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Prof Haroub Othman na Shivji ni wachochezi?

Discussion in 'Great Thinkers' started by Mchambuzi, Dec 22, 2011.

  1. Mchambuzi

    Mchambuzi JF-Expert Member

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    Ten years ago, one of our renowned intellectuals, Professor Issa G. Shivji, published a chapter titled "Critical Elements of a New Democratic Consensus in Africa (pp.25-38). It was featured in a book by the late Professor Haroub Othman (ed.), and the book was titled: "Reflections on Leadership in Africa: 40 years of independence. In this Book, Professor Issa Shivji reproduces, a speech that was delivered by the late father of the nation – Mwalimu Julius K. Nyerere (1987):

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    ["It is not that peace has come by itself. The source of peace in Tanzania is not that the Arusha Declaration has done away with poverty even a little bit. Isn't there this poverty we are still living with? This poverty is right here with us. It is not the same economy we are grappling with? The fact is not that the Arusha Declaration has banished poverty even by an iota – nor did it promise to do so. The Arusha Declaration offered hope. A promise of Justice, hopes to the many, indeed the majority of Tanzanians continue to live this hope. So long as there is this hope, you will continue to have peace. Here in Tanzania we have poverty but no ‘social cancer'. It is possible it has just begun. But otherwise we don't have a social cancer. There isn't a Volcano in the making, that one day it is bound to erupt. We have not yet reached that stage because the people still have hopes based on the stand taken by the Arusha Declaration. It did not do away with poverty but it has given you all in this hall, capitalists and socialists alike, an opportunity to build a country which holds out a future of hopes to the many.

    To be sure, you few Waswahili, do you really expect to rule Tanzanians through coercion, When there is no hope, and then expect that they will sit quiet in peace? Peace is born of hope, when hope is gone, there will be social upheavals. I'd be surprised if these Tanzanians refuse to Rebel, why?

    When the majority don't have any hope you are building a volcano. It is bound to erupt one day. Unless these people are fools. Many in these countries are fools, to accept being ruled just like that. To be oppressed just like that when they have the force in numbers, they are fools. So Tanzanians would be fools, ******, if they continued to accept to be oppressed by minority in their own country. Why?

    Therefore we cannot say that we have now reached a stage when we can forget the Arusha Declaration. Don't fool yourselves. This would be like that fool who uses a ladder to climb and when he is up there kicks it away. Alright, you are up there, you have kicked away the ladder, right, so stay there because we will cut the branch. You are up there, we are down here and you have kicked away the ladder. This branch is high up, we will cut it. Your fall will be no ordinary fall either.

    Let me say no more. It is sufficient to say we should accept our principles, we should continue with our principles of building peace and peace itself. Tanzanians should continue to have faith in the party, in the government and in you in positions. Tanzanians should see you as part of them not their enemies. They should trust the party, the government and you who have opportunities for there is no country where everyone is equal. These fingers of mine are not equal, and in that sense there is no such equality anywhere."]

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    JULIUS KAMBARAGE NYERERE, 1987
     
  2. Black Rose

    Black Rose JF-Expert Member

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    r.i.p Prof.Haroub Othman!
     
  3. PakaJimmy

    PakaJimmy JF-Expert Member

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    We can not rebel coz:
    1. We Fear gunshots and tear-gas bombs!...
    2. If i rebel, will not get my share of T-shirt during election campaigns!
     
  4. Mchambuzi

    Mchambuzi JF-Expert Member

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    In the original post above, the censored word that Mwalimu Nyerere gave his tongue to, was "******".
     
  5. Mchambuzi

    Mchambuzi JF-Expert Member

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    OK, ngoja nihamie kwenye kamusi. Neno ni:
    • Wapumbavu
    • Majuha
    • Wapuuzi
    • Mazuzu
     
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    IPECACUANHA JF-Expert Member

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    Arusha Declaration was the compas towards a "promised" land. In it's absence there is no hope.
     
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    wabongo kwa kupenda porojo. Hapa hawatakuja.

    Hapa kuna jambo la ziada kuhusu Mwalimu. Yeye kwa kuwa kwake kiongozi bora alikuwa haogopi kuwajenga wananchi wake kwenye mazingira ya kujiandaa kuja kuasi watakapokuja watu kama hawa tulio nao sasa. Hapa pia ndugu yangu Mchambuzi unazungumzia Legacy ya Mwalimu.

    Mwalimu ni kitabu kisichoisha hamu, na kwa wale wasiompenda wajue kwamba tutaendelea kumfanyia rejea mpaka hapo Kiyama kitakapotukutia. Mwalimu alikuwa anajua ni kwa nini watu wanaasi, mara zote ulipokuwa unatokea uasi alijaribu ama kuelezea uasi huo au kujadiliana na waasi kuhusu vyanzo vya uasi wao.
     
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    I have always said this to my friends, we have peace because our life is difficult but very much possible. People dont have the means to buy Range Rovers and build mansions at Mbezi but they always find means to feed themselves and a place to sleep albeit at times on pavements but Swahilis dont really care, to them the most important thing is "Mkono uende kinywani".

    You'll see 'wapiga debe' at bus stations collecting money just for shouting directions that are already written on the buses, they get enough money to buy drugs and food, and when they are 'high', what else do they need?? Why should someone of that kind rebel?? Even some of us who dont work but arent involved in "kupiga debe", we always find ways to keep us alive(and in the process keep our hopes alive). One would go to a brother/sister to BEG and as per our cultures who can say no to ones kins?? Some even go there just to have supper and then find somewhere to sleep at night. Life always goes on in this country and that's what keep the peace.

    Come times when life will become impossible, then we'll see people rebelling. The riots in Mbeya served as a very good example, when people have nothing but HOPE IN THEIR PETTY businesses and you try to take that away from them... that's what you get, REBELLION, and am afraid that people in Mbeya have set a 'good' precedent to all petty trader in the country that if you are strong enough, no one is going to take your hope away
     
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    Jasusi JF-Expert Member

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    Mchambuzi,
    I think Mwalimu ndiye "mchochezi." He is calling us to action when a few have hijacked our hopes for a better tomorrow so they can enrich themselves and their kin. That is why today Mwalimu is anathema inside CCM. That is why today we see all these rumblings about Mwalimu not being our founding father, about Mwalimu leaving us in poverty and about Mwalimu's poor leadership.etc.etc.
     
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    Hilo neno "wachochezi" linatumiwa na totalitarian regimes, mtoa maada anaonekana kutetea udikteta waziwazi.
     
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    Mchambuzi JF-Expert Member

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    And mind you, that speech was printed kwenye gazeti la Serikali mwaka 1987;
     
  12. Mchambuzi

    Mchambuzi JF-Expert Member

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    Kiranga,
    haujaelewa dhumuni la mada yangu; Jasusi na wengine wamenisoma vizuri; Jasusi hapo juu has inferred mtazamo wangu mia kwa mia;
     
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    Jasusi JF-Expert Member

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    Kiranga,
    Kuna baadhi walimwona Martin Luther King Jr. kuwa mchochezi simply because he was preaching against the status quo.
    Do you mean to tell me that USA was a totalitarian regime?
     
  14. Mchambuzi

    Mchambuzi JF-Expert Member

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    Hotuba hii haijawahi chapishwa tena since 1987, wala tolewa kwenye TV au Radio, na sababu tunazijua wazi; kwani kama Mwalimu angekuwa failure kweli na hastahili kuitwa BABA WA TAIFA, hotuba hii ingekuwa inaelea kote kwenye media; Ni matumaini yangu ipo siku itachukuliwa na kuchapishwa kwenye magazeti ili wananchi wengi zaidi wapate kumwelewa vizuri zaidi BABA WA TAIFA, Mwalimu Julius Kambaraga Nyerere; Kwa wale wenye interest ya kupata the original copy as it appeared kwenye Gazeti la Serikali la Mwaka 1987, nakala ya gazeti hilo ipo;
     
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    Kwa hiyo Tanzania ni Totalitarian Regime?

    Manake hilo neno linatumika sana na viongozi wa CCM wakiwa-address CDM kwa kila movement wanayofanya ktk kuhakikisha wananchi wanajua haki zao. Kwa mfano maandamano na mikutano ya hadhara
     
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    Uwezo Tunao JF-Expert Member

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    Hapo kwenye RED, ndugu you have made my day in a big way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     
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    JokaKuu Platinum Member

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    Mchambuzi, MtamaMchungu, Kigarama,..

    ..tukiendelea kwa mtindo huu sidhani kama miaka 10 ijayo Tanzania as we know it itakuwepo.

    ..Urbanization without industrialization will blow this country into pieces.

    ..kwa mtizamo wangu, taifa halijajiandaa kuipokea na kuitumia work force inayotokana na wahitimu wa vyuo vyetu vikuu, na wale wa sekondari za kata.

    ..pamoja na kwamba nchi hii ina miaka 50 toka tupate uhuru, ukiangalia kwa makini kuna miaka 25 ambayo tumeipoteza kwa watawala kufanya mambo yasiyo na maana kwa taifa hili.
     
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    Kuna baadhi ya hotuba za Mwl Nyerere ni chungu kumeza hasa kwa viongozi tulionao sasa! Tunashukuru Mungu JF inasaidia sana kuweka kumbukumbu sawa kuliko hata taasisi ya Mwl Nyerere ambayo ni sawa na mfu! Kuna hata wanasiasa vijana wasiomjua vizuri Mwl wala kumsoma vizuri mawazo yake wanajiona vichwa kuliko JKN tena kwa tuvioja tulivyojaa usasa usiojua misingi iliwekwaje nchi hii.Asante kwa kuendelea kuweka kumbukumbu sawa hasa kwa vijana ambao wakiambiwa zamani hata sukari tulipanga foleni chuki inaanzia hapo!! We need to dig deeper jamani kabla hamjaanza kushusha milawama ya kipuuzi!
     
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    Jokakuu,

    I second you. Na inakuwaje viongozi wetu always huwa wanakuwa reactive to the situation badala ya kuwa pro-active? Ina maana takwimu zinazotolewa miaka yooooote, zilikuwa hazionyeshi kwamba soko huria after Ujamaa limepelekea growth of informal sector, massive lay offs - high unemployment rates kwani ajira kwa wingi nje ya kilimo hakuna tena, na yote hii accompanied by high population growth rates, with youths being the dominant segment, rapid urbanization due to wakulima kukimbia kilimo kwani hakilipi, viongozi walikuwa wapi - kwanini since the inception of soko huria in the late 1980s, hawakuwa pro active, na sasa wanakuwa reactive - kwamba Unemployment among youths is a timing bomb? Who didnt know this?
     
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    Mkandara Verified User

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    Tik...Tak...Tik...Tak...Wasije sema hukuwaonya!...
     
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