Omar Nundu is purposely misleading - on Wikileaks Airbus revelations

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Of course I couldn't keep up with such witless arguments. Your pseudonym reflects your intelligence, MGUMU SANA KUELEWA NA MWEPESI SANA KUSAHAU. Ndio maana umeshindwa kuelewa nini message ya Mwanakijiji kwenye hii thread, umeshindwa kuelewa ni maana halisi na majukumu ya Wikileaks, unapata shida sana kuona kwamba source ya hizo corruption allegations ni US Diplomatic cables na sio Wikileaks, na unasahau haraka sana pale unapowaponda "wazungu" wa Wikileaks (kwamba tunasikiliza kila wanachosema wazungu) lakini dakika moja baadae unawasifia "wazungu" wengine wa Urusi kuwa ni vichwa kwa sababu tu wanakidhi kile unachotaka wewe kusikia bila kufanya utafiti wa kile wakisemacho kama kina ukweli wowote. Hizo ndio sababu zilizonifanya niconclude kwamba argument kati yangu na wewe haitafika kokote kwa sababu nitalazimika kurudia rudia sana zaidi ya mara mia ili UBONGO WAKO MGUMU upate kuelewa, bahati mbaya sana sina muda huo wa kupoteza. However, I wish you luck in your attempt to become a great thinker.

Peasant kweli unazeeka ninashindwa kupata clue nini hasa una argue, kwa mfano unasema "source ya hizo corruption allegations ni US Diplomatic cables na sio Wikileaks" Tunachojaribu kuweka wazi ni kua wikileaks wanadai kua wanatangaza habari za siri. Hii kwanza tunaipokea kwa mashaka kwa kua hatuna uhakika kua kweli wanafanya hivyo. Point no 2 Tunataka credibility ya wikileaks kwa sababu wao ndio wanaodai kuzipata habari na kuzileta hili nalo pia lina mashaka kua ni kweli kwanini wao tu ndio wapate hizo habari na singiweneo. Sasa peasant ukiletewa habari na mtu huna umuhimu wa kujua kama huyo mtu ni muongo au mkweli? sidhani kua hii imekaa sawa.

Sehemu nyingine unadai kua mimi ninapata tabu kuelewa na ninasahau haraka "unapata shida sana kuonna unasahau haraka sana pale unapowaponda "wazungu" wa Wikileaks (kwamba tunasikiliza kila wanachosema wazungu) lakini dakika moja baadae unawasifia "wazungu" wengine wa Urusi kuwa ni vichwa"

Hii ni kutaka kukudhihirishia kua wazungu ni watu wa maslahi ndio maana nimeleta wazungu kwa wazungu ili nikuweke kwenye mtego uchague kati ya hau wazungu wawili nani sasa mkweli. Sikufanya hivyo kwa ajili ya kusahau

Hapa unanichekesha tena eti unanihimiza kufanya utafiti wakati wewe umepokea habari za wikileaks kichwakichwa, hebu angalia maneno yako "kwa sababu tu wanakidhi kile unachotaka wewe kusikia bila kufanya utafiti wa kile wakisemacho kama kina ukweli wowote".

Hii ya mwisho imenifurahisha sio kunichekesha kua unakubali kua mimi ninakimbilia kua great thinker lakin kwa taarifa yako mimi ni mwanfunzi mdogo tu ispokua mambo unayobishana hata mimi mwanafunzi wa secondary ninaweza kuyafahamu haraka kuliko wewe great thinker.

Sasa ninachokuomba kua makini sana unapojadili mambo na vilevile usieleze vitu vya ajabu au habari yoyote unayoiona bila kua na reliable sources. Hadi leo hakuna mtu yoyote aliepandishwa kizimbani kwa sababu ya habari za wikileakes. Kwa kumbukumbu zaid rudia majibu ya Hosea alivyojibu kuhusu tuhuma za wikileakes kama bado unataka kuendelea rudi tena lakin dalili zote zinanionyesha kua utaingia mitini. bye

bahati mbaya sana sina muda huo wa kupoteza. However, I wish you luck in your attempt to become a great thinker

 

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Tut Tut Tut.....Even the DEVIL has an ADVOCATE

4th January 2011

Air Tanzania Company Limited



Wikileaks has revealed diplomatic cables complaining of favouritism and suspicion of corruption in the manner Air Tanzania Company Limited (ATCL) went about shopping for jetliners for its ageing fleet four years ago.

According to the cables, carried in the New York Times of Sunday, January 2 this year the US Embassy in Dar es Salaam fighting for Boeing then said: "As Air Tanzania shops for new airplanes for its ageing fleet, we remain troubled by separate press reports, quoting Air Tanzania leadership and most recently the Minister of Infrastructure that a decision has been made in favour of Airbus." This decision would have been made without any serious negotiations with Boeing. We have actively engaged at the highest reaches of this government, and for the moment halted the rush to Airbus and opened a window that Boeing intends to exploit."The newspaper report titled: "Diplomats Help Push Sales of Jetliners on the Global Market. Tanzania and the Fight to Stop Airbus Sale," said Boeing executives, at times, were pressed by foreign government officials and airline executives to hire "agents" or other intermediaries to help deliver a sale.

According to the diplomatic notes, Air Tanzania seemed to be seriously evaluating the leasing and sale options offered by Boeing, "but we do not believe we are out of the woods, in view of early efforts to pressure Boeing to hire an "agent," and subsequent rumours that China is tying aid to purchase of Airbuses in order to give business to the joint manufacturing facility being built in China," the US embassy said.
It said in June 2007, Boeing had submitted a request for advocacy through the Department of Commerce's International Trade Administration, and Ambassador Retzer, the Deputy Chief of Mission (DCM) and Economic Counsellor (EconCouns) met with Rob Faye, Regional Director of Sales for Boeing Commercial Airplanes, on several occasions.It said Boeing's early dealings with top officials of the airline beginning in June suggested (to Post) that the company's fear of outside influence or corruption might be legitimate.
The report said in subsequent meetings with Faye, the DCM raised the issue of Air Tanzania's dealings with Boeing and Airbus in conversations with a close advisor to President Jakaya Kikwete.

According to the report the DCM specifically noted Air Tanzania Managing Director and CEO, David Mattaka's unusual "suggestion" that Faye should contact a wealthy South Asian hotelier, who subsequently suggested to Faye that he would need his services to open the right doors in government. Faye flatly refused, responding that Boeing does not use "agents" in Tanzania or elsewhere.The report released as comment that "Agents" and steep "commissions" have been at the heart of several corruption scandals here (Tanzania), including a BAE radar deal in which the GOT paid a 31 percent commission to a Tanzanian agent, much of which ended up in Swiss bank accounts, according to a UK Parliamentary investigation. Despite the fact that the UK shared this evidence with Tanzania's corruption board, no evident action has been taken.The presidential advisor later got back to the DCM, telling him that President Kikwete was "incensed" upon learning that senior Air Tanzania officials might be intending to profit personally from the deal.

The report said Ambassador Green raised MCC (Millenium Challenge Corporation) Compact, the importance of transparency to the investment climate, and a level playing field for Boeing in his presentation of credentials to President Kikwete on September 12.
Earlier the DCM had called on the Infrastructure Minister and spoken with a close advisor to the President underscoring the same points. "We will continue to press hard not only on behalf of Boeing, but the importance of transparency and a level playing field to the positive investment climate Kikwete is working to create," said the report.

It said further that on August 9, Boeing's Faye met with Maua Daftari, Deputy Minister of Infrastructure, and Dr. Bartholomew Rufunjo, Director of Transport and communications in the Ministry of Infrastructure (the Ministry that makes all financial decisions regarding Air Tanzania). Faye reported his meetings with both Daftari and Rufunjo were promising.Both officials mentioned more than once the importance of a fair and level acquisition process for Air Tanzania's development. David Mattaka, CEO of Air Tanzania, went out of his way to tell Faye on August 10 that Air Tanzania did not use agents.

Mattaka repeated this statement during a meeting between Faye and the Air Tanzania board of directors. Faye reported that it was apparent that there had been some communication with the Ministry, presumably from State House, to ensure there would be no "go-betweens" in Air Tanzania's dealings with Boeing. On the sidelines, Mattaka reportedly mentioned to Faye that he thought the pressure was originating with the US Embassy.It said Ambassador Retzer forcefully raised the issue of combating corruption in his last public speech before leaving on August 31.On September 2, forty-eight hours after Retzer departed the country, the Tanzanian press reported for the second time that Air Tanzania was in the process of procuring eight Airbus planes, and extensively quoted Tanzanian Minister of Infrastructure, Andrew Chenge.

"We did not view the timing of the second announcement -- on the heels of Retzer's departure and before Ambassador Green had arrived and been credentialed -- as a coincidence," said the cable.The report said on September 7, the DCM and EconOff met with Minister Chenge, raising President Kikwete's trip to the United States and his plan to take a large business delegation. Kikwete would be marketing Tanzania as a prime location to trade and invest. It was important, therefore, that a major US corporation like Boeing compete on a level playing field with Airbus, so its message to the US business community would echo Kikwete's message. The DCM said Boeing and the Embassy had been confused by recent press reports regarding Air Tanzania's acquisition of new aircraft, and asked Chenge to clarify the status of negotiations.
Chenge said contrary to his purported statements to the Tanzanian press, no final decision had been made on whether Air Tanzania would acquire Airbus or Boeing airplanes.

However, the issue of financing was also a primary concern due to a lack of government funding for the new aircraft. He stated that he could say "with certainty" that no decision has been made, but his Ministry was "very cautious on how to proceed because (they) don't have the money." He said he understood Boeing could help open doors to financing possibilities, but "certain deadlines" needed to be met.
The report said the DCM stressed that regardless of the outcome, the Embassy wanted to see that Air Tanzania is engaged in fair and transparent negotiations. He pointed out that Tanzania would benefit from giving Boeing the chance to underbid Airbus.
The DCM ended the meeting by mentioning the upcoming vote on the Millennium Challenge Corporation (MCC) Compact for Tanzania, and the importance of transparency to sustaining any Compact that eventually would be signed. On the way out, Chenge's staffer reportedly told the DCM that he was aware that Chenge had "misspoken" and been "misquoted" in the press, and that his office had already received several calls for clarification.

Minister for Transportation Omar Nundu told this paper yesterday that he was not aware of the report."I am not aware of the reports. I do not know," said Nundu.This paper called Andrew Chenge for the comment but his phone could not be received. Mattaka who has since moved from ATCL was not reachable as his phone was switched off.




SOURCE: THE GUARDIAN

 

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