Astronomers detect 'monster star'

The fact that the star is some 165,000 light years away combined with the fact that the star is a giant (the bigger a star is the shorter it's lifespan, on average) points to the large possibility that the star may not even be there now. If one was to extinguish the sun we wouldn't know for another 8 minutes, if one was to extinguish this star we wouldn't know for another 165,000 years. Then how do we know that it is there? We can't, the best we can do is know that it was there 165,000 years ago.

Indeed Einstein's relativity says it is all relative, there is no one "now". Some scientists are of the theory that this star couldn't have formed independently and it is actually a result of the merging of two stars.

Even if you take 10% of the distance to this star in terms of light years, and say that it extinguished 16,500 years ago, all the history of the world wouldn't have been there, the Egyptians, Babylonians, Chaldeans, etc were not there yet, at least not as civilizations, this was pretty much pre history. And that is just 10% of the figure.

To put the 165,000 light years in perspective, it takes light 8 minutes to travel from the sun to the earth (93 million miles), cross multiply 8 minutes gives 93 million miles, how many miles will 165,000 years give? Ridiculously large, that is why they use light years.

Dunia sio changa, mpaka sasa dunia in umri wa miaka bilioni ~4.5.
Nyota yetu ina miaka bilioni~4.57. Ukweli wa mwisho wa dunia wenye imani mungu ndio ajuae. kwa upande wa sayansi dunia yategemewa kuwepo kwa miaka billiioni 4 mingine huko mbele pamoja na jua (hapa simaanishi viumbe hai nao wataendelea kuwepo ama la...)

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That 2012 business is some ancient mythology hogwash, up there with judgement day, not scientific at all, not one iota of respectable empirical proof.

I would like to challenge anyone with some solid scientific research supporting an extinction level event in 2012.

And no, Mayan mythologies and the book of Daniel and the psychedellic hallucinations of Revelations do not qualify as science.

Kiranga na Jen,

Hivi hizo theories za Aztec kuna watu wanazichukulia seriously? Yes I know Aztec had a civilization, na kwa dunia ya kale myths was part and parcel of life, sasa kusema walikuwa na wameadvance kuliko watu wa kizazi hiki nadhani ni overexaggaration.

Nakumbuka mojawapo ya tamaduni zao ilikuwa ni human sacrifices, which obviously is first degree savagery.

Personally sometimes huwa nashawishika kuamini kuwa hizi half truths za ancient civilizations huenda zinalikishwa na some kind of dark forces. Kuna habari niliona kuhusu kabila moja la West Afrika (jina silikumbuki) walikuwa wakiiabudu nyota fulani(jina silikumbuki) ambayo ina muda maalum wa kuonekana. Hii nyota baadaye ilikuja kuthibitishwa na wachunguzi wa anga na wakabaki vinywa wazi kwamba how these people from primitive tribe knew about this star.

Abdulhalim said:

Kiranga na Jen,

Hivi hizo theories za Aztec kuna watu wanazichukulia seriously? Yes I know Aztec had a civilization, na kwa dunia ya kale myths was part and parcel of life, sasa kusema walikuwa na wameadvance kuliko watu wa kizazi hiki nadhani ni overexaggaration.

Nakumbuka mojawapo ya tamaduni zao ilikuwa ni human sacrifices, which obviously is first degree savagery.

Personally sometimes huwa nashawishika kuamini kuwa hizi half truths za ancient civilizations huenda zinalikishwa na some kind of dark forces. Kuna habari niliona kuhusu kabila moja la West Afrika (jina silikumbuki) walikuwa wakiiabudu nyota fulani(jina silikumbuki) ambayo ina muda maalum wa kuonekana. Hii nyota baadaye ilikuja kuthibitishwa na wachunguzi wa anga na wakabaki vinywa wazi kwamba how these people from primitive tribe knew about this star.

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Mkuu Abdul
kuna imani ama watu wanajaribu kutafuta uhusiano wa jamii zilizoendelea za kale (Wamisri, peru, mali na hata Hitler) na watu kutoka sayari zingine (ET), na maswali makubwa yanakuja kwenye technologia mabayo hao jamaa walikuwa nayo na ambayo mpaka sasa inaonekana kuwa ni kitu kigumu kufanyika hata kwa technologia tuliyonayo, pili kuna hili la uelewa wa mambo ya anga (Nyota, mwezi nk), ambalo hizo society zilikuwa na uelewa mkubwa ambao sasa ndio baadhi unathibitishwa na wanasayansi,

Ukiangalia Mapiramids, ya Misri, Nasci Lines, Crop Cicle, Peru Sphares, ni vitu ambavyo vinasadikika vilikuwa ni alama ama kwa hao ET walipokuwa wakishuka kutoka sayari zingine, hizo nilizozitaja ni features ambazo mpaka leo watu wanajiuliza ni utaalamu gani ulitumika kuzitengeneza hizo?

actually story ni ndefu hizi lakini huo pia ndio ulikuwa mwanzo wa kuamini kuwa Uwezo (Wa Kimungu) unatoka juu kwa sababu hao ET walikuwa wanakuja na kufanya vitu ambavyo watu wa kawaida walikuwa hawawezi kuvifanya, na ndio hao waliowapa mwanga mkuu wa mambo ya anga,

source: ni web mbalimbali ambazo nimekuwa nikizipitia

Vangi said:

Hawa jamaa wanakoelekea si kuzuri. Siku si nyingi watagundua makao ya Mungu yaliko. Manake kama wamegundua hilo sayari yenye ukubwa kuliko jua na yenye mwanga mkali kuliko jua basi si ajabu hilo ndo jua linalomlika mbinguni.who knows bwana!!!

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Vangi acha kufuru. Sema hii ni dalili kwamba dunia inaweza kumalizika wakati wowote kwa mfano kama sayari hii yeneye mwanga mkali kuliko jua ikiikarbia Dunia.
fanya yote lakini muheshimu na kumshukuru Mungu.

mujusi said:

Vangi acha kufuru. Sema hii ni dalili kwamba dunia inaweza kumalizika wakati wowote kwa mfano kama sayari hii yeneye mwanga mkali kuliko jua ikiikarbia Dunia.
fanya yote lakini muheshimu na kumshukuru Mungu.

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Get your facts right.

Sayari haitoi mwanga, na hakuna sayari iliyosemwa ina mwanga mkali kuliko jua "letu" hapo. Kinachoongelewa hapa ni nyota, si sayari. Nyota zote ni majua, na jua letu ni nyota.Tofauti inayotufanya tuone nyota ziwe ndogo na jua letu kuwa nyota kubwa ni umbali, jua lipo 8 light seconds away, wakati the closest star system is some 4.36 light years away.

Hizo habari nyingine za kwamba ET walishuka na crop circles and what not ni hogwash straight out of a book I read many years ago while I was in form one (at the expense of the official curriculum) "Chariots of The Gods" by Eric Von Daniken, there is good money in peddling these stories.



The PDF is attached

There are some serious staff being discussed here, Big up to u all

For those interested in the probability of intelligent life outside the earth (at least in The Milky Way Galaxy) Frank Drake postulated an interesting method of guesstimating the number of intelligent civilizations out there, intelligence being defined as the ability to use radio signals.

There is an argument to be made, that from the probabilistic angle there is probably some form of intelligent lifeform out there, but most people tackling this question are stuck on a carbon based lifeform whose life evolves from some sort of vitamins, some even entertain the hubristic naivete of a bipedal man like creature. I am not past thinking that there ought to be something so different from life out there that it is going to be as different from life as non-life is different from life, maybe something beyond even the realm of hyperlife.This line of speculation would make for a very interesting Science Fiction plot.

See more about Drake' equation from the wiki Drake equation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or glimpse it's essence below, excerpts from the same wiki.


The Drake equation (sometimes called the Green Bank equation or the Green Bank Formula) is an equation used to estimate the potential number of extraterrestrial civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy. It is used in the fields of exobiology and the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI). The equation was devised by Frank Drake in 1961.

he Drake equation states that:



where:
N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which communication might be possible;
and
R* = the average rate of star formation per year in our galaxy
fp = the fraction of those stars that have planets
ne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
fℓ = the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop life at some point
fi = the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop intelligent life
fc = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space
L = the length of time such civilizations release detectable signals into space.[3]
[edit]Alternative expression
The number of stars in the galaxy now, N*, is related to the star formation rate R* by

where Tg = the age of the galaxy. Assuming for simplicity that R* is constant, then and the Drake equation can be rewritten into an alternate form phrased in terms of the more easily observable value, N*.[4]

Alternative expression
The number of stars in the galaxy now, N*, is related to the star formation rate R* by



where Tg = the age of the galaxy. Assuming for simplicity that R* is constant, then and the Drake equation can be rewritten into an alternate form phrased in terms of the more easily observable value, N*.[4]



R factor
One can question why the number of civilizations should be proportional to the star formation rate, though this makes technical sense. (The product of all the terms except L tells how many new communicating civilizations are born each year. Then you multiply by the lifetime to get the expected number. For example, if an average of 0.01 new civilizations are born each year, and they each last 500 years on the average, then on the average 5 will exist at any time.) The original Drake Equation can be extended to a more realistic model, where the equation uses not the number of stars that are forming now, but those that were forming several billion years ago. The alternate formulation, in terms of the number of stars in the galaxy, is easier to explain and understand, but implicitly assumes the star formation rate is constant over the life of the galaxy.

Kiranga,

I salute you.