalivyokuwa itakuwa vigumu kutohusishwa nayo.

    Tutegemee vyombo vya dola iwapo kweli watawakamata watu wale hasa waliochoma makanisa hayo, na siyo kamata-kamata tu ya holela. Kuna usemi unaosema kwamba Uchomaji wa majengo (yaani arson) ni rahisi sana kutenda lakini ni vigumu sana kuwabaini mhusika/wahusika halisi. (It is easy to commit arson than to detect those responsible).

    Kuna watu wameicheza hii kama Messi. Ni dhoruba ambayo kwa waliokusudia wanaona wamefanikiwa kuizima kabisa mikakati yote ya ajenda ya kuuhoji na/au kuuvunja Muungano kwani hakuna tena huko Unguja atakayeweza kuja na kitu hii – kwani wataambiwa ‘Nyie hamna lolote – ajenda yenu kumbe ni udini tu, na siyo Muungano!”

    Ni hakika watu wa uamsho wamejinasa. Dola imepata sababu kubwa ya kupiga marufuku tena maandamano/harakati zozote kuhusu kuhojiwa Muungano kule Unguja.

    Hii inatokana na ukweli kwamba suala zima la Muungano katika mchakato wa kuandika Katiba mpya limawakalia vibaya sana watawala kwani wameshasema kwamba Muungano usiguswe. Na ugumu mkubwa ulikuwa unatoka Visiwani lakini sasa inaonekana wamefanikiwa kulizima – pengine labda kwa muda tu.

    Sasa hivi Tume ya Katiba inaweza kuingia Visiwani na kufanya kazi bila hofu, pamoja na kwamba kutumika kwake Zanzibar bado ni kitendawili kutokana na sheria iliyoiunda ktk Bunge la Muungano kutothibitishwa na Baraza la Wawakilishi.





     
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    andrews JF-Expert Member

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    MKONO WA CCM UPO KWA 100%MAANA HAWAKUBALI KUSHINDWA MUASISI WA WIZI WA KURA MALECELA SASA WAMESHINDWA KUIBA WANAONA WATUMIE WAISLAM WA ZANZIBAR KUWAGAWA WATANZANIA SHAME ON YOU CCM MUNGU ATAWALAANI NA VIZAZI VYENU KWA KUTAKA KUTUTENGANISHA WATZ:violin:
     
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    Ritz JF-Expert Member

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    Mmm! Kama kuna kaukweli hivi...ngoja waje wajuzi wa mambo.
     
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    Hata mie hayo usemayo yamekuwa yananitatiza sana.
     
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    Tume ya Katiba JF-Expert Member

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    Wewe ni great thinker.

    umesahau kuongeza na mkakati wa just baad ya masaa 12, kualikwa mabalozi wa canada n US na wengineo na kisha tamko kutolewa naubalozi wa US.

    Kimsingi serikali wameshinda, nimemsikiliza nimesoma maelezo ya shein leo nkajua ndio basi tena.

    Shein anasisitiza watu wasubiri tume ya katiba! lakini haijulikani ni kwa kiasi gani hiyo tume itayachukua hayo maoni na kuyatekeleza.

    Bahati mbaya kuna baadhi ya member humu wameingia katika mtego huu kwa makusudi au kwa bahati mbaya. inasikitisha sana.
     
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    Zak Malang JF-Expert Member

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    Hawa UWT are capable of doing virtually anything under the sun. They can murder (eg Gen Kombe murder) and get away with it. Siwezi shangaa kama itakuwa ni wao!
     
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    kelvito JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu wamefanikiwa kwakweli, Inaonyesha ni kweli uchomaji wa makanisa Ulipangwa!
     
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    Zak Malang JF-Expert Member

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    Hakika Wapemba wamewezwa. Wamekatwa midomo kuhusu kuhoji Muungano.
     
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    platozoom JF-Expert Member

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    Kama ni serikali itakuwa imefanya hivyo, basi imefanya na kufanikiwa kwa mgongo wa Wazinzibar wajinga!!! Na hapa simtukani mtu........Idadi kubwa ya wale vijana waliokuwa wanaandamana na kuchoma matairi/makanisa si waajiriwa wa TISS.

    Uamsho & Co wamewashindilia watu chuki wakawa kama mafuta ya taa....kinachofuata ni kama kumsukuma mlevi.
     
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    Ndibalema JF-Expert Member

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    Nilishasema hilo suala la uchomaji wa makanisa ni mkakati wa serikali ya CCM.
    Uamsho sio wajinga kiasi hiko hata kama wana chuki na Wakristo lakini wasingeweza kutumia mbinu ya kuchoma makanisa.
     
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    Zak Malang JF-Expert Member

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    Habari nilizopata zasema kuna timu maalum ya wataalamu ilitoka Bara kwenda Znz Ijumaa usiku au jumamosi asubuhi na vifaa maalum vya kuchomea makanisa huku wachomaji wakiwa mbali, vifaa vinaitwa flame thowers.

    Ile vurugu na milio ya milipuko ya mabomu ya machozi usiku kucha iliweza kufunika harakati hizi za uchomaji.
     
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    tpmazembe JF-Expert Member

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    JAMANI HAYA MAMBO YAKO WAZI HAWA VIJANA WAMEANDAMANA SIKU TATU ,NA KANISA WAMECHOMA SIO MARA MOJA,
    • SIKU YA KUKAMATWA KWA KIONGOZI WAO WAKIWA KWENYE MAANDAMANO KWENDA KWEREKWE WAKACHOMA KARIAKOO AU KUNA UTATA?
    • SIKU YA PILI WAMEWASHA MATAIRI BARABARANI HAO UAMSHO WANAFUKUZWA NA MABOMU WANARUDI ILI KIONGOZI WAO ATOE AU HILO LA KUCHOMA MATAIRI ROAD LINA UTATA?
    • WAKICHOMA MATAIRI MITAA YA KISONGE NAKWEREKWE MCHANA KWEUPE WAKAENDA KUCHOMA KANISA LA MPENDAE TENA WAKIWA WANATOKEA KWEREKWE AU KUNA UTATA?
    • WAKIWA KISONGE WAMEWASHA MATAIRI MAGARI HAYAPITI WANASHINIKIZA KIONGOZI WAO AACHIWE WAKACHOMA MAGARI YA WATU AU KUNA UTATA?
    • MAANDAMANO YAO WALIYOKUWA WANAFANYA KUTOKEA MSIKITINI NA KUSABABISHWA BARABARA KUFUNGWA NALO LINA UTATA KUWA PENGINE WALIOKUWA WANAFUKUZWA NA MABOMU AMBAO HATA KWENYE TV NA MAGAZETI WAMEONEKANA NAO SIO UAMSHO?
    • MIKUTANO YAO WANAYOENDELEA MSIKITINI NA WANAYOENDELEA KUITANGAZA HUKU VIONGOZI WAO WAKISEMA WATAENDELEA NA MIKUTANO NAYO WAMESINGIZIWA?

    hapo kuna nini kisicho wazi ndani ya siku tatu maandamano na kuchoma makanisa kila siku yote hiyo wamesingiziwa?kama sio kikundi cha fujo hiyo kuchoma matairi na vurugu barabarani serikali imedanganya?naombeni majibu
     
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    Ritz JF-Expert Member

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    Hizi habari zinazidi kutungua ngoja kwanza niwe msomaji kwanza Mzee Mwanakijiji pita huku utupe mchango wako.
     
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    Zak Malang JF-Expert Member

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    Ndugu yangu, ukisoma thread No 11 hapo juu ya Counterpunch yanayoelezwa yanawezekana. UWT walichukulia hasira za vijana hao nao kufanya vitu vyao -- hata kwa siku ngapi. They are capable of doing it!
     
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    Kuna nini kimejificha nyuma ya pazia? Kolimba alipohoji Muungano mambo yalotokea kila mtu anauliza mpaka leo, Jumbe nae alipotaka kugusa babu wa watu kipofu mpaka leo, Komandoo Salmin nae kutaka kubadili zenji nae kapofuka ! na wengine walowahi kuwa huko nyuma kama Almarhum BAbu kila aliejaribu kugusa basi kilichomtokea ni makubwa, hili huenda lina ukweli na kama ni kweli basi tutegemee mengi kule Zanzibar , nina imani kuna linalojificha nyuma ya pazia MUUNGANO UNA NINI?
     
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    Tuko JF Bronze Member

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    Bado ni vigumu kuwatenganisha UAMSHO na uchomaji makanisa kwa sababu zifuatazo
    1. Walishatamka maneno hadharani kuonyesha chuki yao dhidi ya makanisa. Rejea kauli zao kuwa 'kanisa lisiwaingilie mambo yao'
    2. Sio mara ya kwanza kuchomwa makanisa Zanzibar. Ingawa kuho vyuma waliochoma inawezekana hawakuwa UAMSHO (kwa sababu pengine haikuwepo), inamaanisha kuwa kuna watu/makundi ya watu yana chuki dhidi ya ukristo zanzibar. Ni rahisi sana wakajipenyeza ndani ya UAMSHO
    3. Kulikuwa na chance kubwa na nzuri kwa mtu yeyote Zanzibar kuanzisha vuguvugu la kudai 'uhuru' bila kuhusisha dini. Kitendo cha UAMSHO kutumia vikundi nya kidini, maimamu na mihadhara ya kidini kudai Zanzibar yao hakiwatenganishi na UDINI kamwe
    4. UAMSHO wanafanya pia mihadhara ya kiislamu. Kila mtu anafahamu kuwa mihadhara ya kiislamu imejaa matusi na kebehi dhidi ya UKRISTO. Watu wengi wanazisikia cassettes za kutoka kwenye mihadhara zinavyotunaka UKRISTO. hakuna jambo jingine zaidi ya chuki za kidini linaloweza kumhamasisha mtu kutukana dini ya mwenzake


    JUMIKI wanahusika, na hawawezi kupinga hilo kuwa hawajachoma makanisa...
     
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    mkomatembo JF-Expert Member

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    Nakuunga mkono 100% sasa wameumbuka jamani! watu wameanza kuujua ukweli! ipo siku Mwenye ez Mungu atalipa hakika! dhulma wanayoifanya ni kubwa na hasira za Mwenye ez Mungu siku moja zitawaangamiza wote wanaotumia muungano kukandamiza na kuua watu !
     
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    Zak Malang JF-Expert Member

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    Hata vile vipeperushi dhidi ya Wabara kuhama etc inawezekana pia ni UWT. Lakini kikubwa ni motive. hakika suala la muungano lilikuwa shubiri kwa watawala wa pande mbili za Muungano na walionekana hawana mwanya wa kutokea. Wakabuni kitu hii. They are smart in some ways, lakini inawezekana hii ni short term relief.
     
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    Tuko JF Bronze Member

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    Sioni ni kwa vipi UWT wangetumia mbinu dhaifu hivyo kuiangamiza JUMIKI. Tumewaona kwenye vyombo vya habari waandamanaji wa JUMIKI wakichoma matairi barabarani na kuziba barabara. Why should that happen?
     
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    Zak Malang JF-Expert Member

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    Kwa kiasi kikubwa umejibiwa na Mkomatembo (post No 15). Kumbuka kwamba Muungano ni 'no go area' in so far as CCM govt is concerned. Ni kitu ambacho wanapatia uhalali kuendelea kutawala (kwa fikra zao) na ni kitu ambacho CCM wanategemea sana kitawaokoa mwaka 2015. Kuvunja Muungano ni kitu ambacho CCM haina compromise kabisa!
     
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