Resolution for Palestinian State Fails in United Nations

Adiosamigo said:
There will be no change in Israeli policy towards the occupied territories unless it is forced to do so. If the West Bank had one quarter of the weapons that the Gaza Strip has, Israel would be eliminated in one day.
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The Palestinians are Arabs.

The Arabs came from Arabia and violently invaded the Land of Israel in the year 635 CE, soon after the appearance of the Islam.

Therefore, the land of the Palestinians is Arabia, and not the Land of Israel, which some people improperly call “Palestine", so that the Arabs who entitle themselves "Palestinians” cannot want to rob the land of the Israelites (also called Jews, or Hebrews).

The people of Israel is the people of God, entrusted to build and to maintain the Sanctuary of God (Exodus 19:5-6 and Exodus 25:8).

The people of Israel will reconstruct the Temple of God, which was destroyed by the Roman Empire in the year 70 CE, and in the future all the nations will convert to God and will start to obey all the commandments of the Law of God (Torah), and will worship God in His Sanctuary, in Jerusalem, and will live in peace, and there will not be wars anymore (Isaiah 2:1-4 and Zechariah 14:16-17).
 
Ishmael said:
You are not answering my questions.

You have no refutations.

You have no evidence or arguments.

You were refuted on your protests.

Where is your refutation of the many evidence I provided?
You dodged them!

Where is Palestine in the Quran?
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You know dogo, you just keep repeating the same question over and over again almost every time(All Threads). I still have problems with the type who repeat the same thing. dogo; What does the name Israel mean? The first time the name "Israel" is used in the Bible is in;
So the name "Israel" was given to Jacoub as a Spiritual name. Jacoub's self-sufficiency was gone, he was willing to give up self and follow God. His new Spiritual name referred to his character. The name Jacoub means deceiver. So the name change symbolizes his transformation in CHARACTER.


"ISRAEL'S" (JACOUB'S) SONS ARE ALSO CALLED ISRAEL-ITES (Heirs of Israel)

The Children of Israel went into Egypt

 Refer;
Israel is called "My son, My firstborn"

 Refer; NOTE: The whole NATION is NOW called "Israel," not just Jacoub (Israel).


The nation of Israel is called a "vine."

 Refer;
Ps 80:8 "Thou has brought a vine out of Egypt; thou hast cast out the heathen, and planted it."
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Have a nice day :blabla:

 
They say: "Be Jews or Christians, and then you will be guided." Say (to them O Muhammad): "Nay (we follow) only the religion of Abraham, Hanifan (Islamic monotheism, i.e. to worship none but Allah Alone, and he was not of the Al Mushrikeen (those who worshipped others along with Allah)."
Say (O Muslims): "We believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which had been sent down to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and to Al Asbat (the twelve sons of Jacob), and that which has been given to Moses and Jesus and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam)." So if they believe in the like of that which you believe, then they are rightly guided, but if they turn away, then they are only in opposition. So, Allah, will suffice you against them. He is the All Hearer, the All Knower. (Our Sibghah, religion is) the Sibghah (religion) of Allah (Islam) and which Sibghah (religion) can be better than Allah's. We are His worshippers. Say (O Muhammad, to the Jews and Christians): "Dispute you with us about Allah while He is our Lord and your Lord? And we are to be rewarded for our deeds and you for your deeds. We are sincere to Him in worship and obedience (i.e., we worship Him Alone and none else, and we obey His Orders)." Or say you that Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and Al Asbat (the twelve sons of Jacob) were Jews or Christians? Say: "Do you know better or does Allah know better....that they all were Muslims? And who is more unjust than he who conceals the testimony (to believe in the Prophet Muhammad, when he comes written in their books) he has from Allah? Allah is not unaware of what you do."( 2:130-140 Qur'an)

In another surah Almighty Allah declared: "O People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Why do you dispute about Abraham, while the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed till after him? Have you then no sense? Verily, you are those who have disputed about that of which you have no knowledge. Why do then dispute concerning that which you have no knowledge? It is Allah Who knows, and you know not. Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim Hanifan (Islamic Monotheism), to worship none but Allah Alone and he was not of the polytheists (he joined none in worship with Allah). Verily, among mankind who have the best claim to Abraham are those who followed him, and this Prophet (Muhammad) and those who have believed (Muslims). And Allah is the Wali (Protector and Helper) of the believers.(3:65-68 Qur'an)

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Huu ni utumbo mtupu. Jifunze kujibu mada kijana.
 
Still I don't see the word Palestine in your post, in contrast, you are destroying your own fallacies and notions of Palestine.

Jordanian Sheikh: ‘There is no "Palestine" in the Koran. Allah gave Israel to the Jews' | Palestine-Israel Conflict
 
Ukunguru Mwanakati said:
Huu ni utumbo mtupu. Jifunze kujibu mada kijana.
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dogo si utumbo ni ujinga wako hufahamu, hapo nimekuwekea ufahamu kama Bibilia zenu hazina ukweli wowote ule zinadhani Yaqoub ndio Israel wakati Qur'an inapinga hayo kabisa. Israel hajawahi kuwa Mtume wa Mungu hata siku moja aliye kuwa Mtume wa Mungu ni Yaqoub(Jacob).
 
Crazy even Jordan, Tanzania, USA did not exist in Qur'an as well, and show me where is Israel exist as a notion from Qur'an or Bible. F.Y.I; According to the Qur'an Israel is not Jacoub, Allah always referred to Jacob as Yacoub son of Isaac, and Isaac is son of Abraham, if you go further more you'll read in the Qur'an that Abraham is descendant of Noah but Israel is not.

So Isaac, Jacoub, Mosses, Zackaria , John and Jesus should be called sons of Abraham not sons of Israel.

The verses that talks about Israel and Jacoub in the Qur'an are very clear.

Israel mentioned in the Qur'an twice as name (without Children)
Qur'an 3:93: "All food was lawful to the Children of Israel except what Israel had made unlawful to himself before the Torah was revealed. Say, [O Muhammad], "So bring the Torah and recite it, if you should be truthful.""

Qur'an 19:58; "Those were the ones upon whom Allah bestowed favour from among the prophets of the descendants of Adam and of those We carried [in the ship] with Noah, and of the descendants of Abraham and Israel, and of those whom We guided and chose. When the verses of the Most Merciful were recited to them, they fell in prostration and weeping."

If you look at both Chapters (Surah 3 and 19) that mentioned the name Israel as singular also mentioned the name Jacoub (Yacoub) as singular and combined with Ibrahim and Isaac as follow:

Qur'an 3:84; "Say, "We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him."

In this verse (and other verses) Allah mentioned Jacoub (Yacoub) combined with Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacoub, the descendants, Mosses and Jesus.

Jacoub mentioned in the Qur'an 16 times in the following verses:

- Qur'an 2:132
- Qur'an 2:133
- Qur'an 2:136
- Qur'an 2:140
- Qur'an 3:84
- Qur'an 4:163
- Qur'an 6:84
- Qur'an 11:71
- Qur'an 12:6
- Qur'an 12:38
- Qur'an 12:68
- Qur'an 19:6
- Qur'an 19:49
- Qur'an 21:72
- Qur'an 29:27
- Qur'an 38:45

There is no single verse in the Qur'an indicate that Israel is Jacoub or being Israel son of Isaac. Israel is not even a prophet of Allah.
 
Adiosamigo said:
Ishmael dogo Ishmael wacha kuongea kama mtu hana akili, we unajua mana ya Bani Israel? Au unajisema tu, kwanini Mwenyezi Mungu kawataja Wayahudi na Bani Israel? Kina nani ni Wayahudi na kina nani ni Bani Israel?
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Bogus reply and bunch of malarkey
 
Ishmael said:
Bogus reply and bunch of malarkey
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dogo Ishmael, today's lesson; The son of Adam named Israel (Cain) has committed this crime God already speaks of the children of Israel gave this law, it is not logical that Israel is Jacoub's coming to world several centuries after the crime, and God will not wait more to prohibit century humanity has killed and he will not talk about son of Israel before their existence for centuries, the only logical answer is that Israel is the son of Adam committed the first murder by killing his brother..
This is very logical, God's law that prohibits the crime was given just after the son of Adam had committed for the first time, and the son is named "Israel" in the Qur'an as God not going to either give a law to the children of Israel before their existence several centuries, is clear in the Qur'an 5:32 that this law specifically targets children of Israel.

"Israel" was the first criminal in history and was not a prophet, other evidence in the Qur'an show that "Israel" is not a prophet so it may not be the same person as Jacoub because it was indeed a Prophet, God says in Qur'an 3:93:
"All food was lawful to the Children of Israel except that which Israel had forbidden to himself, then how can a Prophet prohibit what God did not forbid 'a Prophet like Jacoub can not do that, Israel simply was not a prophet and not him Jacoub. Here is the verse in question: 3:93 All food was lawful to the Children of Israel except that which Israel had forbidden to himself, before the Taurat was revealed. Tell [them], "Bring the Torah and read it, if what you say is true!"

Israel is the descendant of another son of Adam named Israel, so it do not go down either of Sam son of Noah or Ibrahim or Jacoub. Siku zote nakuliza we unawajua Bani Israel ni watu gani? Umeshindwa nijibu.

The genetic tree of Prophets the Jewish books that the Bible must be answered is, he changed to say that all the Prophets were the children of Israel and then to say that people prefer and are elected God, there are falsifying history and put everyone in error, but God in the Qur'an exposes and corrects the errors in the history of the Prophets. Qur'an 17:3 [O you], the descendants of those whom We carried in the Ark with Noah. This really was a grateful servant.
Qur'an 17:4 We decreed for the Children of Israel (and announced) in the book: "Twice you sow corruption on earth and you will violate an excessive way."
Israel is the son of Adam and the children of Israel did exist since that time. For not even the truth in the Jews and the Bible books is that Noah only took his family on the ship, the Qur'an also corrected this falsification.
Qur'an 2:133 Were you present when death came to Jacob, when he said to his son: "What will you worship after me?" - They said, "We will worship your God and the God of your fathers, Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac, One God and that we are Muslims."

The Bible also is not sure Jacuob is Israel.

For Christians like Jews is Israel and Jacoub are the same person, here's the Bible verse which states that:
Genesis 32.28;He said, Thy name shall no longer be Jacob, but thou shalt be called Israel, because you have struggled with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Here see that God after his fight with Jacoub he change his name to becomes Israel. So Jacoub = Israel.

But the problem is that the Bible contradicts itself with itself: Here is other verse of the Bible that say otherwise:

Isaiah 9:7;The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.

Here the verse speaks of two different person Jacoub is not Israel:A S wink:

Conclusion: The children of Israel are not the people prefer God, most of the prophets was not their line, there was more Arab than Jewish prophets in history, all the prophets were Muslims, Joseph, David Solomon, Mosses, Jesus and Muhammad, are not the children of Israel, and are Muslims as the Qur'an clearly states and Israel is not Jacoub.
 
Wakristo katafuteni hadith nyingine za uwongo, mana ya Israel si nchi, ni katika watoto wa Adam na Bani Israel mana yake ni wajukuu wa Kabili(Cain). Israel na Bani Israel walikuwa wapo kabla ya Prophet Jacoub. Mayahudi na wakristo punguzeni uwongo:A S wink:
 
Yesu alijua kusoma alipoingia akafunua kitabu akasoma eneo lililoandikwa Leo maandiko matakatifu yametimia,au hukupaona hapo
 
Frivolous claims
 
kwenda21 said:
Yesu alijua kusoma alipoingia akafunua kitabu akasoma eneo lililoandikwa Leo maandiko matakatifu yametimia,au hukupaona hapo
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Kuna mtu anajua kusoma bila kwenda shule? Huoni kama huyo si yeye anaye soma ni Malaika wa Mungu wanamsaidia, sa ajabu iko wapi kama Mtume Muhammad hakusoma? Aliweza vipi kuja na Qur'an amabyo wewe na wajukuu zako na ma babu zako hamtaweza kuiandika, hamta mtumie uchawi:A S wink:
 
Ishmael said:
Frivolous claims
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You should ask yourself every day; Why these killers of Prophets, have never accepted the Prophets. One of the reasons is because these Prophets were not Jewish, they still expected the Jewish prophets their descendants :A S wink:
 
Adiosamigo said:
You should ask yourself every day; Why these killers of Prophets, have never accepted the Prophets. One of the reasons is because these Prophets were not Jewish, they still expected the Jewish prophets their descendants :A S wink:
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Out of context.
 
Ishmael said:
Out of context.
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Hahaha lets take a look at Cain and his children throughout your scriptures. The children of Cain are simply called "Ken-ites" just as the children of Israel are called:A S wink:


The Bible itself identifies the Jews as the seed of Cain thereby identfying Satan as their father. (John 8:44)

Matthew 23:33‑35; Jesus said to the Jews "You serpents, you generation (race) of vipers, how can you escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore behold I send you a prophet, wise men and scribes and some of them you shall kill and crucify and some of them yuo shall scourge in your synagogues and persecute them from city to city that upon you may come all the righteous blood that has ever been shed upon the earth from the blood of righteous Abel" Here Jesus is saying to the Jews that they are guilty of the murder of Abel. Jesus could not have said this unless the Jews were/are the descendants of Cain. Jesus goes on to say: "Unto the blood of Zacharias, son of Brachias who you slew between the temple and the alter." It's very plan, and it's in your Bible.
 
I can see the Quran is not of help to you at all. Do you see why you need to believe in the Bible? Quran is weak and not the word of God.
 
Ishmael said:
I can see the Quran is not of help to you at all. Do you see why you need to believe in the Bible? Quran is weak and not the word of God.
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dogo, The Qur'an remains a book of inimitable quality, not only from a linguistic, but also from and intellectual, point of view. BTW; Qur'an has proposed a very simple challenge to those who oppose it. Qur'an 17:88; Were all mankind to come together and wish to produce the like of the Qur'an, they would never succeed, however much they aided each other".
 
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