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Jibu la prof Sheriff kwa prof Tibaijuka

Discussion in 'Jukwaa la Siasa' started by Juniors, Jan 27, 2012.

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    HABARI ZENU,

    The controversy about the extension of the sea boundary has come at the right time when Zanzibaris have shown that they will no longer be hijacked when their vital national interest are at stake, regardless of party affiliation. It was rather disingenuous for Prof Tubaijuka to try to introduce party divisions when she claimed that CUF was claiming that Zanzibar was not consulted.

    If she heard the debate in the House of Representatives, it was almost unanimous, and prominent CCM backbenchers made a point of saying that this was not the question of CUF but of the whole of Zanzibar. She should not try to divide Zanzibaris again. We have suffered enough from such tactics.

    It seems that mainland leaders feel that if you have a few Zanzibaris in your gang, then Zanzibaris are represented – and it is never difficult to get a few vibaraka, as we know all too well from our history. The question is whether the people in Zanzibar even knew this business was cooking – certainly the House of Representatives, a body that was elected by the whole people of Zanzibar, did not know about it until the professor was in New York presenting the document to the UN. I and many of my friends who try to keep up with events affecting our country were taken by surprise.

    Prof Tibaijuka may be right that some people even in the Zanzibar Government may have been aware of this project, but the Minister of Lands in Zanzibar, Mr Shamhuna himself said in the House of Representatives that he know about it, but the Zanzibar Government did not know it officially.

    The Executive Summary of Tanzania's submission to the UN has 2 long lists of institutions and people who were involved in this project, but mentions only Shamhuna's Ministry of Lands out of 9 institutions, and only one State Attorney from Zanzibar out of 8 members of the Technical Core Group.

    Now Professor Tubaijuka mentions a few more names of Zanzibari ‘representative', including my friend and former student Zakia Meghji, but if my memory serves me right, she used to be an MP for Moshi, and has never pretended to be representing Zanzibar except as a person who was born in Zanzibar. This is definitely a case of desperation in looking for Zanzibari faces.

    But all this still does not cover the substantive issue involved. It is well known that Foreign Affairs is a Union matter, and therefore any dealings with the UN has to involve the Minister of Foreign Affairs, even if the exact issue involves only one side of our Union. There are plenty of cases when this has been done about issues concerning non-Union matters of Mainland Tanzania.

    Therefore, it is not a favour to Zanzibar that once in a while the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has to take up the case when Zanzibar's interests are concerned – it is our right, iof we are part of the Union. The same applies to the defence of Tanzania's territorial boundaries, which include the now extended boundaries in the Indian Ocean – that is its responsibility.


    But this does not mean that the Union Government therefore becomes the owner of all the resources within the territorial boundaries of Tanzania. The Articles of Union had defined 11 Union Matters that came under the Union Government, and the sea is not one of them. Since 1964, the Union Matters have been increased to 22, illegally according to Prof.

    Shivji, but even in this extended list you will look in vain for the blue seas. It is for this reason that Prof. Tubaijuka is the Minister of Lands, Housing and Human Settlements Development (all non-Union matters), but the seas are not included. Why she was sent and not the Minister of Foreign Affairs is for the Union President to explain.


    Therefore, it has to be admitted that since the oceanic resources are not a Union matter, but are of vital concern for the islands of Zanzibar which are surrounded by the sea on all sides, the people of Zanzibar have a direct stake in what is decided about their resources. And here it is not enough to mention a few names, however, highly placed they may be, and say Zanzibaris were represented.


    The same argument was used in the case of the first draft of the Constitution Bill. Former Speaker Samuel Sitta claimed that Zanzibaris were consulted, naming the Zanzibar Minister of Good Governance and the AG, but it turned out that they were asked to submit their recommendations, but adopted only two out of 13, and threw the rest in the dustbin, and then went on to add many more without consulting even the Zanzibar Government.

    Don't they ever learn?

    What the Representative Ismail Jussa was trying to do was to teach our Big Brother another lesson, and the mainland-based Swahili newspaper dares to ask him to apologise to Prof Tubaijuka?

    I think it is Prof Tubaijuka and the Union Government that need to apologise to the people of Zanzibaris for trying once gain to take us for a ride. But as the old politician Hasan Nassor Moyo told Samuel Sitta, the new generation in Zanzibar is not the same as the old generation of the 1960s, and will not say ‘hewallah bwana.'

    Abdul Sheriff
     
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    Safi sana
     
  3. Zinedine

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    Is it true that this article was written by the one who has been introduced as Professor?
     
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    marhaba JF-Expert Member

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    Upupu...tibaijuka alienda kwa niaba ya tanzania kwa kua hakuna nchi inayoitwa zanzibar.
     
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    The issue of Union btw Tanzania main Land and Zanzibar need to be given a special attention during the draft of the New constitution. There are several issues need to be clarified so that Tanzanians will live at peace.

    When you talk to main-lander they will point fingers to several issues including favor given to Zanzibarians, also when you speak to islanders they will do exactly the same.

    It is very funny to think of 40Million people they don't have even a semi-autonomous state but 1million plus people they have their own government. To me without iron out first the issue of union in the constitution we will keep complaining in vain.
     
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    Nilijua tu ungejibu hivyo!
     
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    Kwa kiingereza hiki!huyu kweli ni proffessor wa Zanzibar!!
     
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    Kwani ipo nchi duniani inayoitwa Tanzania? Tazma vizuri katiba na ramani yako.

     
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    Wengine wanaishi mjini kwa kupepeta midomo na kuendesha mazogo. Ukisema uanze ku reason nao utaishi njia panda. Wanashinda kila argument itakayotokea na makombe ya ushindi wanayo. Tayari kwa kuwaonyesha vijukuu na vitukuu jinsi walivyo mahiri kwenye ushindani wa maneno.
     
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    Mbona mnajichanganya? Huyo Shamhuna alijua haya kupitia kijiweni? Mbona hamkanushi kuwa hakuna wawakilishi kutoka SMZ walihusika na mchakakto huo?
     
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    ilboru ilitoa watu na viatu
     
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    nadhani kabla ya kutukana sana, ungekuwa msomi mwema kwa kutafuta na kumtambua huyu ni nani ? katika fani za elimu na duniani.
     
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    Tukiendelea kung'ang'ania huu muungano wa serikali mbili, matatizo hayatakwisha hata siku moja. Imefika wakati tuangalie moja kati ya options zifuatazo:-
    1. Tuwe na serikali 3, ya Zanzibar, ya Tanganyika na ya Muungano.
    2. Tuwe na serikali moja tu ya Muungano ili Wazanzibar nao wakubali kuipoteza serikali yao kama ilivyofanya Tanganyika
    3. Tuuvunje Muungano ili kila nchi iangalie mambo yake yenyewe, Tanganyika ipate uhuru wake kwa mara nyingine na zanzibar pia iachane na "mkoloni" Tanzania.
    Vinginevyo tuking'ang'ania sera za ccm za muundo wa serikali mbili, tujiandae kwa matatizo makubwa zaidi siku za mbeleni.
     
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    Comrade Sherrif!!
    I wont call you a professor unless am satisfied with your responses!!!!!!
    UNION; TANZANIA; ZANZIBAR; TANZANIA MAINLAND.
    UNION: You are arguing about the matter being presented by Minister of Land. she is not a union Minister:- Do you have problem with the content or the person represented? Verify:-Mr. Bilal was promoting agriculture in Moshi is that a union matter? should we deny his comment just because he is from Zanzibar?
    I will discuss the rest when I get explanation on the above matter!!

    Martin Luther King Jr. ever Said "WE SHOULD NOT JUDGE PEOPLE FROM THEIR APPEARENCE/BACKGROUND, BUT JUDGE THE CONTENT THEY DELIVER!"
    You must know this before criticising!!
     
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    Mtoboasiri JF-Expert Member

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    Hata mie nashangaa! Kama huyu aliendika ni Prof, then I am Obama - yes the Pres of USA!
     
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    Mkuu sijatukana.Nimelenga kusifia mtiririko wasomi wa Zanzibar(hasa Maprof na Madr.) wa Zanzibar ni "wazuri"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kiufupi no coherence.
     
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    Hawa watu waajabu sana, Wakati wa hotuba ya Tundu Lisu bungeni akichambua mikanganyo ya muungano walipiga kelele sana hawa watu kumpinga, leo yanajitokeza mambo haohao wana piga tena kelele kama kundi la wehu. Ajabu sana.
     
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    Natofautiana kabisa na Prof Shariff. Sio kila raia Tanzania bara anajua kila kitu kuhusu huu mchakato wa kuomba nyongeza ya eneo la bahari. Na hata bunge letu sio wabunge wote (wa bara na visiwani) wanlifahamu hili. Na sioni ni kwa vipi serikali inaweza kufanya kazi kwa kuongea na watu milioni 40 kwa kila jambo. Yapo mambo yanajadiliwa katika bunge, baraza la wawakili, na yapo mambo yanajadiliwa katiba baraza la mawaziri. Huo ndio mfumo tulionao. Na kwenye mchakato huu serikali ya mapinduzi Zanzibar ilishirikishwa kikamilifu kupitia cabinet. Kama Prof Sharif na Jussa hawakupata taarifa sio hoja maana wao hawapo kwenye cabinet.

    Hizi kelele za kuwa tunaonewa zinaonekana kupanda nyuzi joto tangu CUF kuingia serikalini. Lakini wengi wanafahamu kuwa CUF wanaamini Tangayinka ndio imekuwa kikwazo kwao (CUF) kutekeleza azma wa wajomba zao. Na wapo waliokiuwa na mawazo sawa na CUF lakini hawakujitokeza hadharani pengine kwa kuhofia kuwa kitumbua kingeingia mchanga. Sasa wanajitokeza maana hakuna boundaries tena. sisi sote ni wamoja! adui yetu ni yule! sisi vs.wao!

    Prof Sharif alitaka Prof Anna Tibaijuka apande boti akamweleze Jussa kuwa anaenda UN kuwasilisha maombi? Kwa nini asimkabe koo Dr Shein ambaye ni mjumbe kwenye cabinet ya Jamhuri ya Muungano? Kwa nii asimuulize maswali mwenyekiti wa kamati ya mchakato ambaye anatoka Zanzibar? Kwa nini asiende kwenye ofisi za Wizara ya Ardhi na kuwaamuru waombe msamaha kwa kutowapa wananchi taarifa hizi? Zakia Meghji ameenda New York akiwakilisha Zanzibar kwa nini Prof Sharif na Jussa hawajamuhoji? Prof Anna Tibaijuka anaingiaje hapa?

    Hoja kwamba wawakilishi toka pande zote mbili (CCM & CUF) waliunga mkono hoja ya Jussa ni ya kutazama kwa makini. Kabla ya kuwasilisha hii hoja kwenye baraza la wawakilishi Jussa amepita kila mahali akipandisha maruhani ya watu ili wakubaliane na madai yake! Kitu ambacho Jussa hakusema ni kama je mchakato ulimhusisha nani toka Zanzibar? Sasa naona amemvuta Prof Shariff baada ya mambo kuwekwa hadharani na Prof Tibaijuka. Hivi kweli kama kuna kasoro kwenye huu mchakato njia anazotumia Jussa (na sasa Prof Sheriff) ndio sahihi kurebesha? Huku sio kuendeleza siasa za kishwari ambazo CUF wana ujuzi nazo? Kwa nini wasikae chini wakajidili? Kuna siku Jussa au Prof Shariff ametaka kuonana na wajumbe wa kamati husika ili kutoa dukuduku lao? Mambo ya kitoto kabisa haya.
     
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    Hivi tatizo hapa ni nini hasa:
    -Ombi lililowasilishwa UN?
    -Aliyeliwasilisha UN?
    -Taarifa kwa BLW kukosekana?
    -Ndoto za Mafuta kwenye mwambao huu?
    -Mipaka mipya ya "NCHI" ya Zanzibar ndani ya Katiba yao?
    -Katiba ya JMT kutokuwa na nafasi tena huko Zanzibar?
    -Ni wapi KATIBA ya JMT imevunjwa?
    -Umaarufu tu wa kisiasa wa Jussa & Co.?
    -Nani ananufaika na malumbano haya ya kijinga?
    Au agenda ni nyingine kabisa!
     
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    Kudi Shauri Senior Member

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    The points raised by Mr. Sheriff are interesting. Using the same logic one could then argue that Professor Bilal as Union Vice President from Zanzibar should only be dealing with the 12 union matters and should not be involved in any non union matter. Likewise Tanzania Ambassadors abroad who are from Zanzibar should not represent Tanzania in any non uniun matter - this should be done by the indigenous mainland officers at their embassies. For a full professor to argue as such shows the naivette and jingoism of this Jussa Group.
     
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